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  1. Quote Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00 View Post

    As much as anybody else, I want to see everybody succeed, regardless of color, ethnicity, or religion. To me, one of the things that makes me exceedingly happy (and all tingly inside) is seeing the success of my student-friends who immigrate from countries like Kenya and are wildly successful because they have goals and they work hard to achieve them. And, what pisses me off beyond belief is when people use racially charged political statements based off of irrelevant past actions of dead men to create racial isolationism and resentful sentiment. And you know what? Many of my African immigrant friends agree with me!!! They see this nation in from an entirely different perspective and rarely experience the so-called "problems" so many African Americans claim to be commonplace.


    While racism in it's true "skin color" form does exist, it's relatively uncommon. With our current president's election--remember, it's largely whites who show up to the polls and vote, so they are primarily responsible for getting him into office!--in conjunction with the success of African immigrants there is no good evidence suggesting that skin color negatively effects any racial group in the US in this day and age. You CHOOSE to think that way because of the plight of the African American community. You CHOOSE to think that way because it's much better than the alternative, that it's a cultural problem (the actual issue). The African American culture does not appreciate values, such as education, which are available to them and would afford them the opportunity to succeed. Therefore they do no succeed! The culture has it's interest largely vested in things like sports and gangster rap, teaches isolationist crap and encourages resentment and complacency.

    I mean, look at this crap:

    Content analysis of 56 African American high school students’ descriptions of the meaning of ‘‘acting Black’’ revealed five underlying content dimensions: (1) academic/scholastic, (2) aesthetic/stylistic, (3) behavioral, (4) dispositional, and (5) impressionistic. With the exception of the qualities in the aesthetic/stylistic category, the respondents attributed primarily negative qualities to ‘‘acting Black.’’ Although Black youths’ perspectives on ‘‘acting White’’ has been a topic of great interest among those concerned about the academic achievement gap between Black and White youths, results of the present study suggest that the quest to improve academic and social achievement among African American youths will need to focus on altering youths’ definitions of ‘‘acting Black.’’

    http://www.springerlink.com/content/...ext.pdf?page=1

    Culture is a huge deal, and it's the problem here... no color. That's why the success of African immigrants is largely determined by their country of origin. (I.e. Kenyans and Somali's have vastly different success rates). In addition, consider this: African immigrants have THE HIGHEST education attainment rates of any immigrant group in the US with an astounding 48.9% of all African immigrants holding a diploma, far exceeding both white and Asian communities. Nobody held them back, and they're wildly successful in the workforce.

    The point is this: Black's need to stop justifying unjust actions because of temporally irrelevant historical events. They need to stop blaming their underwhelming achievement on non-existent oppressive white intervention and inequality. They need to start looking at African American culture and fixing it--it's obviously not producing the results the black community desires. This is the land of opportunity. This is a time where opportunity is equally available to everybody in this land. Nowhere else on the planet will you find the opportunity you have here, so learn to love it, embrace your Americanism, stop isolating yourselves, and make America proud rather than making excuses. And lastly, above all else, value the truth and don't replace what is true with what you wish were true simply because what you wish for resonates with your emotional state better than the actual truth.

    WOW, you say that you do not believe in the act of promoting propaganda, yet, you are sleeping with it in all of these statements like a $5.00 hooker.
    Temporally irrelevant historical events? Wow again. You have amazed me yet again.
    For someone that does not think ignorantly, you are holding ignorance up, like you have it written on a sign, marching back and forth in a picket line....

    You should be proud of yourself. You go at the other poster, telling him to pick a side, or choose yet you are saying that this is a land of individual opportunity and then bash blacks for choosing to perform music? Why not bash blacks for choosing to perform gospel, hell, we are not all Christians. So, maybe that offends me supremely.

