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  1. Quote Originally Posted by morry View Post
    Well said.

    The stuff I've read let me know front loading decreased this time to 4-8 days. I'm not saying you aren't right bc I'm certain you are. I'm just looking to understand.
    Frontloading with double the dosage still means it will be week 3 or 4 before I start to feel it?
    Either way, thank god I had TNE and Xtreme.
    I'm not 100% sold on the philosophy of the front-load.....not with long esters anyway.

    It may decrease wait time some........maybe a week. But I sincerely doubt that one can speed up the efficacy of gear simply by using more.
    To me it means that when it does kick (still at around week 3) it will be more powerful since you're using greater dosages.

    If ones wants to see quicker gains and faster effects, one should incorporate the shorter esters like Prop or no esters at all like TNE.

    This doesn't mean that there's no sense in front-loading.
    Hel, I blast and cruise and yet when I start a new blast, I'll employ higher dosages those first few weeks in order to see gains.
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    I think overall using an extra x ml to frontload doesn't partcularly give better results than using those ml at the end.
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  3. Where was this recent study of the half life of TNE being 39 hours? Now that I would be interested to read...

  4. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL
    I think overall using an extra x ml to frontload doesn't partcularly give better results than using those ml at the end.
    It's not about better results necessarily, it is about decreasing time to stable blood levels which MAY be beneficial for results.

    TG is right tho. The jury is out....
    Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    lol in highschool i ran the original halodrol 50 for 8 weeks with clenbuterol and vodka as pct
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/193259-begins-morry-vs.html

  5. Quote Originally Posted by MakaveliThaDon View Post
    Where was this recent study of the half life of TNE being 39 hours? Now that I would be interested to read...
    He mentioned that this TNE is oil-based........therefore taking longer to break down. I'm still guessing that water-based TNE will have a shorter half-life and kick in quicker.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by morry View Post
    It's not about better results necessarily, it is about decreasing time to stable blood levels which MAY be beneficial for results.

    TG is right tho. The jury is out....
    Not necessarily saying I'm right. I'm just trying to use some logic is all. ha ha

    Really though, it makes perfect sense to me to front-load with short-esters only......or no esters at all like TNE and tren-suspensions.

    I think good front-loaders would include:
    Test-Prop
    TNE (test no ester)
    Tren-suspension
    Tren-Ace
    Test-Ace
    Mast-Prop
    NPP (nandrolone phenly-propionate)
    Winstrol
    THE PAIN YOU ENDURE TODAY WILL PRODUCE THE POWER YOU ENJOY TOMORROW!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MakaveliThaDon View Post
    Where was this recent study of the half life of TNE being 39 hours? Now that I would be interested to read...
    It is done on horses bro.

    Very little research is actually done on human with AAS unless they have cancer or AIDS.


    LINK TO THE STUDY ABOVE!!!
    Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    lol in highschool i ran the original halodrol 50 for 8 weeks with clenbuterol and vodka as pct
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/193259-begins-morry-vs.html

  8. Quote Originally Posted by thundergod View Post
    Not necessarily saying I'm right. I'm just trying to use some logic is all. ha ha
    Nah, bro. right in the respect that I think it will be hard to tell. Experience is key is what I'm saying and you've got it brother.
    Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    lol in highschool i ran the original halodrol 50 for 8 weeks with clenbuterol and vodka as pct
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/193259-begins-morry-vs.html

  9. Quote Originally Posted by thundergod View Post
    Good call on eating something with that Tren-Xtreme.......it requires it. You can't starve yourself and expect strength gains.......or any gains for that matter. Eat.......eat sensibly......but eat!!


    And you know that Test-Cyp ain't kickin' yet.........it takes up to 4 weeks or slightly longer to truly be kicking.
    What you're experiencing is the NPP and the TNE rearing their frightful heads!!

    I wish you had some more TNE or at least a little Prop to take for the next couple of weeks.
    But that Tren-Xtreme will be kicking for you regardless.


    Thunder
    Thunder isn't the half life of Cyp 2 weeks, shouldn't he feel some effects before then like aggression, alpha male, increased drive and libido, just not any noticeable gains or much strength from it? I assume that is what you mean. You definitely know more about the subject so asking not correcting.

    Morry sorry for the absence...
    I somehow didn't get a notification on this thread until today. Kind of weird, was wondering why it hadn't been updated considering how many of us are following it.
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Thunder isn't the half life of Cyp 2 weeks, shouldn't he feel some effects before then like aggression, alpha male, increased drive and libido, just not any noticeable gains or much strength from it? I assume that is what you mean. You definitely know more about the subject so asking not correcting.

