Letter from 2012 in Obama's America

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    This is why this really irritates the hell out of me.

    Unfortunately military policy is written by civilians, most of whom never have served, and dont know what it feels like having to be in such close quarters in hostile situations.

    If this was up to the service members themselves, it would not be an issue. My rationale is the norm in the US Military, and make them feel comfortable, especially in a time of war is paramount. Rather than appeasing the public eye, which is done far to often.

    A kinder gentler military is what we have become.

    Adams
    And what irritates the hell out of me is that often times U.S., Soldiers assume being in the Military gives them a free-pass to say whatever about whomever they want; I don't need to serve to spot a ridiculous statement like that.

    That is like saying I must be a Doctor to spot that I have a cold.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    I was talking about the statement itself, not whether it was valid or not. I have never served, and you, DA, and OB may be right, but does that mean he has to express himself like some ignorant backwater retard?

    Maybe I missed it, but does being in the Military qualify you to set the clock back 50 years and break out the white caps and robes? Jesus, he just had to include jews and blacks and we could have crowned him the grandmaster.

    Have you considered that these facilities are built BECAUSE of attitudes and ridiculous statements like that?
    No, but it doesn't mean he has to be PC either. I know why I am ignorant, and an ass about it... it is because this kind of sh*t is being shoved down our throats day in and day out. So a certain level of hostility is expected.

    I honestly dont care what gays/homosexuals (Whatever people are calling it these days) do. Place it in my life, and I will get a voice... which in effect is what will happen if forced upon the service members.

    Adams
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  3. So our infants should be free to grow up...as long as they don't grow up gay, apparently.

    In 2012 we're not the land of the free; however, the terrorists still hate our freedom.

    Nice.


  4. Wow, strong closet homosexuality in this thread. You guys spend way too much time thinking about other men and their desires. When I served in the military, I worked with guys I knew were gay... and I never really gave it much thought.

    Btw... I stopped reading that ultra-conservative nonsense when it mentioned that the Boy Scouts disbanded to keep homosexuals from sleeping in tents with little boys. I guess I shouldn't be allowed to teach in a 5th grade classroom then, 'cause I have 14 female students... and there is nothing to keep me from molesting them all. Oh wait... my sexuality has nothing to do with pedophilia.

    Reading this thread reminds me of why I would never move back to a red state. I cherish my intelligence.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    And what irritates the hell out of me is that often times U.S., Soldiers assume being in the Military gives them a free-pass to say whatever about whomever they want; I don't need to serve to spot a ridiculous statement like that.

    That is like saying I must be a Doctor to spot that I have a cold.
    HA... its not the military that gives me a free pass... it is the first amendment. Love it or hate it. I'd say what I want regardless of the uniform my friend.

    Adams
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by rubberring View Post
    Wow, strong closet homosexuality in this thread. You guys spend way too much time thinking about other men and their desires. When I served in the military, I worked with guys I knew were gay... and I never really gave it much thought.

    Btw... I stopped reading that ultra-conservative nonsense when it mentioned that the Boy Scouts disbanded to keep homosexuals from sleeping in tents with little boys. I guess I shouldn't be allowed to teach in a 5th grade classroom then, 'cause I have 14 female students... and there is nothing to keep me from molesting them all. Oh wait... my sexuality has nothing to do with pedophilia.

    Reading this thread reminds me of why I would never move back to a red state. I cherish my intelligence.
    In fact I am not even an ultra conservative. But I do have beliefs, which is what a lot of people seem to lack these days. Instead, go with what the majority is doing.

    And if you haven't figure it out, where you live has no bearing on the level of intelligence you possess.

    Adams
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    HA... its not the military that gives me a free pass... it is the first amendment. Love it or hate it. I'd say what I want regardless of the uniform my friend.

    Adams
    You probably would, but that is irrelevant, and not the issue. You said:

    Unfortunately military policy is written by civilians, most of whom never have served, and dont know what it feels like having to be in such close quarters in hostile situations.
    Which is essentially telling me I am unqualified to tell you whether you are an ignorant bigot or not (not you, but Military in general).

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    You probably would, but that is irrelevant, and not the issue. You said:



    Which is essentially telling me I am unqualified to tell you whether you are an ignorant bigot or not (not you, but Military in general).
    I think my meaning was not conveyed correctly. I am not saying you can't say your piece about me or anyone else for that matter. I was more aiming at the debate at hand, that gays should be allowed to openly serve. In my mind, we the service members should make that decision, not the old crusties up in congress that know nothing about what happens on ground zero.

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  9. Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    And if you haven't figure it out, where you live has no bearing on the level of intelligence you possess.
    So... one's environment has no bearing on his intelligence? Wow. Okay, so Piaget, Erikson, and Vygotsky all just rolled over in their graves.

    With that, I bid you good day.

    Mullet, why bother?

