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Dumb Question- If Bush Could Run Again, Would You Vote For Him?
- 12-21-2005, 09:11 PM
Hear is a interesting scenario...with the recent wire-tap scandal coupled w/ the WMD "intelligence", is there a legitiamte chance that Bush will get impeached. I was watching some news program when they discussed the legality of the wire-taps w/o court approval and most said that the act was unconstitutional and illegal. I believe the guy said that Bush cited Article 2 of the Constitution as his justification for his actions, but Article 2 does NOT say anything about the executive branch having the ability to disregard the courts.
As the saying goes, "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutley."
- 12-21-2005, 09:23 PM
But, wasn't this part of the P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act? If so, there is no reason for the impeachment because all the douches in congress voted for it.
12-21-2005, 10:12 PM
12-21-2005, 10:56 PM
new type of goverment?
testing to be able to vote?
let states have more control?
anyone of them sound ok to me.
All will prob end up happening someday. prob not while we are alive but just think about when the oil runs out? how about when 50% of the nations out there have WMD and start using them? i dont think our big army and navy and air force can do jack **** about whats going on in the Congo if Canada is trying to take back Alaska for the last few drops of oil left. friendships will break, people will be armed to the teeth to keep out the family from down the street from stealing the 5 gallons of gas out of the car that they paid $4,000 for. all those movies with people flying around in there cars and having robots is a cute thought but when the gas runs out all hell will break loose. oh and what about the big ****ing rock that MIGHT hit earth at ANYTIME? we are all unstable and something big like one of the above will put us all at war with each other.
Look what happend when the gulf flooded!! thats a really nice wet dream in compairison to a space rock taking out half the contry. they get a lot of rain and the cops quit, people start killing, looting, and rapping. if **** goes down there will be a river of blood flowing all over the land.
12-21-2005, 11:38 PM
I still maintain that what happened in New Orleans WOULD NOT happen in many other cities. That place was a ****hole run by retards who couldn't be trusted with potatoe guns. From the govenor to the mayor down to the police force who were busted stealing **** on TV. It was just one big mess there before, during, and after the flooding.
12-22-2005, 12:46 AM
Great idea.. why should poor, uneducated, illiterate people be able to vote? it's not like they're citizens too...testing to be able to vote?
12-22-2005, 12:54 AM
This actually would be great if the poor and uneducated were not the same group.Originally Posted by Jwil
12-22-2005, 12:57 AM
What does it matter? They're still casting random votes that can negatively effect those of us who took the time to learn about the initiatives and the candidates.Originally Posted by Whiskey Steve
Poor people can learn about politics too...its really NOT THAT HARD.
12-22-2005, 01:04 AM
What I am saying is that the rich tend to be educted (because they can afford to be educated) and the poor the opposite.Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00
If only the rich can vote then we will make everything work in our favor......(and i dont mean to say i would do that but we all know very well that that is what would happen.....i happened to be blessed with having slightly wealthy parents)
12-22-2005, 01:11 AM
Luckily we don't need rocket scientists to vote All we need are people who may take an hour of their week to read up on waht's going on, and you don't need to be wealthy, have a Ph.D, etc, etc, for that.
12-22-2005, 02:28 AM
It depends on who he's running against.
Against another Ultra Liberal from the Northeast? You betcha....
Against an Ultra-Liberal Carpet-Bagger currently in New York? You betcha
Now, since this is a wild scenario in the first place... who would I like to see?
Condie Rice (I really like her style)
Joe Lieberman (yup I admit it)
John McCain (I'm a moderate democrat myself)
12-22-2005, 02:48 AM
12-22-2005, 08:48 AM
How about John Glenn? I think he would make an excellent President!Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00
12-22-2005, 05:16 PM
12-22-2005, 08:33 PM
he was my neighboorOriginally Posted by delta314
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12-27-2005, 01:43 AM
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01-10-2006, 12:28 PM
Bush is a great president! I don't care what anybody says, he is getting the job done and nobody is perfect.
