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    If they ever implement the gun ban, I'm gonna finish my degree and join the FBI.

    Or maybe I'll just keep shooting any a$$holes who come and try to take my guns from me.....
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    Address Gun Violence in Cities: As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals who shouldn't have them. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent, as such weapons belong on foreign battlefields and not on our streets.

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    Both BATFE (ATF) and the Fraternal Order of Police (FOP) oppose release of trace data. In fact, BATFE has fought for years in the federal courts to keep the databases confidential, because they contain information (such as names of gun buyers) that could jeopardize ongoing investigations—not to mention law enforcement officers’ lives. For example, a suspected gun trafficker could search databases for names of "straw purchasers" he had used to buy handguns, or for traces requested on guns he had sold. That information could lead him to names of officers, informants and other witnesses against his crimes.

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    some of this is so foolish. Obama has already stated he was against same sex marriage, which is foolish IMO anyway the author os this seems to have issue with homosexuality
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    this has to be a joke
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    i know one thing the minute that homosexual **** in the military becomes a reality im getting out asap

    its bad enough we spend hours upon hours each yr dealing with females and MEO and what to say and not to say i cannot imagine the millions of hours that will take place when they allow ***s to openly walk around and prance in the service

    the amount of man hours and money will be insane
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    Quote Originally Posted by Outside Backer View Post
    i know one thing the minute that homosexual **** in the military becomes a reality im getting out asap

    its bad enough we spend hours upon hours each yr dealing with females and MEO and what to say and not to say i cannot imagine the millions of hours that will take place when they allow ***s to openly walk around and prance in the service

    the amount of man hours and money will be insane
    Been arguing that part for awhile now. I am the same way. When it is okay for ***s to be open in the military, I am on the way out. Since they wouldn't accommodate separate showers and what not... see ya. Last thing I want to think in a hot zone is some Nancy checkin out my corn hole while scrubin my sack in the hooch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Outside Backer View Post
    i know one thing the minute that homosexual **** in the military becomes a reality im getting out asap

    its bad enough we spend hours upon hours each yr dealing with females and MEO and what to say and not to say i cannot imagine the millions of hours that will take place when they allow ***s to openly walk around and prance in the service

    the amount of man hours and money will be insane
    I don't think a lot of people understand that this is the true dilemma.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reaper329 View Post
    some of this is so foolish. Obama has already stated he was against same sex marriage, which is foolish IMO anyway the author os this seems to have issue with homosexuality
    This was addressed in the PDF. It simply seems like a tactic to not alienate votes. Maybe he DOES feel that way, but not enough to work to change it.

    I really believe that so many problems from this country stem from the declining familiy model, and there is just no way that I can any longer be apathetic on this issue. I sat down and debated this with myself for a while a few weeks ago.
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    I love how in the article thinks all homos are treated as pedophiles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Irish Cannon View Post
    This was addressed in the PDF. It simply seems like a tactic to not alienate votes. Maybe he DOES feel that way, but not enough to work to change it.

    I really believe that so many problems from this country stem from the declining familiy model, and there is just no way that I can any longer be apathetic on this issue. I sat down and debated this with myself for a while a few weeks ago.
    I dont necessarily disagree to an extent, but it goes much further than the idea that Johnny has 2 moms or dads. Even families with a mom and a dad are declining in values. Hell, across the boards parents are less interested, less involved and the kids are alone. Personally, if the kid can have 2 loving parents that want to be involved and be supportive, I could give 2 sh!ts what gender they are.

    Also, for those here that think homosexuals (considering the word used by people here is quite wrong or could just mean cigarette) are looking for them, I think it might be time to get over yourself a bit and leave your ego at the door
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reaper329 View Post
    I dont necessarily disagree to an extent, but it goes much further than the idea that Johnny has 2 moms or dads. Even families with a mom and a dad are declining in values. Hell, across the boards parents are less interested, less involved and the kids are alone. Personally, if the kid can have 2 loving parents that want to be involved and be supportive, I could give 2 sh!ts what gender they are.
    I agree that as a whole, families are declining in values; however, I can't push aside the fact that a father and a mother ofter two VERY different aspects as parents to the family and the child, and I believe that for the family to be completely balanced, it is necessary to have both a loving father and mother.

