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    Wondering what type of antibiotics would be best for persons to keep on-hand to stave off an infection during a cycle? Would Doxycycline or Cipro be good? Or should one go with penicillin? Are there other types?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuffs
    Wondering what type of antibiotics would be best for persons to keep on-hand to stave off an infection during a cycle? Would Doxycycline or Cipro be good? Or should one go with penicillin? Are there other types?
    I've read Dr. D talking about

    Cephalexin (aka Kephlex)
    Penicillin-G (injectable)

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    cephalexin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by size
    cephalexin.
    Did you ever have to use it? Were the results good? And, what is the "triggering" sign to start taking the antibiotics??

    (sorry about all of the questions but, I'm the worry-wart type )

    EDIT: And yes, I know the "lump" should be the triggering sign, lol, but when and how can you differentiate between a knot and an abcess that is forming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00
    Did you ever have to use it? Were the results good? And, what is the "triggering" sign to start taking the antibiotics??

    (sorry about all of the questions but, I'm the worry-wart type )

    EDIT: And yes, I know the "lump" should be the triggering sign, lol, but when and how can you differentiate between a knot and an abcess that is forming.
    talked to a few med guys about this, and checking your body temp is a good way to find out. if you get above 101 degrees, you most likely have an infection. anything below that and your body is naturally fighting it off.

    also, an infection will be warm to the touch and continue to grow larger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00
    Did you ever have to use it? Were the results good? And, what is the "triggering" sign to start taking the antibiotics??
    EDIT: And yes, I know the "lump" should be the triggering sign, lol, but when and how can you differentiate between a knot and an abcess that is forming.
    I never had to use anything. Fever, as mentioned, is a bad sign.
    Typically, if pain and swelling progresses, then this is a signal of a problem. Abcesses require time to develop, so being sore after an injection should not cause panic. If conditions worsen, then concern should rise. If it gets to a point were red lines are developing around the injection site, then go to the hospital.

    Just to note, injections can cause pain, swelling, and redness. This can develop rather quickly. Simply monitored the situation for any changes (+/-).
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    Well, what if the knot has grown to about 6x5 inches, and is slightly warm, and painful, say three days after an inject. Besides the red lines and puss forming, at what point would it be a good time to go to the doc.
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    fever, red streaks like size said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuffs
    Well, what if the knot has grown to about 6x5 inches, and is slightly warm, and painful, say three days after an inject. Besides the red lines and puss forming, at what point would it be a good time to go to the doc.
    ouch! 6 x 5"...that's big...

    what r u pinning?
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    When I stuck dirty needle (1.5x16") into myself (by accident) I went to doctor right away and he prescribed me Penn G (pills). So I guess it will be your best bet. Good luck.
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    If your not allergic to penicillins, Pen G procain injection is good stuff! Cheap, once a day or EOD shot, convenient and effective. Many times, 2 or 3 fat shots is all it takes to knock out an infection. Pen G and Amoxil are good too at 250-500mg x4/d for an oral pen alternative. The cephs are good for soft tissue infections but you have to take them 4 to 6 times a day to really keep blood levels constant. That's very important. That's why I like the shot as I mentioned previously, it's convenient and blood levels stay consistent. Cephs work fast in emergencies. Doxy is good too. Great for clearing up andro acne also, and can be taken at 200mg once a day (or 100mg/12hr) so convenient too. It's not as fast acting as some of the others but very broad spectrum and fairly non-toxic for long term use, also cost effecient. A single 300-400mg dose of doxy can be taken 24hr in advance of an infectious exposure as a good prophylactic to prevent illness, if you can predict high risk possible exposure in your future.
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    I was prescribed Augmentin for a pin infection.

    What about some of the vet. supply brands of anti-biotics?They seem to have it all, and was wondering if it was up to standards.

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    Vets usually have pharma grade peni, ceph, amox, etc...I've bought some for my dog (really)
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    Thanks for the info DR. D. Invaluable to say the least. The sticky idea would be a great resource. Now all we need is for someone to come out with antibiotic RC's.
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    About vet anti-B's, they have helped my fish, dogs, and swine come back to life many times! Quality is still excessively high when compared to the USP requirements for sterility and potency of human meds, often identical on most tests. So I don't know if we'll ever see it as an RC commodity, if not, I've never had any probs with common vet brands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DR.D
    Shiii bro... just shoot me a PM anytime. If you ever get into trouble, chances are I've been there too and can help. I guess I should probably just make an anti-biotic thread or sticky for people to reference. It's like nolva and gyno, don't do an injection without it! Just have some ready in case.
    It would be great to have a sticky with not only antibiotic info but the types of infections with pics, and good standard practices to prevent infection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by willieman
    It would be great to have a sticky with not only antibiotic info but the types of infections with pics, and good standard practices to prevent infection.

    We will work on this but it will take a little time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by size
    You can do this now if you want and post it. we can add a disclaimer and then stick it.

    I am sure I can find some nasty abscess photos if people really want to see some but it may make one think twice before inejcting,
    OK, that sounds good. You can round up some photos, because thinking twice is a good thing! Even if they still elect to inject, I bet those second thoughts improve their septic habits and make them keep some anti-B's on hand, just in case.
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    WARNING
    Abscess photos below








    6 reasons to be careful
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    I believe that far left image is Greg Valentino's blown out bicep (too much synthol I suppose.)

    Now, honestly...wouldn't you have to be a complete moron to let your abcess get as bad as those images above?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00
    I believe that far left image is Greg Valentino's blown out bicep (too much synthol I suppose.)
    wouldn't you have to be a complete moron to let your abcess get as bad as those images above?
    Yes it is Valentino.

