I agree...for a name, SuperPump is the best. I think Juggernaut is a little out there

You kind of look like Vin Diesel with your head shaved.

Solid progress by the way. I didn't take the time to read through each page from beginning to end, but I caught things here & there with less then desirable blood tests regarding your T. Hope things are working out and solid work for sure.

Originally Posted by VolcomX311

You kind of look like Vin Diesel with your head shaved.

Solid progress by the way. I didn't take the time to read through each page from beginning to end, but I caught things here & there with less then desirable blood tests regarding your T. Hope things are working out and solid work for sure.

Thanks man!

Update:

Still lifting hard. Changed my routine up a little...doing cardio 25min 3x week now...and supersetting/higher reps on every workout day. I'm working out in the 10-12 rep range.

So far, despite my low-T, I'm up a solid 5lbs or so...the scale shows 187-190lb consistantly. Mirror looks around 10-12% bodyfat.

Final blood test to determine treatment/no treatment for my Low-T levels will be next tuesday.

Hopefully I'll be on 100mg/test or something soon...and then things will get crazy fun lol.I've been dreaming about running another havoc cycle at 6 weeks 40-50mg without any PCT! 200lb at 6% bodyfat isn't too far off....

Originally Posted by monsterbox

Update:

Still lifting hard. Changed my routine up a little...doing cardio 25min 3x week now...and supersetting/higher reps on every workout day. I'm working out in the 10-12 rep range.

So far, despite my low-T, I'm up a solid 5lbs or so...the scale shows 187-190lb consistantly. Mirror looks around 10-12% bodyfat.

Final blood test to determine treatment/no treatment for my Low-T levels will be next tuesday.

Hopefully I'll be on 100mg/test or something soon...and then things will get crazy fun lol.I've been dreaming about running another havoc cycle at 6 weeks 40-50mg without any PCT! 200lb at 6% bodyfat isn't too far off....

sounds good man!
Im looking forward to my X-Tren cycle next...

Great work over the past year. As already stated above, keep your diet in line, eat enough quality foods to feed the machine. At your age I would like to echo the point that you do not need gear to live up to your potential. DIET DIET DIET!!! I know you have seen the fat asses in the gym that work out hard but still fat?! Its because of their diet. Once you do get to the point where you are ready to start gear, make sure you do your research... and who gives a flying nut sack what the oppressive fat monsters of our society think you are doing... hell they probably already assume you are on the sauce....jealousy is a bitter pill

looking solid brah... very nice!

havoc without pct??????? how old are you btw?

brown

I guess you guys haven't read my thread all the way...

"Havoc without PCT" --- would mean, I would be on Testosterone-Replacement-Therapy because I have low testosterone because of a pituitary and varicocele disorder. If I was on TRT, no pct would be needed for any gear as a sustained administration for life of testosterone would be maintained. This isn't necessarily a thing to look forward to when you are 20 years old.

I also believe I "dont need gear for my age". But, when you have testosterone levels in the low 300's and your estradiol in the low teens, TRT is like giving a steak to an ethiopian. As of now, I'm not able to perform "at my age".

you had a great take with havoc what did your pct look like and what where you running havoc at?

Originally Posted by vika808

you had a great take with havoc what did your pct look like and what where you running havoc at?

I've ran havoc twice and I had a terrible attempt with m-drol for a week.

The first time I ran havoc 20/20/30/30 with Tamoxifene Citrate 20/20/20/10. Huge gains, +12-15lbs, PCT sucked....I felt terrible because the SERM murdered my sex drive and well being. I mistakenly thought I was shutdown, but felt great as soon as I dropped the SERM.

Second round I ran 30/30/30...I had to quit early because my arthritis in my right elbow was severely irritated from the dryness of the compound. I gained around 5 solid pounds anyhow. PCT was I-Force Reversitol. SERM on standby.

If/When I ever run havoc again, or any PH for that matter, If i'm not on some sort of TRT, I will certainly run Clomid only for PCT.

I dont care what anyone on these boards say, Clomid destroys every PCT hands down. I've tried Toremifene, Tamoxifene (twice), and AI OTC products. NOTHING compares to clomid IMO. I ran a standalone cycle of Clomid for 10 weeks and even though my test only increased 200ng/dl, I felt like it was substantially working compared to nolvadex/tamoxifene.

Originally Posted by monsterbox

I've ran havoc twice and I had a terrible attempt with m-drol for a week.

The first time I ran havoc 20/20/30/30 with Tamoxifene Citrate 20/20/20/10. Huge gains, +12-15lbs, PCT sucked....I felt terrible because the SERM murdered my sex drive and well being. I mistakenly thought I was shutdown, but felt great as soon as I dropped the SERM.

Second round I ran 30/30/30...I had to quit early because my arthritis in my right elbow was severely irritated from the dryness of the compound. I gained around 5 solid pounds anyhow. PCT was I-Force Reversitol. SERM on standby.

