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    Sustanon 300 and anadrol winter bulk!


    On monday this week i started my winter bulk. Ill be pinning 150mg Sustanon 300 EOD for a total of 16 weeks. Mon wed fri sun one week then tues thurs and sat the next. That equates to 600mg one week and 450mg the next then repeat. i also have 50 tabs of anadrol which i also started on monday. i will be dosing these at one tab daily for the first two weeks and then two per day the last two weeks or so until theyre finished. Im trying to source some injectable winstrol for the last six weeks but all depending on availability. This is my first injectable cycle as i have been all natty up untill this point. I am currently ramping up my calories to around 3000 - 3500 per day by sunday this week. My stats are 180 lbs (82kg) 14% BF and about a year back training (Had surgery on my back last year and was out for quite awhile)and about two years training before my surgery. Ill be following a FST-7 style training routine. Ill be dosing erase to try and eliminate bloat and any excess estrogen and if that doesnt work i have armidex on hand ( i have three bottles of erase on hand so i might as well use them ). For PCT ill be doing clomid at 100/50/50/25 as awell as endosurge and if i didnt use armidex throughout cycle to combat sides ill use that up during PCT to reduce estrogen rebound. Anyone see any problems with my layout?? Ill try to update daily with workouts and calories. ill try to get some starting pics up at some point over the next few days.
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    Day Five
    Shoulders and traps
    Dumbbell shoulder press
    70s x 9 x 8 x 6 drop 55s x 5 drop 45s x 3

    Alternating dumbbell front raise
    35s x 10 x 10 x 10 drop 25s x 8

    Reverse Cable flyes
    40 per side x 8 x 6
    30per side x 13

    Side lateral raises
    25s x 10 x 10 x 10 x 8
    20s x 10 x 8 x 6

    Barbell Shrugs
    225 x 10 x 10 x 10

    Dumbbell shrugs
    100 x 10 x 10 x 10 x 10 x 10 x 10 x 10

    All in all considering i only had four hours sleep after a 13 hour night shift last night i think todays workout went quite well. Calories for the day were 2934. Felt sick off eating this much food in a 8 hour window but i didnt get out of bed till 130pm and will be in bed before 10pm. its my third injection today and my delts are still quite sore so ill have to get my girlfriend to stick it in the glutes. no sides as of yet but im up 3lbs since monday which is probably just a bit of water and glycogen.
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    This should be in the TRT section.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DetroitHammer
    This should be in the TRT section.
    Hey umm i dont mean to sound like a douche but why would it be in TRT when it's not being used for TRT?? 600mgs a week is a bit high for a TRT dose lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post
    Hey umm i dont mean to sound like a douche but why would it be in TRT when it's not being used for TRT?? 600mgs a week is a bit high for a TRT dose lol
    When you break it down it's weak. I did a complete breakdown in one of these threads a few weeks ago. You'd be much better off with some combination of Test E and Test Prop, dumping the ester-heavy sustanon. Don't forget that Sustanon was developed for TRT patients who were too lazy to inject once a week, so they "invented" a c ocktail of short/very long esters that would give the patient a little bit of test pinning once a month. You'll eventually build up some depot and start to have a TRT+ level of test, but nothing to get excited about. You're basically living off the prop EOD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DetroitHammer

    When you break it down it's weak. I did a complete breakdown in one of these threads a few weeks ago. You'd be much better off with some combination of Test E and Test Prop, dumping the ester-heavy sustanon. Don't forget that Sustanon was developed for TRT patients who were too lazy to inject once a week, so they "invented" a c ocktail of short/very long esters that would give the patient a little bit of test pinning once a month. You'll eventually build up some depot and start to have a TRT+ level of test, but nothing to get excited about. You're basically living off the prop EOD.
    Yeah I'm not a big fan of the multi ester test blends but since I'm working in quite a remote area it's not that easy to get your hands on much. I was chasing test e for a few months before finally settling on sus. I know it's weak due to the ester weight in it but that's why I decided to go for a 16 week cycle instead of the 12 weeks most people go by. I know there's 74mg of ester in 1ml sus250 but I can't seem to find the ester breakdown of sus300. Even if it's as high as 100mg per 300mg I'll still be getting 400mg of test right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post
    Yeah I'm not a big fan of the multi ester test blends but since I'm working in quite a remote area it's not that easy to get your hands on much. I was chasing test e for a few months before finally settling on sus. I know it's weak due to the ester weight in it but that's why I decided to go for a 16 week cycle instead of the 12 weeks most people go by. I know there's 74mg of ester in 1ml sus250 but I can't seem to find the ester breakdown of sus300. Even if it's as high as 100mg per 300mg I'll still be getting 400mg of test right?
    Yes and no. Without breaking it down (I'm just too lazy at the moment) you'll get the bulk with the prop for the two days, then live off the next injection for the prop. So the longer estered test will eventually build up over time, but it's the prop that'll give you what you need. In other words, if you only did one injection a week, you'd get your high on Monday and Tuesday, then taper off dramatically until next Monday. So if you broke it down to let's say 300 Sust = 170 suspension (I'm just making this number up) you'd get maybe 120 on Monday and Tuesday, and only 50 the rest of the week. With your frequent injections, you'd compensate for the tapering off. You'll be fine, I just really dislike Sustanon, but given your situation I'd do the same thing.