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    Also, for those here that think homosexuals (considering the word used by people here is quite wrong or could just mean cigarette) are looking for them, I think it might be time to get over yourself a bit and leave your ego at the door
    I see what you're saying, but it would be hard for me to accept the fact that if I was in the military I would have to be showering with known homosexuals. I see it as no different than co-ed showers. I'm attracted to females, and of course they would feel uncomfortable with some random dude in the shower with them. It makes things very unstable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reaper329 View Post
    Also, for those here that think homosexuals (considering the word used by people here is quite wrong or could just mean cigarette) are looking for them, I think it might be time to get over yourself a bit and leave your ego at the door
    Okay.. then why arent the showers Co-Ed? I mean I am not going to look at every women sexually. So that should be no issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    Okay.. then why arent the showers Co-Ed? I mean I am not going to look at every women sexually. So that should be no issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irish Cannon View Post
    Beat ya to it this time!
    Damn you!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irish Cannon View Post
    I agree that as a whole, families are declining in values; however, I can't push aside the fact that a father and a mother ofter two VERY different aspects as parents to the family and the child, and I believe that for the family to be completely balanced, it is necessary to have both a loving father and mother.
    I agree and disagree. There have been many successful families that were not typical. I think we both know this.



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    I see what you're saying, but it would be hard for me to accept the fact that if I was in the military I would have to be showering with known homosexuals. I see it as no different than co-ed showers. I'm attracted to females, and of course they would feel uncomfortable with some random dude in the shower with them. It makes things very unstable.
    So if you were showering with Barbara Walters you would be overcome with emotion?

    In all seriousness, I am not too sure why you believe they would be attracted to you. I am pretty sure that a kid I played football with in HS was gay, hell the whole team assumed so as well, however I never thought he was into me or anyone else for that matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    Okay.. then why arent the showers Co-Ed? I mean I am not going to look at every women sexually. So that should be no issue.

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    Well I think the obvious answer is gender difference. Gay men are still me, as are gay women. So the showering should still not be an issue
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    Who knows what they're thinking? All I'm saying is it would probably be pretty damn uncomfortable for me. I'm not homophobic, but showering with a homosexual is still a little too close for comfort.
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    SO IC your ego makes you assume you are wanted? Let me ask you, when you walk down the street do you assume that every woman wants you?

    In college during my freshman year I stayed on a coed floor. Only a girls bathroom on the floor. Now, when it was late and I needed to go real bad, hell if I was going to go running to the floor above. Also, many times different people(male and female) showered in there. We were all as respectful as possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reaper329 View Post
    Well I think the obvious answer is gender difference. Gay men are still me, as are gay women. So the showering should still not be an issue
    there is a big difference. I dont know if you have served, but being that close of quarters changes the dynamic of things. The rule now in the military protects all. I am not made uncomfortable, and they can live their gay life, just not let the military know about it. Weather you like it or not, a platoon of soldiers would loose respect for their commander if he came out saying he liked the meat whistle. Just how things are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reaper329 View Post
    SO IC your ego makes you assume you are wanted? Let me ask you, when you walk down the street do you assume that every woman wants you?
    YES.. and sometimes all to often.. even THAT makes me uncomfortable at times. Like I am going to be mauled!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reaper329 View Post
    SO IC your ego makes you assume you are wanted? Let me ask you, when you walk down the street do you assume that every woman wants you?
    I really don't know why you would think this.

    I hear so much talk about ego these days as though high self-esteem is a bad thing.

    I definitely don't think every chick is automatically attracted to me, but rarely do I feel a woman is out of my league. But again, this is COMPLETELY besides the point...

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    In college during my freshman year I stayed on a coed floor. Only a girls bathroom on the floor. Now, when it was late and I needed to go real bad, hell if I was going to go running to the floor above. Also, many times different people(male and female) showered in there. We were all as respectful as possible.
    Again, totally besides the point.