  10. Quote Originally Posted by rubberring View Post
    So... one's environment has no bearing on his intelligence?

    Okay, so Piaget, Erikson, and Vygotsky all just rolled over in their graves.

    With that, I bid you good day.
    Good day to you as well my friend.

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  11. Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    No, but it doesn't mean he has to be PC either. I know why I am ignorant, and an ass about it... it is because this kind of sh*t is being shoved down our throats day in and day out. So a certain level of hostility is expected.

    I honestly dont care what gays/homosexuals (Whatever people are calling it these days) do. Place it in my life, and I will get a voice... which in effect is what will happen if forced upon the service members.

    Adams
    The red-tape of 'PC bureaucracy can become infuriating'; trust me, I know this as much or more than you: I live in an 'officially' BiLingual country with a sub-population afforded Constitutional 'distinctness' despite the fact they wish to separate at every turn. That being said, I still do not call the Quebec-French 'frogs' because I do not see the need to degrade people whom are not like me. If you do, that is your prerogative.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    I think my meaning was not conveyed correctly. I am not saying you can't say your piece about me or anyone else for that matter. I was more aiming at the debate at hand, that gays should be allowed to openly serve. In my mind, we the service members should make that decision, not the old crusties up in congress that know nothing about what happens on ground zero.

    Adams
    That is fine, and I agree to an extent, but that does not justify that level of ignorance. In fact, it justifies the very actions you appear to be rallying against; take a step back and afford these people the possibility that they do want to be degraded while serving their country just like you; then, take a further step back and consider that your hostilities contribute to the very issue you are hostile towards.

  13. Oh, the irony of the video I'm posting...


  14. Well that is just funny.

  15. My problem with homosexuals in the military is that men are treated as if they do not have the ability to control their sexual urges and are therefor separated from their female counterparts. they can't room together, shower together and on a lot of installations they can't be on each other's floors.

    Why is this considered okay and normal but the minute you question a homosexuals's ability to control themselves in the same situations, it's considered a phobia? It's the double standard that pisses me off.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Jayhawkk View Post
    My problem with homosexuals in the military is that men are treated as if they do not have the ability to control their sexual urges and are therefor separated from their female counterparts. they can't room together, shower together and on a lot of installations they can't be on each other's floors.

    Why is this considered okay and normal but the minute you question a homosexuals's ability to control themselves in the same situations, it's considered a phobia? It's the double standard that pisses me off.
    This is fundamentally ridiculous as well, and I agree. Special interest groups tend toward lobbying for special considerations as opposed to honest equality; favoring the needs and desires of a single group over another can create hostility - such as displayed in this thread.

    However, even with that being said, it still does not justify being that ignorant, or that disrespectful to another individual's lifestyle.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    That is fine, and I agree to an extent, but that does not justify that level of ignorance. In fact, it justifies the very actions you appear to be rallying against; take a step back and afford these people the possibility that they do want to be degraded while serving their country just like you; then, take a further step back and consider that your hostilities contribute to the very issue you are hostile towards.
    So it is okay to allow them a level of comfort that I am to no longer afforded? Bottom line, it is one way or the other... there really is no median in this issue (well the median could be the dont ask dont tell policy). If allowed to be openly gay, I am not longer comfortable in my surroundings.

    As for the degrading remarks, I will retract that. Again, being forcefed the PC BS gets irritatin.

    Adams
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by Irish Cannon View Post
    Oh, the irony of the video I'm posting...

    I'm convinced you are gay. If you seek cognitive therapy, a doctor will embrace you and tell you it's not your fault, or even a conscious decision. You'll get angry at first, cry loudly for a bit, and then you'll accept who you are. At least, that's how it works in the movies.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    So it is okay to allow them a level of comfort that I am to no longer afforded? Bottom line, it is one way or the other... there really is no median in this issue (well the median could be the dont ask dont tell policy). If allowed to be openly gay, I am not longer comfortable in my surroundings.

    As for the degrading remarks, I will retract that. Again, being forcefed the PC BS gets irritatin.

    Adams
    This may surprise, but homosexuals are not a marauding band of butt-hole raiders, lying in wait to pillage your sweet anal virginity at every turn. It is hard to imagine, but they like other homosexuals!

  20. Quote Originally Posted by rubberring View Post
    I'm convinced you are gay. If you seek cognitive therapy, a doctor will embrace you and tell you it's not your fault, or even a conscious decision. You'll get angry at first, cry loudly for a bit, and then you'll accept who you are. At least, that's how it works in the movies.
    That was definitely crossing the line. When have I ever made a personal attack towards anyone in this thread?

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Irish Cannon View Post
    That was definitely crossing the line. When have I ever made a personal attack towards anyone in this thread?
    Settle down, I was just joking around. However, you kind of make my point for me. How is calling you gay a "personal attack?" It's not the same as using the N-word, for example. To me, it's like calling a brunette a blonde.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by rubberring View Post
    Settle down, I was just joking around. However, you kind of make my point for me. How is calling you gay a "personal attack?" It's not the same as using the N-word, for example. To me, it's like calling a brunette a blonde.
    Because it was pathetic, and directed towards me.