    Just curious, you're not in the Outback working, are you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DetroitHammer

    Yes and no. Without breaking it down (I'm just too lazy at the moment) you'll get the bulk with the prop for the two days, then live off the next injection for the prop. So the longer estered test will eventually build up over time, but it's the prop that'll give you what you need. In other words, if you only did one injection a week, you'd get your high on Monday and Tuesday, then taper off dramatically until next Monday. So if you broke it down to let's say 300 Sust = 170 suspension (I'm just making this number up) you'd get maybe 120 on Monday and Tuesday, and only 50 the rest of the week. With your frequent injections, you'd compensate for the tapering off. You'll be fine, I just really dislike Sustanon, but given your situation I'd do the same thing.

    Just curious, you're not in the Outback working, are you?
    Yeah I figured that the short esters would be where i would get most from but in running the longer cycle I thought it would give enough time to let the longer esters to build up in my blood and start doing their thing

    Not quite the outback but it's not that far off. I'm in a mining town that's about 150miles away from the nearest decent town / city on the coast.
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    Day six
    Today was arm day. Had a good session but I forgot that the gym was only open 3 hours so I had to cut it short. Got through most of it tho except I only got four sets out of seven done for biceps.
    Weighted dips
    90 x 6
    65 x 8
    45 x 12
    Bw x 15

    Seated overhead dumbbell extension
    90 x 10 x 8
    85 x 9

    Single arm laying dumbbell ext
    30 x 5
    25 x 8
    20 x 12

    V bar pushdowns
    145 x 13 x 11 x 10 x 8
    130 x 10 x 9 x 8

    EZ bar curls
    Bar + 65 x 11 x 7
    55 x 9
    45 x 12

    Dumbbell hammer curls
    35s x 8
    25s x 12 x 8

    Cable crossover double biceps
    Plate 7 x 12 x 12 x 10 x 8

    Diet was on point today around 3200 cals. 300g protein 200g carbs and 130g fats. No pin today. No sides as of yet. Probably just a placebo but I'm feeling quite good when i get in the gym. Aggression towards lifting has gone up but thats probably just a mental thing.
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    hey man!! I just got finished wid the final review. I will keep an eye on here. Keep the good work up

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    Day seven
    Leg day.

    Squats
    285 x 7
    265 x 8
    245 x 7
    225 x 12 drop 135 x 10

    Walking dumbbell lunges
    55s x 9 x 8
    50s x 9

    Leg press
    350 x 12 x 12 x 12 kept these light and focused on explosive movement up with a slow negative down

    Leg extension
    Plate 5 from 10 x 12 x 12 x 11 x 10 x 7
    Plate 4 from ten x 12 x 12 my quads were toasted I actually had trouble walking upstairs to the cardio area lol.

    STiff legged deadlift
    135 x 12 x 10 x 10

    Standing calve raise
    200 x 12 x 10 x 9

    Seated calve raise
    175 x 16 x 15 x 15 x 14 x 15 x 12 x 10

    Went upstairs and did 15 mins of walking on the treadmill. I find that the DOMS is nowhere near as bad if I do this after leg day. Im
    Going to ve quite sore tomorrow due to not doing legs the last week and a half. Calories were 2999 today 300g protein 225g carbs 100g fats. I did miss a meal due to sleeping in to 1030. Might try and eat a bit more before bed tonight. Pinned 150mg of sus and took 1 anadrol tab. Am starting to get a few pimples but nothing really notable at this point. I'm quite surprised that I haven't started to bloat as of yet from the anadrol. From what I've read it gets quite bad quite quick. Maybe I'm just not prone to it ??
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    Quote Originally Posted by zubda345
    hey man!! I just got finished wid the final review. I will keep an eye on here. Keep the good work up
    Thanks for following bro. Yeah I read your review. Glad you enjoyed it.
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    Above are my starting pics. Still a bit fat for my liking but it's winter here and no one except those following will see me without a shirt lol. got plenty of time for this cycle, pct and a cut before summer
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    I'm in for the ride..
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    Quote Originally Posted by ozHarris
    I'm in for the ride..
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    Thanks for joining bro!
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    Day 8
    Weight unknown. I'll probably do weekly updates on weight . Fasted first thing in the morning.
    Chest day.
    Flat dumbbell press
    90s x 9 x 7 x 6
    80s x 10 drop 45s x 5