    I feel uncomfortable showering with a gay guy. It's that simple. The fact that I do or don't think he finds me attractive has nothing to do with it, nor does it even cross my mind.

    I don't want to shower with random women, hot or not, attracted to me or not.

    I don't want to shower with random gay men, attracted to me or not.

    It's that simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    YES.. and sometimes all to often.. even THAT makes me uncomfortable at times. Like I am going to be mauled!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irish Cannon View Post
    I really don't know why you would think this.

    I hear so much talk about ego these days as though high self-esteem is a bad thing.

    I definitely don't think every chick is automatically attracted to me, but rarely do I feel a woman is out of my league. But again, this is COMPLETELY besides the point...



    Again, totally besides the point.

    I feel uncomfortable showering with a gay guy. It's that simple. The fact that I do or don't think he finds me attractive has nothing to do with it, nor does it even cross my mind.

    I don't want to shower with random women, hot or not, attracted to me or not.

    I don't want to shower with random gay men, attracted to me or not.

    It's that simple.
    My point here IC is, that as much as you would be uncomfortable, so might a gay guy be uncomfortable with showing near you. He might believe your interest is in him. (no pun intended)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reaper329 View Post
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    Yes indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Outside Backer View Post
    i know one thing the minute that homosexual **** in the military becomes a reality im getting out asap

    its bad enough we spend hours upon hours each yr dealing with females and MEO and what to say and not to say i cannot imagine the millions of hours that will take place when they allow ***s to openly walk around and prance in the service

    the amount of man hours and money will be insane
    You've got to be ****ing kidding me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reaper329 View Post
    My point here IC is, that as much as you would be uncomfortable, so might a gay guy be uncomfortable with showing near you. He might believe your interest is in him. (no pun intended)
    That's very possible. But again, it proves my point. It's unstable; in this case, for both of us. It just causes problems, and that's all I'm trying to get at. That's why the military has the policy it does, to avoid these conflicts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    You've got to be ****ing kidding me.
    No, he's not. They already build extra facilities for women and spend time telling you how you must behave around them. What's going to happen when people are allowed to be openly gay in the service?
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    This is why this really irritates the hell out of me.

    Unfortunately military policy is written by civilians, most of whom never have served, and dont know what it feels like having to be in such close quarters in hostile situations.

    If this was up to the service members themselves, it would not be an issue. My rationale is the norm in the US Military, and make them feel comfortable, especially in a time of war is paramount. Rather than appeasing the public eye, which is done far to often.

    A kinder gentler military is what we have become.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irish Cannon View Post
    No, he's not. They already build extra facilities for women and spend time telling you how you must behave around them. What's going to happen when people are allowed to be openly gay in the service?
    I was talking about the statement itself, not whether it was valid or not. I have never served, and you, DA, and OB may be right, but does that mean he has to express himself like some ignorant backwater retard?

    Maybe I missed it, but does being in the Military qualify you to set the clock back 50 years and break out the white caps and robes? Jesus, he just had to include jews and blacks and we could have crowned him the grandmaster.

    Have you considered that these facilities are built BECAUSE of attitudes and ridiculous statements like that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    This is why this really irritates the hell out of me.

    Unfortunately military policy is written by civilians, most of whom never have served, and dont know what it feels like having to be in such close quarters in hostile situations.

    If this was up to the service members themselves, it would not be an issue. My rationale is the norm in the US Military, and make them feel comfortable, especially in a time of war is paramount. Rather than appeasing the public eye, which is done far to often.

    A kinder gentler military is what we have become.

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    And what irritates the hell out of me is that often times U.S., Soldiers assume being in the Military gives them a free-pass to say whatever about whomever they want; I don't need to serve to spot a ridiculous statement like that.

    That is like saying I must be a Doctor to spot that I have a cold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    I was talking about the statement itself, not whether it was valid or not. I have never served, and you, DA, and OB may be right, but does that mean he has to express himself like some ignorant backwater retard?