01-10-2006, 01:56 PM
I sort of agree except for two points. One, saying what you would do is pointless, you're never going to get to do it. Two, 'doing somthing' to fix one thing or another is what's generally gotten this country so screwed up. Some things I would like to see happen?Originally Posted by delta314
Destroy the Fed, get on a gold standard. Put an end to foreign military escapades that make us assloads of enemies and don't get us anything tangible in return. End all foreign aid, no more investment guarantees for US corporations. End to all welfare and wealth redistribution plans of all kinds. Completely obliterate all of the Cabinet positions and their respective beauracracies except for the DoD. Revamp the DoD so it truly is the Department of Defense and not the Department of Offense. An end to all military aid, withdraw from all foreign treaties. No entangling alliances whatsoever. Although mentioned before in a broad sense, I'd take great pleasure in dismantling the Department of Education, destroying any and all legislation giving any citizen or group of citizens preferential treatment, such as union protection laws, tax exemptions for churches, etc. Privatize all land and use the revenue to pay off any remaining debts to SS recipients, etc. Get rid of almost all environmental regulations, replace ones that aren't too misguided with non-command and control methods such as economin internalization policies. End all forms of taxation, institute one national sales tax. It makes creative economics and government book cooking a lot harder because the cost is directly reflected in people's everyday lives. NO income tax whatsoever for anyone. I would also take great pleasure is ripping the drug war machine apart piece by piece, and taking whoever the drug czar is at that particular point in time and flaying the bastard on live TV. Basically have the government coin money (while I'm at it, screw that too), hunt down pirates and true federal criminals, and maintain a decent stock of arms so we can destroy any military that is a legitimate threat to our country. Leave everything else to the people, and to the states where the people allow them the power.
Just basic ideas. Government is like a case of genital herpes. Once you've got it you're ****ed, but you can work to minimize its impact on your life. And hopefully in the future we'll find a cure.
01-10-2006, 01:56 PM
IMO, nothing is truly being done. I will never be convinced that you could have peace in that area.
I would rather see kids go to college than die in a pointless, ORCHESTRATED war. (just my opinion, please dont agrue with me...i will not debate it)
01-10-2006, 02:04 PM
I've said it before. We don't need a military presence there. Just pump the place full of everything that's forbidden by the religious zealots in that area. Give them pork and porn by the busload and watch the area remake itself into a westernized, generally peaceful place.Originally Posted by Whiskey Steve
01-10-2006, 02:07 PM
01-10-2006, 02:20 PM
hmmm. interesting idea.Originally Posted by CDB
If you have seen Syriana it does a very good job of illustrating the point i am about to make.
It does not really take a mass amount of people for the zealots to **** everything up. If we build government buildings and whatnot over there it only take ONE man or child to walk in with explosives and ruin it/make everyone to scared to work there. Their willingness to give their life for their cause is increadible. We will never make peace over there. We will only make artificial free areas with mass amounts of soldiers trying to keep them from fighting. You can't search every citizen everyday before they leave their house for bombs. There will always be suicide bombers and loyalists. Our efforts are futile. It's not communism that we are fighting so where is the threat? STAY THE **** AWAY FROM FOREIGN ENTANGLEMENTS!
(this is not a "real" war....it was planned years ago just like every other war. The death tolls where calculated, positions of power where assigned...... It also cannot be stopped.)
01-11-2006, 09:25 PM
01-11-2006, 09:45 PM
01-11-2006, 09:48 PM
no jokeOriginally Posted by hockeyguy77
(im not just a "hater" btw..... (i dont side with any party))
imo parties are one of the worst things that have ever happened to government.
dont be "loyal" to a f-n party, be loyal to what is right.