    Incline dumbbell chest press
    80s x 5 PR! Was feeling strong. Didn't think I'd actually get them up.
    70s x 6 x 8 drop 45s x 6

    Incline barbell bench press
    135 x 10 x 10 x 10 I didn't have a spotter and the smith machines were taken. I focussed on explosive upwards movement and a slow negative.

    Flat press machine
    135 x 6 x 7 x 5
    Superset
    Pec deck
    70 x 4
    60 x 10 x 8

    High pulley cable flyes
    50 x 13 x 13 x 12 x 9 x 8 x 8 x 5
    My cheat was toast after this.

    I have the worst DOMS today in my quads. I'm actually crippled lol.
    Diet was good today. I had to rely on some shakes I made with whey, oats, natty PB and banana because I had to travel 3 hours to hand over a contract and then drive 3 hours back so I had two of these. 3196 calories 256g protein 236g carbs and 135 g fats.
    I think I might be getting the crappy feeling from the anadrol. During the day I kept just feeling like crap. Only lasted about 30 mins on and off during the day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post
    Above are my starting pics. Still a bit fat for my liking but it's winter here and no one except those following will see me without a shirt lol. got plenty of time for this cycle, pct and a cut before summer
    Yeah u got time.. Take it easy

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    I'm not in any great rush to get cut at the moment. If I can get some winstrol I might run that for the last 4-6 weeks but if I can't I'll probably do an 8 week cut start of November.
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    Day nine
    Off day. Pinned 150mg sus300 and took one anadrol tablet. Today was an unplanned off day. Was supposed to hit back but I'm having serious trouble with mobility after legs two days ago. If I'm going to go through this after every week I take off I might not actually take another week off... Ever! Will make up the back session on thursday or Friday. Calories are a bit high for an off day but I didnt decide not to go until about 2pm. 2760 calories 298g protein 136g carbs 104g fats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post
    Day nine
    Off day. Pinned 150mg sus300 and took one anadrol tablet. Today was an unplanned off day. Was supposed to hit back but I'm having serious trouble with mobility after legs two days ago. If I'm going to go through this after every week I take off I might not actually take another week off... Ever! Will make up the back session on thursday or Friday. Calories are a bit high for an off day but I didnt decide not to go until about 2pm. 2760 calories 298g protein 136g carbs 104g fats.
    Usually after about 2 sessions or even skipping one legs session, one has problems with his mobility, and it might make one think that he's not gonna take off days again but infact off days are good. I remember I used to hate off days, well I still do, but I now know that taking off days is also good for the body, it makes the body come again more strong.
    I know that u know all this, but just to remind u again that u WILL need REST week! :P U can't stay away from that

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    Quote Originally Posted by zubda345

    Usually after about 2 sessions or even skipping one legs session, one has problems with his mobility, and it might make one think that he's not gonna take off days again but infact off days are good. I remember I used to hate off days, well I still do, but I now know that taking off days is also good for the body, it makes the body come again more strong.
    I know that u know all this, but just to remind u again that u WILL need REST week! :P U can't stay away from that
    Yeah true but I'm thinking instead of actually taking a week off like I do every 16 weeks or so I might just deload for a week and lift half of what I normally do. My next planned week off is the first week of pct in sept so I'll try deloading then and see if it helps. It's three days after my legs session and I'm still hobbling around.
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    Day ten.
    No pin today
    Weight 187!! WTF! I weighed in yesterday at 178? Confused.
    Had a long 13 hour day at work and was absolutely FOCKED when I got home. It really showed in the gym too. Thought I'd give me legs another day to heal before I hit back.
    Arm day
    Ez bar curls
    Bar + 70 x 10 x 7
    Bar + 55 x 9
    Bar + 45 x 12

    Seated alternating dumbbell curls
    30s x 11 x 9 x 7 drop 25s x 5

    Cable rope curls
    60 x 14 x 12 x 10 x 9 x 8
    50 x 14 x 12

    Smith close grip bench
    135 x 9 x 6
    110 x 10 x 8

    Dumbbell overhead extensions
    90 x 8 ( I can usually push these around for a few sets but not today)
    70 x 14 x 13 ( went light and just concentrated on ROM )

    Straight bar cable pushdowns
    110 x 14 x 13 x 13 x 11 x 8
    100 x 14 x 13

    I'd had enough after this I was pale with massive bags under my eyes.
    3084 calories for the day. 343g protein 212g carbs and 95g fats. My proteins always higher while I'm at work as I have to rely on premade shakes etc.
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    Day 11
    Pinned 150mg sus. Took 1 anadrol tab.
    Weight 182
    Back day.