    When many people have bad injections, they wait and hope that it will get better. So if you follow this protocol of wait and hope, the abscess has more time to develop.
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    Ahh...they'd must've waited for a couple of weeks, huh? Those are pretty bad.

    I've got some amox on hand, but I'm definately going to get some ceph, and maybe some peni-g...those pics are too much!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00
    Ahh...they'd must've waited for a couple of weeks, huh? Those are pretty bad.
    Not a couple of weeks, probably a couple of days(5-7). If the infection is allowed to linger, then more serious health issues are likely.

    If it gets really bad, you could to use maggots to remove the necrotic tissue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by size
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    If it gets really bad, you could to use maggots to remove the necrotic tissue.
    Did somebody say experiment?
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    Quote Originally Posted by size
    cephalexin.
    Size or Dr. D what would be the dosing schedule with this?
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    I am not a physician so this is just general information.
    I believe cephalexin comes in 250mg and 500mg capsules. If infection was my concern, I would take a minimum 1000-1500mg spread over the course of a day.

    Consult with your doctor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by size
    I am not a physician so this is just general information.
    I believe cephalexin comes in 250mg and 500mg capsules. If infection was my concern, I would take a minimum 1000-1500mg spread over the course of a day.
    I understand. And you would only need it for a day? If not how many?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LCSULLA
    I understand. And you would only need it for a day? If not how many?
    No. You would need to continue to take it until the infection cleared. The intial dosages should be higher than what I mentioned above but as time went on I would reduce to those levels.

    Someone else will know more about this, I am certain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by size
    I am not a physician so this is just general information.
    I believe cephalexin comes in 250mg and 500mg capsules. If infection was my concern, I would take a minimum 1000-1500mg spread over the course of a day.
    Size is correct about the ceph. If you take every 4hr as you should, then 250mg is usually good and yields 1.5g/d, but if you do it sloppy only every 6hr, then take 500mg to give a total of 2g/d. Plus, always take a double with your initial dose. An anti-B course is generally 1 or 2 weeks or even months sometimes. 10days is usually effective in my experience for most apps. Don't stop prematurely. Keep going for a few days even after you think your better.

    I promise I'll get something together very soon as far as a sticky goes. Thanx for the patience guys.
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    Size and Dr. D - what is the most likely cause of abcesses? Is it bacteria in the solution?
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    I am willing to bet the most common cause is lack of sterility with injection techniques. Or maybe improper filtration technique? Or not enough BA/BB? I am curious too.

    I have had "gear flu" and it seems to be more a reaction to the BA, but not something that would cause an actual abcess. A bit annoying when your whole tricep and forearm swell up for a week at the first part of a cycle. Makes benching tough =D

    I can't wait to see the doc's writeup on this.

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    If anti-biotics are used during a cycle, would using pro-biotics help restore friendly bacteria since anti-biotics kill good and bad bacteria ?
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    How much amoxicilina would you take if you had an abcess? I believe Doc said it was 250 - 500mg 4xs a day is that correct?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CROWLER
    How much amoxicilina would you take if you had an abcess? I believe Doc said it was 250 - 500mg 4xs a day is that correct?
    bump the amox

    I've got a ****load sitting at my house.

    My g/f als has a HUGE thing of penicillin VX...what the hell is VX? (Her dad is a dentist so he writes scripts for all kinds of crap to keep around the house.)
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    If we're on the topic I just got a nasty ear infection on cycle - should I quit the cycle (I will be prescribed antibiotics) or continue with the Anti's or use something else?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmh80
    Size and Dr. D - what is the most likely cause of abcesses? Is it bacteria in the solution?
    Usually not, but it can occur with suspensions or if you don't swab the vial septum and dust gets in the vial with the needle penetration. Not swabbing the skin for at least 15sec is up there on the list. Also, foreign proteins can cause fever and look like an infection. This is from cotton usually, or unsterile homebrews or dirty/cheap commercial gear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DR.D
    Usually not, but it can occur with suspensions or if you don't swab the vial septum and dust gets in the vial with the needle penetration. Not swabbing the skin for at least 15sec is up there on the list. Also, foreign proteins can cause fever and look like an infection. This is from cotton usually, or unsterile homebrews or dirty/cheap commercial gear.

    WOW I did not know you were suppose to swab for 15 seconds. Damn the little alcohol pads would be lint by then. But I do use antibacterial soap and was the entire area for about 20 seconds followed by rubbing the area with 1 alcohol pad then opening another one and rub the area again.

    Dr. I have always wondered if you should cover the rubber stopper between shots. It just seems that all sorts of bacteria would land on it. I wipe it 2 or 3 times with an alcohol wipe, is that enough?
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    An abscess can develop for different reasons. The major reason in my opinion is "dirty" products. Contamination can definitely be an issue. For this reason, amps are nice; one usage and done. If using vials, I know people like to draw with big needles but this causes more trama to the stopper so be careful. However, I should add that I believe cellulitis is much more often the case rather than an abscess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Warrior
    If anti-biotics are used during a cycle, would using pro-biotics help restore friendly bacteria since anti-biotics kill good and bad bacteria ?
    Yes, yogurt or acidophylus powder work to combat this problem very well
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    Quote Originally Posted by CROWLER
    How much amoxicilina would you take if you had an abcess? I believe Doc said it was 250 - 500mg 4xs a day is that correct?
    Yes, exactly, but take a double dose for the very first one
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