01-12-2006, 01:13 AM
believe it or not bush is not that bad of a president.... he does spend way too much money but that is another thread........ people keep putting blame on him 4 every dam thing that happens.... from people calling him a killer to rappers calling him racist..... the new orleans problem should have been delt with by the mayor and the governer off the bat... until the pres could of stepped in to help..... they were supposed to have things set up 4 if this had happened (state goverment)..... as 4 the war .... they flew 2 planes into building and killed thousands of people.... what do u want us to do stand back and give them a good talking to..... now i don't think the war is being taken care of correctly either......
as 4 mr clinton .... i would vote for a high school kid that is taking a goverment class over her........
01-12-2006, 01:36 AM
01-13-2006, 09:03 AM
Agree or disagree with the war, the country from which the majority of the 9/11 terrorists came from was Saudi Arabia, not Iraq. As far as justifying the war by using 9/11, we may as well have invaded Canada.Originally Posted by BigRagu
01-13-2006, 01:34 PM
Good ideas.Originally Posted by CDB
WTF? Here you've lost me. We hardly give any real quantifiable foreign aid to poor countries as it is. We have no problem subsidizing places like Israel though. Welfare? Just dropping millions of poor people on their asses with no increase in jobs or wages will have a positive effect on this country? As for corporate "welfare," it is unequally distributed to major companies but tax incentives and other incentives have been shown to improve a business' chance of survival. The more businesses that can thrive, the more employed this country is and the fewer poor people who need government subsidies, right?Originally Posted by CDB
Nice to say you're ending bureaucracies but what will be left in their place? DoD should be focused on defense and part of defending this country is evaluating potential threats to our solidarity and solvency. Part of reducing threats from foreign governments is making agreements with said governments. If anything, our problem as of late (Bushocracy) has been ignoring other countries' opinion in our international decisions. Pissing off the world doesn't work for you, it works against. Isolationism is nice if you want to blind your eyes to anything not directly in front of you.Originally Posted by CDB
Huh? It's bad enough that education levels are so low in this country, let's leave education standards to.. who, the states? They do enough of failing at that. The parents? If they were educated under the current poor education standards, who are they to decide what is a good education?Originally Posted by CDB
Unions as opposed to the private corporate community in charge? We've seen what happens when corporations run wild. I'll take regulated unionization over the Wal-Mart-ization of this country anyday. You're right about churches, why should they have tax exemption on the portion of their proceeds which are taxable? Freedom from regulating religion should not extend to freedom from the civic responsibility of which churches claim is a major goal.Originally Posted by CDB
Ok, so who decides what environmental regulations are "too misguided"? The head of Greenpeace or the president of Dow Corning?Originally Posted by CDB
There is more than one way to cook a book. Cost at the shelf would not directly reflect what the government is receiving or what they would be doing with it. This sounds like the opposite of your other suggestions, which involve weakening the Federal government. No income tax at this point means that sales tax goes up to 30 or 40 percent. I hope you have a hell of a P.R. plan in mind for that strategy. You going to be the one to introduce the "democratic peoples" of the U.S. to that idea? Want to see how fast whoever does that is out on their ass?Originally Posted by CDB
A nice idea, and I'm sure someone like our friends the Saudis could do a great job of implementing it, in their country.Originally Posted by CDB
So the government will now not print any money? Our currency will cease to exist. Sorry, anarchy is not a feasible economic system.Originally Posted by CDB
Easier said than done... and with the foreign policy of "Go away, Leave us alone" I'm sure it would work great.Originally Posted by CDB
The people who have no say in your foreign, social or economic policies who will suddenly be left in poverty, anarchy and total social disorder will certainly appreciate having the "power" the states allow them. Personally I don't know how a currency-less, unemployed, corporate-run and globally ignorant nation would be much of a world power anymore but maybe I'm missing something.Originally Posted by CDB
Well if we take a literal interpretation of your suggestions we won't have to worry about our government for long, since it will likely be taken over shortly by a strong militaristic and nondemocratic power.Originally Posted by CDB
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