"advanced yohimbine complex 9mg"- (yohimbine HCL, 11-hydroxy yohimbine)

Yeah that's what I was saying...now that I think about it though...I may have been thinking about ephedra that was standardized to 8% ephedrine...ah hell I can't remember...hahahaha

Originally Posted by elementrip

"advanced yohimbine complex 9mg"- (yohimbine HCL, 11-hydroxy yohimbine)

That's what you want...9mg yohimbine...When I use yohimbine before my fasted AM cardio I use 10 - 15mg 30 minutes prior...

dropped the asiprin because, after a talk with dave barr, i realized that asprin really wasn't extending the effects of the stack whatsoever. gonna give yohimbe a shot.

The total amount you can buy depends on your state. Here in PA its 6 grams at a time. Thats daily!

1) as others said, spring for yohimBINE, not yohimBE. Yohimbe gives people nasty flu like symptoms frequently.

2) the effectiveness of ephedrine has very little to do with its subjective adrenal (stimulant) effect. You need to base your dose off what works in regards to your goals. I, too, enjoy the stim effect but it is not necessary to achieve fat loss. I'd guess 2x15mg per day would work well, one dose in the AM and one at noon maybe. But if you base the fat loss goal dosage on tolerance to the stimulant feeling, you will be up to 2x60mg in no time! Been there done that.

Originally Posted by conwict

1) as others said, spring for yohimBINE, not yohimBE. Yohimbe gives people nasty flu like symptoms frequently.

2) the effectiveness of ephedrine has very little to do with its subjective adrenal (stimulant) effect. You need to base your dose off what works in regards to your goals. I, too, enjoy the stim effect but it is not necessary to achieve fat loss. I'd guess 2x15mg per day would work well, one dose in the AM and one at noon maybe. But if you base the fat loss goal dosage on tolerance to the stimulant feeling, you will be up to 2x60mg in no time! Been there done that.

Agreed! And high doses are dangerous and detrimental over long durations of time

What people need to learn how to do is log their food intake and measure results (waist measurements, visual, bodyfat%, whatever) weekly...then figure out how the ephedrine or other supps are effecting them. The only way to know how well a supp works for you, or how to take it, is to adjust and log.

What if it takes 37.5 mg to get the appetite suppression effect?

What if someone tried 25 mg/200/81 3x per day and that didn't do anything for appetite but 37.5 mg/200/81 destroyed appetite?

Is this still within the reasonable range for ECA?

What other precautions does one want to consider taking? I understand it's wise to always maintain superior hydration on ECA.

Also, what about using benadryl at night, both for sleep and to keep receptors popping? What do those doses look like? Is that done during or after ECA?

For purely informational purposes only, of course.

Well in all reality its YOUR BODY... judge by how you feel... Now I wouldnt go much over 100mg of Ephedrine a day but right around there isnt too bad but if you run it for a long time it could be... just judge your tolerance bro

New guy here.

And new to the ECA stack. Just started last sunday. Starting at 12.5E + 200C, 3 times a day. Im starting to build a tolerance and will up my doses to 25mg + 200C 2 times a day starting tomorrow.



Im 6'0 185 with about 18-20% body fat. 2 months ago I was 215lb maybe 30% bf. I have some concerns with the EC stack and muscle loss. So ill be taking the stack about an hour after a meal.

My schedule:

7 am - wake up
730 - Eat breakfast 1 scoop whey isolate + 1/2 cup oatmeal blended.
845 - EC stack
9- weight lift
1030 - 2 scoops whey + 1 large banana + 1 nonfat yogurt
1pm - lunch (300 cal usually low carb/ hi protein)
145pm - EC stack
2pm - cardio
3pm - 1 scoop whey + 1 tbsp pb
6pm - dinner 40 grams protein low carb
9pm - 2 scoops whey.



Im kinda paranoid with the muscle loss. Maybe im dwelling on it too much. And one other reason why Im dosing the stack after a breakfast is because I want it to be more potent right when I hit the weights.

Would appreaciate some feedback. And I hope to learn allot here.

Originally Posted by indacut

New guy here.

And new to the ECA stack. Just started last sunday. Starting at 12.5E + 200C, 3 times a day. Im starting to build a tolerance and will up my doses to 25mg + 200C 2 times a day starting tomorrow.



Im 6'0 185 with about 18-20% body fat. 2 months ago I was 215lb maybe 30% bf. I have some concerns with the EC stack and muscle loss. So ill be taking the stack about an hour after a meal.

My schedule:

7 am - wake up
730 - Eat breakfast 1 scoop whey isolate + 1/2 cup oatmeal blended.
845 - EC stack
9- weight lift
1030 - 2 scoops whey + 1 large banana + 1 nonfat yogurt
1pm - lunch (300 cal usually low carb/ hi protein)
145pm - EC stack
2pm - cardio
3pm - 1 scoop whey + 1 tbsp pb
6pm - dinner 40 grams protein low carb
9pm - 2 scoops whey.



