my journey to get to 150 criticizm and suggestions wanted
- 11-18-2009, 08:21 PM
- 11-19-2009, 02:10 PM
Keep up the good work! Definately some strong legs.
Everyone keeps saying drop all the supps, and eat - while I agree they are probably not needed, if they are helping you stay motivated, go for it. I noticed you mentioned 11-Oxo in there, and are not wanting to use anything hormonal right now. Pretty sure 11-Oxo can be suppressive.
Anyway, it's inspirational to see the turnaround in your life and congrats on your dedication to making the change.
11-19-2009, 04:22 PM
11-20-2009, 05:55 PM
yeah 11-oxo can be suppressive but at a 75mg dose for purely cortisol control its not going to be anabolic in anyway and if it is suppressive it will be so minor that im not worried about it. and ive talked to a few people who are very knowledgeable on the topic of anabolics
11-20-2009, 05:55 PM
11-20-2009, 07:44 PM
good for you man!
I also used to be <120lbs and over the course of a few years years I made it to 160lbs at ~9%bf or so all natural. If i could do it all again I would have waited to start anabolics till much later too. So that is my first attempt to offer help. If i were doing it again I would set a min weight of 165lbs or more for your height before starting anabolics. If you can't get to 165lbs natural at <14%bf then anabolics won't help you.
second, are you slamming 2 weight gainer shakes a day? you are a lean mofo for sure and putting on bf sucks but I bet you will do much better if you completely stop worrying about putting on fat (eating clean of course) and just eat like it's your job. It will be very easy for you to bulk to 165lbs at 13%bf over the next year or two and then run a cut. that's a TON of supps too man, that's nuts!
looks good though, just be patient! gains will taper off!
11-20-2009, 07:48 PM
i havent ever bought a weight gainer i usually just make my own concotions. but right now i can eat enough and still gain without having to rely on shakes. I do have a shake post workout and before bed but other than that i have 4 full meals a day. but i may end up buying one next semester , i have a cool schedule this semester but im gonna be away from my house most of the day next year so ill probably get one then . but i agree with u im sure i can get to 165, itll take awhile but itll be worth it no doubt
11-20-2009, 07:54 PM
and also this month im goin basic on my GDA usage im just going to be using bulk banaba, ALA, and HCA in bulk that is very effective im finding and most people think HCA is only good for fat loss but when u dose it correctly with carb meals of course u get the BG lowering and the lipolytic effects but it doesnt hinder bulking at all. but also on the other hand it would be very good for cutting or just trying to stay lean while bulking which is my goal. I took my first dose of bulk HCA and i would compare it in potency to yellow gold but it has many more effects such as blocking the conversion of carbohydrate to fatty acids but since i took it with ala that activates the glut 4 so it forces the carbs into my muscles where i want them to be. and I feel solid right now so i kno im interested to see how my results compare versus using gbol or ap/pslin. and the bulk hca powder i got a really good deal on from leanbodyformulations.
11-20-2009, 09:01 PM
11-20-2009, 09:15 PM
heres a few things ive dug up so far, ill just paste the summary of the studies
(-)-Hydroxycitric acid (HCA) is an active ingredient extracted from the rind of the Indian fruit Garcinia cambogia. It inhibits adenosine triphosphate citrate lipase
Levels of serum insulin and leptin, as well as the leptin/WAT ratio, were lower in the treated mice than in the control. These findings suggested that G. cambogia extract efficiently improved glucose metabolism and displayed leptin-like activity.
G cambogia reduced abdominal fat accumulation in subjects, regardless of sex, who had the visceral fat accumulation type of obesity. No rebound effect was observed. It is therefore expected that G cambogia may be useful for the prevention and reduction of accumulation of visceral fat.
11-21-2009, 12:26 AM
id say drop cardio period. eat everything possible you shouldnt have a point in the day you arent full to the brim wake up middle of rest to down a weight gainer you gotta have one with all the fing sups maybe instead of all those sups you need to be buying food if your eating plenty and getting enough rest from workouts theres not reason you cant get there even without all these supps thats just insane. left heavy and intense, low volume.