If/When I ever run havoc again, or any PH for that matter, If i'm not on some sort of TRT, I will certainly run Clomid only for PCT.

I dont care what anyone on these boards say, Clomid destroys every PCT hands down. I've tried Toremifene, Tamoxifene (twice), and AI OTC products. NOTHING compares to clomid IMO. I ran a standalone cycle of Clomid for 10 weeks and even though my test only increased 200ng/dl, I felt like it was substantially working compared to nolvadex/tamoxifene.

no that Ive looked more into Havoc/Epi, I want to do a cycle of one of the two, but I already bought some X-Tren, once the ban settles down, I MIGHT get some...same goes for Clomid/Nolva. I already bought Nolva, but after reading and learning so much more I deff want to give Clomid a try

but good info nonetheless.

Wow dude, amazing transformation. This is really motivating me to keep my **** in line.

Update:
Currently started harcore winter bulk. Weighing in between 187.5 and 191lbs. BF probably around 12% +/- 1 I have solid abs, just not visible unless flexed.

Arms are almost 16inches unpumped. Chest is alot fuller, back is really coming out. Front and side delts are getting insanely jacked. Infact, my left shoulder is screwed up from my rapid size increase of the front delt causing an imbalance.

I'm now in the beginning of trt at 100mg of testosterone gel/day and starting hcg this week hopefully.

Hope to run havoc one day soon....I have 4 bottles.

GO HARD

I took a week of last week in attempt to heal some tendonitis in my left shoulder/bicep.

When I returned yesterday, my workout was pretty intense and went well.

However, the DOMS today are unbelieveable!!!!!

Whats the deal.....why are the DOMS so so so much worse after time off? Seems like your muscle would be less sore the next day as they have had a whole week before to retain glucose and repair every fiber.

this happens to me too, i have no idea but it might have to do with muscle memory or your biological clock under stress...DOMS is still a mystery

well regardless of whatever my test levels are...

DB bench today was up to 105lbs DB's for 6 reps
Incline BB was up to 205 for 7 reps (last ones forced)
Flys were 70'sx10!!!!!!!!
Deadlift - 315 for 4 (loosing grip)
Squats - 315 for 5x5
Bench Dips - 180lbs on my lap for 10 reps

Everything has been going up smoothly and my joints feel less creaky. Weight is now at 197lbs at the end of the day on my home scale and 190.5 after my workout at the gym scale (before eating). This is certainly the very first time I've EVER seen the scale hover in the 90's. My abs are barely there...so bodyfat can't be above 12-13%

Both arms are now solid 16inches unpumped. Chest is 46 or 7 can't remember

With the amount of carbs/protein/fat I'm consuming, I should certainly reach 200lbs in the next two months. My waist is getting a little uncontrollable, I can barely cram into my 32inch polo shorts/pants. I'm going to let things go as they wish until my abs are gone...then I'll cut back.


Still thinking about running some havoc daily for about 6 weeks in the near future. Probably a reasonable 30mg and maybe throw some D-Bol on top at 10mg/day for estrogen support.

Holy **** with that last picture I just realized not only are we the same height, you look a lot like me, in face and bone structure anyway.

Well, a younger, less hairy, and way more jacked version of me. Definitely going to be following this more closely as it is giving me a good reference of what different builds are going to look like on me as I get bigger.

Let me ask you, you got a favorite brand/size of Tshirt? I find the larges tend to be way too long and look like I'm wearing a skirt if I have a jacket over them but mediums are too tight in the chest and shoulders. I'm sure you've already figured this out like a year ago, I'm just now getting to the point where the mediums are starting to look bad.

those are some damn nice gains in 13 months even with PH's very nice progress.

Originally Posted by dpfisher

Holy **** with that last picture I just realized not only are we the same height, you look a lot like me, in face and bone structure anyway.

Well, a younger, less hairy, and way more jacked version of me. Definitely going to be following this more closely as it is giving me a good reference of what different builds are going to look like on me as I get bigger.

Let me ask you, you got a favorite brand/size of Tshirt? I find the larges tend to be way too long and look like I'm wearing a skirt if I have a jacket over them but mediums are too tight in the chest and shoulders. I'm sure you've already figured this out like a year ago, I'm just now getting to the point where the mediums are starting to look bad.

actually, considering I started out very small, all my shirts are small.

I like to wear the polo T-shirts...flat color with the horse (not the collar shirt)...small fits me fine. Its not to tight and not to small. Medium is actually too large. It seems like small would be way to small, but polo's mainly differ in length rather than circumference/width.

Other than polo, any regular T shirt I wear is usually a medium. Large is way too long for being 5 7 and medium my arms look awesome.

As far as polo collar's, I fit medium perfectly with the sleeves perfectly gripping my arms. I sometimes cram into my smalls and it just looks insane lol....like I said the only difference in polo's is mainly the length of the shirt and on the collars, its the length of the button/neck area...the sleeves are all the same just about.