    Morry sorry for the absence...
    I somehow didn't get a notification on this thread until today. Kind of weird, was wondering why it hadn't been updated considering how many of us are following it.
    Never mind I stepped away from the computer to work and then hit reply when i got back. Now I see all of this has been discussed at length.
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  11. my bad for not replying to ur pm morry... haven't found much time to get on... late sub... got some reading to do
  12. Never enough
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    Quote Originally Posted by morry View Post
    It's not about better results necessarily, it is about decreasing time to stable blood levels which MAY be beneficial for results.

    TG is right tho. The jury is out....
    hmmm but even in that case, frontloading with 1g on a total cycle of 500mg/wk for 12 weeks vs saving that 1g for 2 extra weeks at the end to make 14 weeks still has you at stable blood levels longer wouldn't it?

    I'll agree that using some prop the first 2-4 weeks isn't a bad way to go about it though.
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  13. morry I noticed you're not using serms. im the same way.

    i also don't workout week 1 of PCT and in week 2 i do resistance band training only for muscle pumps. I also up my calories by a little.

    for the average natural joe working out will spike cortisol levels and through resting testosterone will kick in and its effects will outweigh the cortisol effects

    for the steroid user in the first weeks of PCT... letting cortisol levels rise by lifting hard and heavy like you're still "on" in the presence of low testosterone will just eat your muscle away imo

    that has been my experience after a few PCT's

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Hcc5881 View Post
    its funny you said that... my last cycle, i didn't work out much the first 2 weeks of pct then worked out moderately for the last 2 and i kept my gains better that cycle than any other cycle... hmm... you might be on to something.
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by chocolatemilk View Post
    morry I noticed you're not using serms. im the same way.

    i also don't workout week 1 of PCT and in week 2 i do resistance band training only for muscle pumps. I also up my calories by a little.

    for the average natural joe working out will spike cortisol levels and through resting testosterone will kick in and its effects will outweigh the cortisol effects

    for the steroid user in the first weeks of PCT... letting cortisol levels rise by lifting hard and heavy like you're still "on" in the presence of low testosterone will just eat your muscle away imo

    that has been my experience after a few PCT's
    That's very interesting, is that the case all the time though? I mean you hear some people training hard during PCT but keep their gains or most of them? I never thought of it that way good post.
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by chocolatemilk View Post
    morry I noticed you're not using serms. im the same way.

    i also don't workout week 1 of PCT and in week 2 i do resistance band training only for muscle pumps. I also up my calories by a little.

    for the average natural joe working out will spike cortisol levels and through resting testosterone will kick in and its effects will outweigh the cortisol effects

    for the steroid user in the first weeks of PCT... letting cortisol levels rise by lifting hard and heavy like you're still "on" in the presence of low testosterone will just eat your muscle away imo

    that has been my experience after a few PCT's
    Good input bro, testosterone inhibits the adrenals from producing cortisol, thus lowering cortisol output.

  17. love the discussion gentleman

  18. Quote Originally Posted by Hcc5881 View Post
    This is the way Morry operates. I would say his logs are very close to science. They would be perfect for research. His OCD is our gain!!
    This log looks like it is going to be a great benefit for me and the AM community. Greatly Appreciative!!!
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  19. Front loading, SERMS and cortisol


    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Thunder isn't the half life of Cyp 2 weeks, shouldn't he feel some effects before then like aggression, alpha male, increased drive and libido, just not any noticeable gains or much strength from it? I assume that is what you mean. You definitely know more about the subject so asking not correcting.

    Morry sorry for the absence...
    I somehow didn't get a notification on this thread until today. Kind of weird, was wondering why it hadn't been updated considering how many of us are following it.
    No worries brotha. I knew you'd be around.

    I believe the half life of cyp is 8 days on average.


    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    hmmm but even in that case, frontloading with 1g on a total cycle of 500mg/wk for 12 weeks vs saving that 1g for 2 extra weeks at the end to make 14 weeks still has you at stable blood levels longer wouldn't it?

    I'll agree that using some prop the first 2-4 weeks isn't a bad way to go about it though.
    I see the logic, but here is what I'm thinking. First off there isn't enough research to find out for sure. All we have is our experiences, but here is what I'm thinking.