11-22-2009, 04:01 PM
11-22-2009, 04:50 PM
Don't drop to once a week 3x a week! Cardio is super important for apetite and nutrient partioning and optimal blood flow to help with recovery
11-22-2009, 04:52 PM
More importanyly the better your cardio the more intrnse your workouts can be becuase your in better shape.
11-22-2009, 04:52 PM
11-22-2009, 05:50 PM
It is insane but as of right now he just uses the essentials ithers are for later use. Always good to have to trade ect
11-22-2009, 05:53 PM
11-22-2009, 06:22 PM
76 lbs 8 months ago to 126 today... 1st thing i would do is get some blood work... you want to make sure you have proper organ function before you take more sups. It's easy to take chems that make you feel ok but being ok is something wholly different. 50lbs in 8 months is phenomenal weight gain, but must be brought into perspective @ 76lbs your body was starving that's why it packs on pounds so readily now... BUT a starving body shuts down systems to conserve resources, along with muscle loss you lose essential hormone production. I would submit to you that weightloss is not your problem, but rather that its the effect of the problem or cause. It's important to not just change the behavior or true problem but to identify any other effects that hard living may have caused. Sleep deprivation, Starvation, Chemical Self Medication - can result in diabetes, hypoglycemia, cardio-vascular disease, depression anxiety anemia various vitamin deficiencies which can lead to dry joints, osteoporosis, and a weak immune system, which then opens another can of worms.
Gaining a bunch of weight will put more strain on weak bodily systems perhaps highlighting imbalances already present. I'm not trying to neg anyone out just saying you gotta focus on whats not seen before focusing on what is seen. I love you like a play cousin brotha be healthy.
Your fastest weight is your best weight
11-22-2009, 06:46 PM
i appreciate ur concern but believe me i have had just about every test on earth done to me while in and out of the hospital. ekg, sonagram, mri, x-rays, blood tests for everything from hormones, lipids, minerals, u name it i got it tested for the first 5 months once a month after leaving the hospital. i was on an iv for 6 days and they wouldnt release me until they knew for certain every organ in my body checked out. and i still get bloods done once a month for organ functions, lipids etc. and have a hormone panel scheduled in a month or so. but like crazyfool said i may have a ton of supps but i really dont use much more than bcaas, protein, multi, fishoil, a prewo here and there and the same postworkout mix of waxy, BA, creatine and bcaas. outside of that i use a test booster every so often but i hardly think my supplementation is trying to make up for a lack of work ethic, dedication, hard work and consistency because when it comes to my health and fitness thats number one to me. I could understand if i was someone who didnt take the time to plan meals, have a solid routine, always consistent, nd give 100% to my goals; then you could assume i relied to heavily on supplements. and this isnt directed at one person but rather just anyone who llooks at what i have and thinks wow that guy has too much **** and should just focus on lifting and eating. but I treat supplements as what they are, supplementary to a solid lifting, eating and lifestyle
11-22-2009, 07:23 PM
Just a question: if you do not use them frequently, why purchase such an exorbitant amount of supplements? In the last three pictures alone, I counted over thirty-seven different formulas - and several had duplicates. This type of compulsive buying was, more or less, what I was originally alluding to: a compulsive neurosis to buy, store and hoard supplements, and use them in every such combination; even, and sometimes especially, irrespective of how redundant the combination tends to be. I just see it as money spent better elsewhere. But, keep in mind I am not passing judgment, here, I simply "don't get it".
11-22-2009, 07:35 PM
well the powders and stuff are all either protein, bcaas, creatine, BA, cit mal. and for the test boosters, ais, and ph I just bought either when they were on sale so i could use them later or i planned on trying one the next month or something like that. i hardly think i have a huge collection compared to some people that i see pictures of
11-22-2009, 08:03 PM
its good that you're getting everything back in order, body wise i mean.
You have somewhat of an advantage. You're body was starved for so long, and now that its being fed consistently, food is the most anabolic thing you have.
You can definitely get to 150, if not heavier, while staying relatively lean...all naturally.
11-22-2009, 10:12 PM
11-22-2009, 11:36 PM
11-22-2009, 11:52 PM
subbed on this!! Glad to hear you getting you life back on the right track there bud.. I been there before.. been a lazy pothead pill poping couch potatoe..lol.. but seriously good to hear your getting your head right.. oh and holy moly thats a lot of supps!!! and I thought I had alot.. damn
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