    Maybe I missed it, but does being in the Military qualify you to set the clock back 50 years and break out the white caps and robes? Jesus, he just had to include jews and blacks and we could have crowned him the grandmaster.

    Have you considered that these facilities are built BECAUSE of attitudes and ridiculous statements like that?
    No, but it doesn't mean he has to be PC either. I know why I am ignorant, and an ass about it... it is because this kind of sh*t is being shoved down our throats day in and day out. So a certain level of hostility is expected.

    I honestly dont care what gays/homosexuals (Whatever people are calling it these days) do. Place it in my life, and I will get a voice... which in effect is what will happen if forced upon the service members.

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    So our infants should be free to grow up...as long as they don't grow up gay, apparently.

    In 2012 we're not the land of the free; however, the terrorists still hate our freedom.

    Nice.

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    Wow, strong closet homosexuality in this thread. You guys spend way too much time thinking about other men and their desires. When I served in the military, I worked with guys I knew were gay... and I never really gave it much thought.

    Btw... I stopped reading that ultra-conservative nonsense when it mentioned that the Boy Scouts disbanded to keep homosexuals from sleeping in tents with little boys. I guess I shouldn't be allowed to teach in a 5th grade classroom then, 'cause I have 14 female students... and there is nothing to keep me from molesting them all. Oh wait... my sexuality has nothing to do with pedophilia.

    Reading this thread reminds me of why I would never move back to a red state. I cherish my intelligence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    And what irritates the hell out of me is that often times U.S., Soldiers assume being in the Military gives them a free-pass to say whatever about whomever they want; I don't need to serve to spot a ridiculous statement like that.

    That is like saying I must be a Doctor to spot that I have a cold.
    HA... its not the military that gives me a free pass... it is the first amendment. Love it or hate it. I'd say what I want regardless of the uniform my friend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rubberring View Post
    Wow, strong closet homosexuality in this thread. You guys spend way too much time thinking about other men and their desires. When I served in the military, I worked with guys I knew were gay... and I never really gave it much thought.

    Btw... I stopped reading that ultra-conservative nonsense when it mentioned that the Boy Scouts disbanded to keep homosexuals from sleeping in tents with little boys. I guess I shouldn't be allowed to teach in a 5th grade classroom then, 'cause I have 14 female students... and there is nothing to keep me from molesting them all. Oh wait... my sexuality has nothing to do with pedophilia.

    Reading this thread reminds me of why I would never move back to a red state. I cherish my intelligence.
    In fact I am not even an ultra conservative. But I do have beliefs, which is what a lot of people seem to lack these days. Instead, go with what the majority is doing.

    And if you haven't figure it out, where you live has no bearing on the level of intelligence you possess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    HA... its not the military that gives me a free pass... it is the first amendment. Love it or hate it. I'd say what I want regardless of the uniform my friend.

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    You probably would, but that is irrelevant, and not the issue. You said:

    Unfortunately military policy is written by civilians, most of whom never have served, and dont know what it feels like having to be in such close quarters in hostile situations.
    Which is essentially telling me I am unqualified to tell you whether you are an ignorant bigot or not (not you, but Military in general).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    You probably would, but that is irrelevant, and not the issue. You said:



    Which is essentially telling me I am unqualified to tell you whether you are an ignorant bigot or not (not you, but Military in general).
    I think my meaning was not conveyed correctly. I am not saying you can't say your piece about me or anyone else for that matter. I was more aiming at the debate at hand, that gays should be allowed to openly serve. In my mind, we the service members should make that decision, not the old crusties up in congress that know nothing about what happens on ground zero.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    And if you haven't figure it out, where you live has no bearing on the level of intelligence you possess.
    So... one's environment has no bearing on his intelligence? Wow. Okay, so Piaget, Erikson, and Vygotsky all just rolled over in their graves.

    With that, I bid you good day.

    Mullet, why bother?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rubberring View Post
    So... one's environment has no bearing on his intelligence?

    Okay, so Piaget, Erikson, and Vygotsky all just rolled over in their graves.

    With that, I bid you good day.
    Good day to you as well my friend.

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