Its seriously hard to find things that fit. I'm short, and my arms are short. So, I'm supposed to be wearing smalls...mediums are too long and sleeves come down to my elbows. Larges absolutely swollow me.

haha I have a hard time finding shirt that fit well too, I find large DC tshirt work pretty well and LRG medium. hate when I find a design i like, but the waist level is too wide. Large does not equal fat.

ok guys,

I'm currently on TRT, my T levels are up to 900, and I feel amazing for the very first time EVER. I'm using HCG daily as well.

Heres the deal:
- 4 bottles of havoc sitting in my closet. I got good deals on them and stocked up before the prices tripled.

I want to use them once I get my last blood test on TRT tuned up etc...I wont be tested for 6 months at a time.

I wish to run 4-6 weeks at 30mg/day of havoc and do a little recomp in the next few months. Problem is, I can't handle the dryness on my joints. It may be must easier on my joints now that Ill be on TRT along with havoc. However, what do you guys think about throwing in some Dianabol at 10-20mg on top of havoc to add some wetness.

Havoc binds to the androgen receptor and promotes quality lean gains. Dianabol is much weaker at binding but promotes much more nitrogen retention and endurance type gains. This combination should workout great as the bloat from dbol would oppose the dryness of havoc. The trt would keep all the gains as well.

Any advice?

How long did it take for you to get on TRT, and were did you go? (PM Me) It's kinda odd for a younger guy to be able to get TRT, even if you do truly need it.

Originally Posted by Orangepeel

How long did it take for you to get on TRT, and were did you go? (PM Me) It's kinda odd for a younger guy to be able to get TRT, even if you do truly need it.

took me a good 6-7months to find a doctor that would cooperate, let alone knew anything.

I went to 3 endo's and 3 urologists.

I have a stage III varicocele which I was thinking could have been the problem and I also speculated that it could have been from using havoc...which is stupid to even think at this point, considering I feel so much better on TRT then ever before.


My levels checked out at low 300's and I was turned away because I was on the "medical range"...haha my ass, I met the criteria of a 75 year old. And I was laughed out of their offices for being jacked up in size...


So anyways I went to a doctor in michigan, he's one of the leading physicians....you can follow the yellow brick road from there.

I went on clomid for 10 weeks and it bumped me up to 500's and I felt way better than usual...then things got ****ty again. So, I figure I'm somewhat hypopituitary and hypotesticular. I'm now on HCG and TRT.

Figure I would update...its now the end of winter break.

Been on TRT for a few months now, 300mg/day Gel + 100iu HCG. Despite some adrenal stress/sleeping/anxiety issues I've managed forward progress

Current Weight: 196-200lbs estimated 12-13% (abs barely visible)
Arms Size: Finally solid 16+inches

Deadlift record is up to 365x5
Squat Record is up to 315x6 (below 90 degrees)
Bench is now 225x5 for 5 sets, this is a major major PR. 3 years ago I was repping 115.

Goal remains 200lbs at 8%...this is going to require getting to at least 210-215 at current bf and then cutting.

Good luck dude you have come a long ways bro...
Keep in touch....

I am also on TRT I know a lot of younger guys wo truly need it and are on it.

Originally Posted by Orangepeel

How long did it take for you to get on TRT, and were did you go? (PM Me) It's kinda odd for a younger guy to be able to get TRT, even if you do truly need it.

WOW!Sounds like you are doing quite well and on an excellent protocol.

Originally Posted by monsterbox

Figure I would update...its now the end of winter break.

Been on TRT for a few months now, 300mg/day Gel + 100iu HCG. Despite some adrenal stress/sleeping/anxiety issues I've managed forward progress

Current Weight: 196-200lbs estimated 12-13% (abs barely visible)
Arms Size: Finally solid 16+inches

Deadlift record is up to 365x5
Squat Record is up to 315x6 (below 90 degrees)
Bench is now 225x5 for 5 sets, this is a major major PR. 3 years ago I was repping 115.

Goal remains 200lbs at 8%...this is going to require getting to at least 210-215 at current bf and then cutting.

So you are running cycles again even though your testerone in tuned now?
It is in the 900's no on which scale?

Originally Posted by monsterbox

I guess you guys haven't read my thread all the way...

"Havoc without PCT" --- would mean, I would be on Testosterone-Replacement-Therapy because I have low testosterone because of a pituitary and varicocele disorder. If I was on TRT, no pct would be needed for any gear as a sustained administration for life of testosterone would be maintained. This isn't necessarily a thing to look forward to when you are 20 years old.

I also believe I "dont need gear for my age". But, when you have testosterone levels in the low 300's and your estradiol in the low teens, TRT is like giving a steak to an ethiopian. As of now, I'm not able to perform "at my age".

Originally Posted by may19th2001

So you are running cycles again even though your testerone in tuned now?
It is in the 900's no on which scale?

not running any yet

the ng/dl scale. 250ng/dl-1200ng/dl