Im kinda paranoid with the muscle loss. Maybe im dwelling on it too much. And one other reason why Im dosing the stack after a breakfast is because I want it to be more potent right when I hit the weights.

Would appreaciate some feedback. And I hope to learn allot here.

if youre worried about muscle loss looking into leucine or bcaa's.
Or also cortisol control.(supress-c,lean fx,lean xtreme, endoamp max) The cort products will actually prob increase the fatloss, as well as not let cort damage ur muscle. Id take Bcaa's and Leucine with this as well.

Originally Posted by indacut

New guy here.

And new to the ECA stack. Just started last sunday. Starting at 12.5E + 200C, 3 times a day. Im starting to build a tolerance and will up my doses to 25mg + 200C 2 times a day starting tomorrow.



Im 6'0 185 with about 18-20% body fat. 2 months ago I was 215lb maybe 30% bf. I have some concerns with the EC stack and muscle loss. So ill be taking the stack about an hour after a meal.

My schedule:

7 am - wake up
730 - Eat breakfast 1 scoop whey isolate + 1/2 cup oatmeal blended.
845 - EC stack
9- weight lift
1030 - 2 scoops whey + 1 large banana + 1 nonfat yogurt
1pm - lunch (300 cal usually low carb/ hi protein)
145pm - EC stack
2pm - cardio
3pm - 1 scoop whey + 1 tbsp pb
6pm - dinner 40 grams protein low carb
9pm - 2 scoops whey.



Im kinda paranoid with the muscle loss. Maybe im dwelling on it too much. And one other reason why Im dosing the stack after a breakfast is because I want it to be more potent right when I hit the weights.

Would appreaciate some feedback. And I hope to learn allot here.

Congratulations on the BMI decline. I hope to achieve similar results over the next few months.

Regarding ECA and muscle loss, the evidence suggests, at least in extreme calorie restriction (1k daily), that ECA actually helps promote a very high percentage of your weight loss being fat (85% fat on ECA+calorie restriction, 50% on placebo+calorie restriction) relative to normal calorie restriction.

I've got less than 50 posts and so cannot post links, but here is a quote from the study:

Astrup also later conducted the first long-term (24 weeks), high sample (180 participants) study on the
efficacy of E + C on obese patients on a 1000 kcal/day diet (10-12), and found that E + C 20 mg/200 mg
three times per day for 24 weeks resulted in weight loss modestly but significantly greater than placebo
(16.6 kg vs. 13.2 kg). Interestingly, this study also demonstrated that E + C dramatically spared muscle
catabolism, and that approximately 85% of the weight loss was due to loss in fat mass, compared with 50%
of weight loss in placebo (10).

Whether this is due to ECA increasing energy (which helps with exercise) and controlling appetite probably can't be accounted for in this or any other feasible study.

PM me if you'd like a link to the study, I can't post links with less than 50 postcount.

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Hey guys, I'm new here but when ephedra was legal I use to take it all the time. I was able to safely take 100mg and feel fine. Sometimes I'd get dizzy but I was usually good. Im not a bodybuilder but a basketball player and I was 6'6 at 230 and could jump out the gym. Im trying now to lose 30-40lbs to get there again and started taking Bronkaid a few months ago. Now I take 4pills at once an hour before playing along with a 5hour energy. I was thinking of upping it to 5 pills. Anyone take 5 pills at once? Really, 4 at once hit me ok, not as hard as the real stuff a few years ago but pretty close. Then again maybe my size gives me more tolerance than most people and my endurance is still pretty good.

I just started not too long ago. And by doing 1 pill every 4 hours is plenty for me. Infact I cant wait to get off of the EC stack. But the results are amazing.


I dont know how your able to handle so much for so long. I think your running on the dangerous side with that amount.

Sometimes it doesnt even hit me that hard. Yesterday I got in some in some carbs so I hope my energy level is high today. It usually doesnt hit really hard but does last a good 4 hours. I use to take that much all the time but now I just do it 3-4 times a week. Im just wondering if Im getting used to it and need a little more to feel it.

Originally Posted by C5natie

Sometimes it doesnt even hit me that hard. Yesterday I got in some in some carbs so I hope my energy level is high today. It usually doesnt hit really hard but does last a good 4 hours. I use to take that much all the time but now I just do it 3-4 times a week. Im just wondering if Im getting used to it and need a little more to feel it.

I'd be extremely hesitant to continually up the dosage of ECA. Dosing ECA carries risks of heart problems, and getting it through Bronkaid means that you're going to get a ton of Guaifenesin, which exposes you to other risks like kidney stones.

Originally Posted by Indacut

I just started not too long ago. And by doing 1 pill every 4 hours is plenty for me. Infact I cant wait to get off of the EC stack. But the results are amazing.


I dont know how your able to handle so much for so long. I think your running on the dangerous side with that amount.