    Again, you are putting a base on racism as if it was about the "color" of someone's skin only. If you are going to write the argument, write it all out in plain view so that we can all have a look. Racism is about hating someone because of just that color and not taking the time or opportunity to further understand that person for who they are. Racism is about listening to others and allowing them to tell you that you should hate this person because they are of a different race than you are and not having the opportunity to choose for yourself if you would enjoy this person's friendship or not.

    You are talking about blacks giving excuses for their lack of success and I agree, blacks should quit making up excuses for their losses. This is just as well as ALL OTHER RACES should quit blaming the "system" for their losses and short comings. Hell, people need to quit blaming the government for every small mishap that comes up also.

    But, I am talking about people hating others just due to their skin color and being so ignorant that they cannot see the good in someone just because of that.
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  2. The original black panthers, if you truly read the history, did not talk about killing off whites. They taught equal rights for everyone, period. Even some of the panthers met with kkk members in order to come to a balance. These guys in this new age are preaching hate, which, I have no respect for.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Irish Cannon View Post
    I don't at all agree with these people killing abortion doctors, but how many doctors have been killed? Isn't it like five? Versus millions of babies. -

    But I digress...I don't agree, yet I don' really care.
    What's absolutely pathetic is that we have people going around claiming to be Christians and killing abortion doctors? And, they are doing it because they are trying to preserve life? Ummmm, does anyone see the complete silly irony in this?
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by hardknock View Post
    What's absolutely pathetic is that we have people going around claiming to be Christians and killing abortion doctors? And, they are doing it because they are trying to preserve life? Ummmm, does anyone see the complete silly irony in this?
    Haha. Yes. Those kinds of people do more damage to the name "Christian" than anyone else.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by hardknock View Post
    The original black panthers, if you truly read the history, did not talk about killing off whites. They taught equal rights for everyone, period. Even some of the panthers met with kkk members in order to come to a balance. These guys in this new age are preaching hate, which, I have no respect for.
    Ya. The New Black Panther Party has absolutely no affiliation with the original group. I can't say I agree with the original 100%, but they were in no way as extreme as these dudes.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by hardknock View Post
    The original black panthers, if you truly read the history, did not talk about killing off whites. They taught equal rights for everyone, period. Even some of the panthers met with kkk members in order to come to a balance. These guys in this new age are preaching hate, which, I have no respect for.
    You are 100% correct and this backs up those statements:

    http://www.marxists.org/history/usa/...lack-panthers/
    http://www.socialistalternative.org/...nther/ch2.html
    YouTube - New Black Panthers
    YouTube - Black Panthers Cause Problems In Philadelphia
    YouTube - "Security" patrols stationed at polling places in Philly

  7. Quote Originally Posted by hardknock View Post
    What's absolutely pathetic is that we have people going around claiming to be Christians and killing abortion doctors? And, they are doing it because they are trying to preserve life? Ummmm, does anyone see the complete silly irony in this?
    You are acting that since you are a Christian you have no leeway for true poetic justice. I am a Christian and fully support the death penalty. Most do not grab to the scripture word for word, but believe in their own interpretation... one of the many great things we were given as human beings, freedom of thought. I think abortion doctors should be punished by death, especially for the upcoming live birth abortions that is attached to the FOCA (If a baby survives an abortion, then just left on the table to cry and die, no support given, now we aren't quantifying life even after birth). So yes, for the greater good some must die some times.

    Do I think that guy was right to shoot him without due process? No. But do I have sympathy for a man who has removed life after life from this world? Nope.

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  8. Quote Originally Posted by Nole1 View Post
    how in the world have we fallen into this abyss?
    Because when Republicans had their chance they ****ed the dog so hard it left a blood trail.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Irish Cannon View Post
    This is what I've been saying. I'm a culturalist, not a racist.
    Same difference in PC terms.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by CDB View Post
    Because when Republicans had their chance they ****ed the dog so hard it left a blood trail.
    Unfortunately, this started well before the last admin, and you know that CDB. The slippery slope started far back and gained the most momentum with the Carter Admin... from there it has been a downward spiral.