    Hammer grip chins
    Bw + 25 x 10 x 6
    Bw + 15 x 8

    Wide grip chins
    Bw x 8 x 6 + 2 negatives x 6 + 2 negatives

    T bar rows
    175 x 9 x 10 x 11

    Bent over rows
    175 x 4
    155 x 8
    145 x 10 x 9

    Straight arm pulldowns
    150 x 7
    140 x 8
    120 x 12 x 11 x 8
    100 x 13 x 9

    Calves triset
    Stiff legged leg press raises
    175 x 15 x 12 x 14
    Seated calve raise
    175 x 14 x 12 x 10
    Standing calve raise machine
    180 x 12 x 11 x 8

    Was a bit disappointed that I couldn't do deads. My legs are starting to feel better. Hopefully should be back to normal by tomorrow . The only sides I'm getting at the moment is the sh1t feeling from the anadrol. It's easily manageable atm. Calories will be 3036 for the day. Pro 320g carbs 213 fats 103.
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    Day 12
    Weight 182
    No pin today. Took one androl tab

    Shoulder day
    Dumbbell shoulder press
    75s x 7 PR!
    70s x 11 x 9 drop 45s x 7

    Dumbbell front raise
    35s x 10 x 10 x 9 drop 25s x 5

    Rear felt cable flyes
    30ps x 9 x 11 x 10

    Side lateral raises
    25s x 8
    20s x 12 x 10 x 9 x 9 x 7
    15s x 13 x 12

    Dumbbell shrugs
    110s x 12 x 10 x 10 x 10 x 8
    100s x 10 x 10

    My shoulders were burning and my left delt was killing where I injected the other day. Stoked on the PR! Been stuck on 70s for quite a while! Had to have a spotter help me get them up but once they were up reps came easier than i thought! Calories were a bit all over the place today due to a three hour afternoon nap lol. Calories are at 3313. 261g protein 263g carbs 128g fats. No sides ad of yet. Been having some major pain at injection sites so I'm hoping that the more I do it the less pain I'll be in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000
    Day 11
    Pinned 150mg sus. Took 1 anadrol tab.
    Weight 182
    Back day.

    Hammer grip chins
    Bw + 25 x 10 x 6
    Bw + 15 x 8

    Wide grip chins
    Bw x 8 x 6 + 2 negatives x 6 + 2 negatives

    T bar rows
    175 x 9 x 10 x 11

    Bent over rows
    175 x 4
    155 x 8
    145 x 10 x 9

    Straight arm pulldowns
    150 x 7
    140 x 8
    120 x 12 x 11 x 8
    100 x 13 x 9

    Calves triset
    Stiff legged leg press raises
    175 x 15 x 12 x 14
    Seated calve raise
    175 x 14 x 12 x 10
    Standing calve raise machine
    180 x 12 x 11 x 8

    Was a bit disappointed that I couldn't do deads. My legs are starting to feel better. Hopefully should be back to normal by tomorrow . The only sides I'm getting at the moment is the sh1t feeling from the anadrol. It's easily manageable atm. Calories will be 3036 for the day. Pro 320g carbs 213 fats 103.
    I forgot to mention thatch hammer grip chins + the 25lb is a PR. And it was easy. Might try a 45 lb plate for my first work set next time. Two PRs in two days!
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    the weight u are posting is in Kg's right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zubda345
    the weight u are posting is in Kg's right?
    Na man I convert it over to lbs because most people on here don't use KGs. I might start putting down both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post
    Na man I convert it over to lbs because most people on here don't use KGs. I might start putting down both.
    I thought u were doing 175kgs on t-bar rows DAMN lol :P

    no matter man, keep on using lbs...

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    Quote Originally Posted by zubda345

    I thought u were doing 175kgs on t-bar rows DAMN lol :P

    no matter man, keep on using lbs...
    Haha I wish I could t bar row 175kg! But for now it's at around 80 - 85kg!
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