I would have to agree. I get occasional jitters and some lovely anxiety from just 1 Bronkaid every 4 hours, but it absolutely kills my appetite so I eat only what I need for nutrition.

Originally Posted by C5natie

started taking Bronkaid a few months ago.

I would discontinue usage for a few weeks!

Ephedrine is a great way to boost yourself for the gym or drop a good amount of weight but its highly suggested that you cycle it. For example most people will take it for a month and then take a few weeks off before taking it again.

The reason you dont want to take it for longer periods of time is that is damages your receptors, taking time off rejuvenates them so you can continue to achieve results from ephedrine

I guess I can try that. I'll start by giving myself a few days to recover. I remember when I use to take ephedra all the time the effects allways felt good and that was taking it everyday almost. Dont get me wrong, I dont abuse it, just enough for energy while feeling safe. Ive been drinking more water and green tea too to help get the guaifenesin out of my system. I guess taking longer breaks in the week will help, plus it'll help keep my knees fresh.

Originally Posted by C5natie

I guess I can try that. I'll start by giving myself a few days to recover. I remember when I use to take ephedra all the time the effects allways felt good and that was taking it everyday almost. Dont get me wrong, I dont abuse it, just enough for energy while feeling safe. Ive been drinking more water and green tea too to help get the guaifenesin out of my system. I guess taking longer breaks in the week will help, plus it'll help keep my knees fresh.

well another good idea is to take benedryl for 7 days every 3-4 weeks, one at night before bed. Refreshes the receptors

Originally Posted by FlawedGrunt

well another good idea is to take benedryl for 7 days every 3-4 weeks, one at night before bed. Refreshes the receptors

Interesting, I hadn't heard that before. Just ECA or other receptors as well?

Benedryl huh? Intresting, I'll try it. BTW, Ive been takin Bronkaid now for about 4 months. I think it was around 4-5 months ago that I weighed myself at the doctor and I was 319, the heaviest Ive ever been but since Im 6'6 you couldnt really tell. I weighed my self today after a workout with socks and clothes on, 254lbs, so pretty close to 250, in just a few months. With a low carb high protein diet that stuff works miracles.

Correction: sorry guys, my last weigh in a few months ago was 280lbs and 317 a year ago. So thats 70lbs in a year and 30 in the last few months. An average of around 8lbs or so a month. Not too bad.

Originally Posted by lpflyer88

dropped the asiprin because, after a talk with dave barr, i realized that asprin really wasn't extending the effects of the stack whatsoever. gonna give yohimbe a shot.

WHAT IS ASPRIN FOR?

Will I be able to loose 1.5% Bf in around 8 days? I'll be doing E/C and eviscerate. My cals will be no more than 1500 per day with less than 20g carb except on refeed day. I'll be lifting and then cardio on rest day.

Why not use pseudoephedrine HCL (generic Sudafed, no Guaifenesin)? You can get it at CVS, Walgreens, Walmart.

Does it not give the same or similar effects and results as Ephedrine Sulfate?

Originally Posted by ahsswimmaster

Will I be able to loose 1.5% Bf in around 8 days? I'll be doing E/C and eviscerate. My cals will be no more than 1500 per day with less than 20g carb except on refeed day. I'll be lifting and then cardio on rest day.

Depends on starting BF%. When I'm over 13% I can do that no problem with ECA.

Originally Posted by indacut

New guy here.

And new to the ECA stack. Just started last sunday. Starting at 12.5E + 200C, 3 times a day. Im starting to build a tolerance and will up my doses to 25mg + 200C 2 times a day starting tomorrow.



Im 6'0 185 with about 18-20% body fat. 2 months ago I was 215lb maybe 30% bf. I have some concerns with the EC stack and muscle loss. So ill be taking the stack about an hour after a meal.

My schedule:

7 am - wake up
730 - Eat breakfast 1 scoop whey isolate + 1/2 cup oatmeal blended.
845 - EC stack
9- weight lift
1030 - 2 scoops whey + 1 large banana + 1 nonfat yogurt
1pm - lunch (300 cal usually low carb/ hi protein)
145pm - EC stack
2pm - cardio
3pm - 1 scoop whey + 1 tbsp pb
6pm - dinner 40 grams protein low carb
9pm - 2 scoops whey.



Im kinda paranoid with the muscle loss. Maybe im dwelling on it too much. And one other reason why Im dosing the stack after a breakfast is because I want it to be more potent right when I hit the weights.

Would appreaciate some feedback. And I hope to learn allot here.

A little update everyone. This is my last week on the EC stack. This will be my 8th week. At the 6 week point I took a 2 day break. I weigh about 173 lbs. My bf has gone down to atleast 14-16%. Im still going to cut but not with the EC stack. Atleast for a month. I got really good results and I could of cut down allot more but I paid real close attention my diet and only went a few hundred calories deficient from my maintenance, making sure I wouldnt lose muscle.

Im going to be taking bendryl starting next week, for a week strait to refresh my receptors. Anyone know how much I should take a night?