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  11. Quote Originally Posted by CDB View Post
    Same difference in PC terms.
    Not necessarily... finding disgust in Gang banger, and a Mexican are two completely different things.

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  12. Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    Unfortunately, this started well before the last admin, and you know that CDB. The slippery slope started far back and gained the most momentum with the Carter Admin... from there it has been a downward spiral.
    I agree, the degeneration has been constant and long lived. However recall that recently we still had people like Dole and Lott and Bar in the senate and congress. These were guys with some vestige of the Old Right in them and perhaps a hint of fiscal discipline. These last eight years though are when the NeoCons really came into their own, and man did they screw the pooch like no one else. Spending and wars all over the place. If the country is a road trip we just let that uncle drive and he made a bee line straight to Thailand and the little boys boutique.

    Not necessarily... finding disgust in Gang banger, and a Mexican are two completely different things.
    Not to the PC crowd. Race and culture are essentially synonymous to them. Hating a gang banger means you hate blacks to them. Why do you think they call some blacks oreos? It's not really their skin color that matters in the end, though it's a convenient dividing line that will do in a pinch. It's the culture. It always has been.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by CDB View Post
    I agree, the degeneration has been constant and long lived. However recall that recently we still had people like Dole and Lott and Bar in the senate and congress. These were guys with some vestige of the Old Right in them and perhaps a hint of fiscal discipline. These last eight years though are when the NeoCons really came into their own, and man did they screw the pooch like no one else. Spending and wars all over the place. If the country is a road trip we just let that uncle drive and he made a bee line straight to Thailand and the little boys boutique.
    I think the last admin was played the hand they were dealt... my biggest gripe is spending. We differ on wars. I think war was inevitable since the US was considered a big ***** from the lack of response from the former administration. I cannot get on board with the waste of spending at all, Medicare part D... SERIOUSLY? when we are already spending our way into hell? Unfortunately the current administration took the reigns of the former and continue with the insurmountable spending, within months outspending the former administration... it is seriously a toilet bowl effect, we all swirl, while good old Commander in Chief does the flushing. And as you know it keeps going further back, Bush 1, Carter passing the CRA, and so on and so forth. A r3volution is imminent, I really can feel it coming. I only hope someone like Ron Paul is the one to lead it... I want to see real adherence to the constitution, get back to a real republic, or a real democracy for that matter based on federalism instead of the state governments being like the fed little b*tches.



    Not to the PC crowd. Race and culture are essentially synonymous to them. Hating a gang banger means you hate blacks to them. Why do you think they call some blacks oreos? It's not really their skin color that matters in the end, though it's a convenient dividing line that will do in a pinch. It's the culture. It always has been.
    Unfortunately I can see that point of view. The PC crowd while trying to be considerate, is instead breeding hate. Nice little catch 22 there.

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  14. What's absolutely pathetic is that we have people going around claiming to be Christians and killing abortion doctors? And, they are doing it because they are trying to preserve life? Ummmm, does anyone see the complete silly irony in this?
    I actually see irony in those who truely do believe it's murder and do nothing about it. I don't look at it as murder but I do know what I would do if I saw a guy curb stomping a bunch of children at a daycare. Even if it were legal to do this I don't think I could sit back and just say "it ain't illegal" and end my plea at picketing.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Jayhawkk View Post
    I actually see irony in those who truely do believe it's murder and do nothing about it. I don't look at it as murder but I do know what I would do if I saw a guy curb stomping a bunch of children at a daycare. Even if it were legal to do this I don't think I could sit back and just say "it ain't illegal" and end my plea at picketing.
    I still don't understand how abortion is legal yet someone can be charged with two counts of murder when they murder a pregnant woman...what if she was on her way to the abortion clinic?

    I'm obviously not defending the murderer, just trying to make sense of the charges brought against them.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by CDB View Post
    Same difference in PC terms.
    Whatever. I don't care.