    If you know I disagree with a certain lifestyle, and you accuse me of being part of that lifestyle, how is it not a personal attack?

  23. I dunno about homosexuals only liking other homosexuals. I personally don't get turned off if I find a woman attractive and find out she's a homosexual... I just know where my boundries are and will not approach a gay woman but I will still find her attractive

  24. Quote Originally Posted by rubberring View Post
    Wow, strong closet homosexuality in this thread. You guys spend way too much time thinking about other men and their desires. When I served in the military, I worked with guys I knew were gay... and I never really gave it much thought.

    Btw... I stopped reading that ultra-conservative nonsense when it mentioned that the Boy Scouts disbanded to keep homosexuals from sleeping in tents with little boys. I guess I shouldn't be allowed to teach in a 5th grade classroom then, 'cause I have 14 female students... and there is nothing to keep me from molesting them all. Oh wait... my sexuality has nothing to do with pedophilia.

    Reading this thread reminds me of why I would never move back to a red state. I cherish my intelligence.


    This thread is hilarious. The funny thing is if you played sports or even at your gym now, you may be showering in front of homosexuals who are on the DL.

    I grew up extremely homophobic but as I got older and met people that were gay in the workplace and other social situations that I had no specific control over, I found out that other than the strange things they may do behind closed doors, they're just people. Homo's are not as in to you as some of you think just wear a sign on your ass that says "Exit Only", that will make you feel better. I doubt very seriously that they would be "swinging Handbags" in the military, they would be there to do a job, just like you.

    :bruce3:

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Irish Cannon View Post
    Because it was pathetic, and directed towards me.

    If you know I disagree with a certain lifestyle, and you accuse me of being part of that lifestyle, how is it not a personal attack?
    Irish: I hate mall-shoppers.
    rubber: I bet you shop at the mall.
    Irish: Woah... that was a pathetic and personal attack on my lifestyle, and I'm extremely sensitive to it.

    Your logic is spot on. My apologies.

  26. Quote Originally Posted by rubberring View Post
    I'm convinced you are gay. If you seek cognitive therapy, a doctor will embrace you and tell you it's not your fault, or even a conscious decision. You'll get angry at first, cry loudly for a bit, and then you'll accept who you are. At least, that's how it works in the movies.
    "And I guess that's why they call it the Blues"

    :bruce3:

  27. Quote Originally Posted by rubberring View Post
    Irish: I hate mall-shoppers.
    rubber: I bet you shop at the mall.
    Irish: Woah... that was a pathetic and personal attack on my lifestyle, and I'm extremely sensitive to it.

    Your logic is spot on. My apologies.
    Ya dude, go ahead and put the spin on. 'Cause shopping at the mall is definitely a lifestyle choice similar to sexual preference.

    I guess now we will start to argue if people are born mall-shoppers or choose to be...

  28. Quote Originally Posted by Fastone View Post


    This thread is hilarious. The funny thing is if you played sports or even at your gym now, you may be showering in front of homosexuals who are on the DL.

    I grew up extremely homophobic but as I got older and met people that were gay in the workplace and other social situations that I had no specific control over, I found out that other than the strange things they may do behind closed doors, they're just people. Homo's are not as in to you as some of you think just wear a sign on your ass that says "Exit Only", that will make you feel better. I doubt very seriously that they would be "swinging Handbags" in the military, they would be there to do a job, just like you.

    :bruce3:
    I know dude. My wife and I are sitting here reading this thread, and we don't know whether to laugh or cry!

    Quote Originally Posted by Fastone View Post
    "And I guess that's why they call it the Blues"
    Sorry Seems to be the Hardest Word!

  29. The military is different than sports or a regular business type of environment. Again, the same exact reasons men and women are separated should be used as reasons why they would have to separate homosexuals should they be allowed to openly be gay while serving. Straight or gay doesn't make a difference to me but I also had a problem with a lot of females serving as well. A simple look at standards made me shake my head. How can you shout from the rooftops that women are equal but as soon as a set of standards are developed, there are a million studies telling us that females can't do what males do?

  30. Quote Originally Posted by Jayhawkk View Post
    The military is different than sports or a regular business type of environment. Again, the same exact reasons men and women are separated should be used as reasons why they would have to separate homosexuals should they be allowed to openly be gay while serving. Straight or gay doesn't make a difference to me but I also had a problem with a lot of females serving as well. A simple look at standards made me shake my head. How can you shout from the rooftops that women are equal but as soon as a set of standards are developed, there are a million studies telling us that females can't do what males do?
    My brother has this problem. He's a civilian firefighter and has to work with some women. How can he trust his life with a woman that weighs 105lbs. It has nothing to do with her gender, it's just the physics of it. She's just simply not going to be able to drag him out if it came down to it.
  

  
 

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