  17. Think it all rests on the choice being taken away from the mother.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by Jayhawkk View Post
    Think it all rests on the choice being taken away from the mother.
    The choice is taken away from someone regardless. It still doesn't make any sense. You're saying in one case that it's an unborn child, and in the other, that it's just a fetus and is fine to trash it.

    Do you see what I'm getting at? The choice has nothing to do with it. You're determining a life on a whim of thought. "It is" or "it isn't" based on who does the killing; the mother or the murderer.

    Liberalism is such a ****ing mirage of thought. There is absolutely no basis or foundation for any of this bull ****. I'm so sick of this garbage. ****ing pussies. A political ideology based on emotion rather than fact.

    Way to go you **** holes.

    (this wasn't directed at you Jay - just irked in general)

  19. I was only stating why I think they do what they do... Not quite sure how each state views these things cause i don't 'think' that every state has a double murder statute if a person kills a pregnant mother.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Jayhawkk View Post
    I was only stating why I think they do what they do... Not quite sure how each state views these things cause i don't 'think' that every state has a double murder statute if a person kills a pregnant mother.
    I'll get this back on topic...

    Black Panthers suck and are the definition of racism.

    gogogogogogo

  21. http://data.opi.mt.gov/legbills/2009...s/jus34a03.pdf

    States on unborn victims. I know there are statutes in each state that can possibly cover said atrocities, even in the states that are not clearly defined.

    Either way... hang em up by their nuts!
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  22. lol. These pieces of ****. I can almost guarantee with 100% certainty that almost every single one of these Harlem pro-black afrocentric garbage butt holes is on some type of welfare, paid mostly by whites.

    I don't understand these people. Leave the country if you don't like it. It's not hard. Go to Trinidad or Jamaica or somewhere in Africa. Do us all a favor.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    You are acting that since you are a Christian you have no leeway for true poetic justice. I am a Christian and fully support the death penalty. Most do not grab to the scripture word for word, but believe in their own interpretation... one of the many great things we were given as human beings, freedom of thought. I think abortion doctors should be punished by death, especially for the upcoming live birth abortions that is attached to the FOCA (If a baby survives an abortion, then just left on the table to cry and die, no support given, now we aren't quantifying life even after birth). So yes, for the greater good some must die some times.

    Do I think that guy was right to shoot him without due process? No. But do I have sympathy for a man who has removed life after life from this world? Nope.

    Adams
    There is no poetic justice according to the bible.
    Murder is murder. We can go back and say that two wrongs do not make a right in the earlier post within this thread, blank panthers, KKK, yet we can give leeway to murder because of this? We cannot have it both ways on both subject matters...either two wrongs do not make a right or it's an eye for an eye.
    I can't see the reasoning behind punishing abortion doctors by death. We don't punish any other doctor, by death, who may misdiagnose an individual and give them the incorrect medicines, which they may die from. They may be punished by trial, stripped of licensing, and set to prison for 5 years, but that's it....so why would we treat abortion doctors differently? If we are going to do one thing, we need to be consistent. If we are going to put abortion doctors to death, then we need to put all doctors to death that kill someone by accidental misdiagnoses.
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  24. Quote Originally Posted by hardknock View Post
    There is no poetic justice according to the bible.
    Murder is murder. We can go back and say that two wrongs do not make a right in the earlier post within this thread, blank panthers, KKK, yet we can give leeway to murder because of this? We cannot have it both ways on both subject matters...either two wrongs do not make a right or it's an eye for an eye.
    I can't see the reasoning behind punishing abortion doctors by death. We don't punish any other doctor, by death, who may misdiagnose an individual and give them the incorrect medicines, which they may die from. They may be punished by trial, stripped of licensing, and set to prison for 5 years, but that's it....so why would we treat abortion doctors differently? If we are going to do one thing, we need to be consistent. If we are going to put abortion doctors to death, then we need to put all doctors to death that kill someone by accidental misdiagnoses.
    Murder is murder, but killing is not murder. There is a definite distinction between those two. The death penalty is NOT murder, it is killing.

    And what are you talking about? Misdiagnosis? How do you misdiagnose an abortion? You're comparing apples and refrigerators.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Irish Cannon View Post
    lol. These pieces of ****. I can almost guarantee with 100% certainty that almost every single one of these Harlem pro-black afrocentric garbage butt holes is on some type of welfare, paid mostly by whites.

    I don't understand these people. Leave the country if you don't like it. It's not hard. Go to Trinidad or Jamaica or somewhere in Africa. Do us all a favor.
    Very wrong here bro' Most, not all, but MOST of those people that are on the videos posted here will not even accept welfare or any other government assisted care. It is described, in their circle, as taking money from the devil.

    The last couple of sentences of your statement are somewhat ironic. Isn't there always a thread on AM about how the government is "screwing" us all with bans, and such? So, since we all have a dislike for how this country has been turning during the past 8 years, shouldn't we all leave it?
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  26. Quote Originally Posted by Irish Cannon View Post
    Murder is murder, but killing is not murder. There is a definite distinction between those two. The death penalty is NOT murder, it is killing.

    And what are you talking about? Misdiagnosis? How do you misdiagnose an abortion? You're comparing apples and refrigerators.
    Nope. It's the same. No one is talking about misdiagnosing an abortion; I have no idea where you got that from, but there are no abortion doctors going around herding pregnant mothers into a clinic and ripping their fetus's from their stomachs. These people are coming to the abortion doctors for this service. Like i stated, we might as well kill all of the doctors who accidentally, or ignorantly kill, and murder people from poor judgment and misdiagnosis.

    You are right, murder is not killing. But when a doctor makes a poor decision on a diagnosis, knowing they should bring in someone more knowledgeable on the subject matter, and knowing full well that they have NO IDEA what they are attempting to treat then it can be, and in my families case, was considered murder with malice intent by judgment.
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  27. Quote Originally Posted by hardknock View Post
    There is no poetic justice according to the bible.
    Murder is murder. We can go back and say that two wrongs do not make a right in the earlier post within this thread, blank panthers, KKK, yet we can give leeway to murder because of this? We cannot have it both ways on both subject matters...either two wrongs do not make a right or it's an eye for an eye.
    I can't see the reasoning behind punishing abortion doctors by death. We don't punish any other doctor, by death, who may misdiagnose an individual and give them the incorrect medicines, which they may die from. They may be punished by trial, stripped of licensing, and set to prison for 5 years, but that's it....so why would we treat abortion doctors differently? If we are going to do one thing, we need to be consistent. If we are going to put abortion doctors to death, then we need to put all doctors to death that kill someone by accidental misdiagnoses.
    Seriously? Your soapbox is going to compare killing babies to racism? Then you are going to go on and compare a doctor of death to a doctor who is saving lives day in and day out?

    By exactly what you are saying a 1st degree murder is the same as an accidental homicide by a car accident? Please clarify why.

    And I believe I stated my take on my own beliefs. Never did I say I strictly adhere to the bible for all my outlooks on life.

    Even I can see killing a baby isn't on even the same playing field as voter intimidation. I said I would give him leeway, didn't say everyone else should or does. There is the greatness of freedom of thought. I can believe killing babies are wrong, I can believe racism, reverse racism, and hate groups are wrong, and the greatest thing of all, I can believe killing someone who kills babies, or molests children is oh so right... I seriously love that crimes against children are almost unanimously punished by death with in the general population of prison. Somehow even murders have some type of morals that somehow others do not.

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  28. Quote Originally Posted by hardknock View Post
    You are right, murder is not killing. But when a doctor makes a poor decision on a diagnosis, knowing they should bring in someone more knowledgeable on the subject matter, and knowing full well that they have NO IDEA what they are attempting to treat then it can be, and in my families case, was considered murder with malice intent by judgment.
    So we are reading all the minds of doctors now? So you can firmly say every death in a hospital that was accidental was somehow intentionally accidental, as you allude to by the statement "knowing they should bring in someone more knowledgeable on the subject matter, and knowing full well that they have NO IDEA what they are attempting to treat"? Please show me in any books that says with 100% certainty that when these symptoms show the problem is 100% this or that. If that was the case, the term Zebra would have never been coined, and the show on discovery health "Mystery Diagnosis" would not be so popular. When you realize healthcare is just as much of an art as it is a science you will realize. A misdiagnosis is not paramount to murder. Trying to save a life with the skills given and failing a time or another does not make someone a murderer. If it is so easy, then why not go through the over a decade of school, and start saving the lives that other doctors are taking intentionally accidentally.

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  29. Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    Seriously? Your soapbox is going to compare killing babies to racism? Then you are going to go on and compare a doctor of death to a doctor who is saving lives day in and day out?

    By exactly what you are saying a 1st degree murder is the same as an accidental homicide by a car accident? Please clarify why.

    And I believe I stated my take on my own beliefs. Never did I say I strictly adhere to the bible for all my outlooks on life.

    Even I can see killing a baby isn't on even the same playing field as voter intimidation. I said I would give him leeway, didn't say everyone else should or does. There is the greatness of freedom of thought. I can believe killing babies are wrong, I can believe racism, reverse racism, and hate groups are wrong, and the greatest thing of all, I can believe killing someone who kills babies, or molests children is oh so right... I seriously love that crimes against children are almost unanimously punished by death with in the general population of prison. Somehow even murders have some type of morals that somehow others do not.

    Adams
    Once again though, let me start by saying this, the post was NOT intended for you. You just made a convenient comment which I used. I have been in this discussion with a few members lately and they know who they are. They come off as racist. We are not talking black/white, we are talking racism as a whole. Also, the mark about the bible was not intended for you...if those of who I speak wish to chime into this thread then they have free op to do so, but I see that they do not want to do that. Cowardliness, another ingredient of racism....

    Adams, you do not have to read a doctors mind after that particular doctor has lost 7 patients and during the trial says "i wasn't sure how to treat the ailment" That's pretty much admitting to malpractice right there. That's like me saying, hey, I have a little experience on how to perform heart surgery, but here goes nothing. That's not malpractice, that's pure malice intent. Now, was it technically murder? Probably not, but that's the book of justice, so be it. (this is not hearsay, this is the actual case) I made that statement because I went through the situation, let's not continue to open that can of worms.

    No one is comparing killing babies to racism. I asked how can we give way to one incident then say kill abortion doctors for murder. Abortion doctors are not murdering anyone.

    About your statement on car accidents. Why can it not be considered murder? If you partake in a night of partying, drink until drunkenness, and drive home, hit someone, and kill a family, why is it not murder? You're saying that if you are driving drunk, hit and kill someone, that it is accidental? Or are we just talking about making a mistake and barreling through a red traffic light, while sober on a joy ride? No, let's just call it a poor decision and slap them on the wrist, give them a few years and it's all nice after that. No, wait, let's throw it all out of court, say it was a bad decision, like the doctors make bad decisions, and just let them go....better yet, forget the law, let's just go back to the barbaric days when we could just kill whomever we wanted too. Solves the problem of over population, correct?

    No...it should be categorized as murder. It is premeditated, imo. If you are completely drunk and drive, kill someone, that should be deemed as premeditated murder. They, if they survive, should get face the same consequences as someone who breaks into a house to rob, and kills the family members.
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  30. Remember before reacting that my whole point started because of the editor making a mockery of what some white supremacist members would have done 60 years ago. The whole thing came from those little comments from the editor...my original point was that members of the kkk got off, or were given pardon for doing much worse.

    I have no idea how this got into saying that abortion doctors were murders...they are not, case in point.
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