    TG is on to the right idea. I think I'm confusing the subjects. There is a difference between blood plasma levels and AR saturation resulting in increased muscle growth and other telltale signs that elevated Test (or other AAS) are present. I think I will "feel" the cyp much sooner bc I did front load. Check out a chart showing how long it can take to get blood levels up to 500mg a week. I believe it is 8 weeks. So just from my thoughts, I'd say if most guys start to feel it at weeks 3 and 4, then you have to have an increasing saturation of the receptors for 3 or 4 weeks of around 250 mg to start "feeling" it. The problem with this generalization is the saturation is hardly linear. Regardless of being able to pinpoint it, according to half life, I'll have stable levels of 600 mg (I'm counting the ester) by next week. Now if it takes another week of that level for the receptors to start causing enough change that I feel a noticeable different, then that's it. I saved myself a week.
    I think saying only short esters is worth front loading may just mean it is "easier" to frontload these bc the short half lives. The way I understand the esters are they deteriorate at a linear, predictable manner. So at hour one, the ester starts to deteriorate at a molecular level, right? So the more molecules, the more free test is released every hour that passes. The way I think some people perceive this is no matter how much you pin, you cannot increase the amount of test being released bc the ester releases all at once. The problem I see with this is I believe the molecules each have their own ester attached and cleave releasing the test slowly. The more molecules, the more test.
    The way I see it, it isn't like a hose pouring water that only a certain amount of water can pass regardless, I think the more test cyp the bigger the hose altogether allowing more water to pass. The diameter of the "hose" is dependent on the dose. Is that a stupid analogy?

    Shorter esters have less weight releasing more test faster, right? So frontloading these would have a much greater effect than a longer ester. Less to cleave, more test to metabolize. This is going to put more test in the system faster and in turn saturating the the receptors and causing the effects we all love from hormones.

    Now I can't prove any of this. I just spent all day thinking about it and this is what I came up with. What are the thoughts swirling around?

    Quote Originally Posted by chocolatemilk View Post
    morry I noticed you're not using serms. im the same way.

    i also don't workout week 1 of PCT and in week 2 i do resistance band training only for muscle pumps. I also up my calories by a little.

    for the average natural joe working out will spike cortisol levels and through resting testosterone will kick in and its effects will outweigh the cortisol effects

    for the steroid user in the first weeks of PCT... letting cortisol levels rise by lifting hard and heavy like you're still "on" in the presence of low testosterone will just eat your muscle away imo

    that has been my experience after a few PCT's
    CM, I knew you would show up when you had time. Welcome and thank you for contributing.

    I totally agree with the NO SERM approach. I'm not saying it doesn't work for guys bc plenty report it does. Here is my thinking tho. SERMS are selective estrogen receptor modulators, right? Well the fact is they are seen as estrogens in the body, they just don't "act" like estrogen. The body combats this thinking there isn't enough estrogen, produces more aromatase and in turn estrogen. Now you have tons and tons of estrogen in your body when you stop taking it, not good IMO. Plus all that estrogen could have stayed test. What about an AI? AI only keep estrogen from be created through aromatase, right? So your body combats this by creating more and more aromatase. When you get off an AI all that aromatase is still floating and causes that common rebound effect you hear from AIs like letro. Letro does increase endogenous test by keeping it from converting, but as soon as you stop taking it, that increase is your enemy. What about aromasin? It permanently inactivates aromatase? Now there's a thought. Your body combats this by producing more endogenous test. It can't convert without aromatase. The aromatase cannot be freed back up once aromasin attaches to it. So you are tricking your body into producing more test, a slight amount of estrogen (bc aromasin is not as powerful of an AI as letro) and allowing the levels to stabilize more naturally and slowly. This is why I don't use serms. Everytime I have I end up having some estro related issue. Using a negative feedback mechanism has worked well for me.

    The cortisol theory I like. That is very insightful. maybe I'll take some time off the first week of PCT and put this to my own test

    Quote Originally Posted by thetinyguy View Post
    That's very interesting, is that the case all the time though? I mean you hear some people training hard during PCT but keep their gains or most of them? I never thought of it that way good post.
    I think this is going to be individually specific. Were these guys taking anti cortisol supps? How was their insulin sensitivity? Did the hop on to SARMS right after? Were they taking peptides? Are they one of the lucky ones to get their test levels back quick enough they don't really "lose" a ton of their gains?
    I didn't take a week of but I was on S1, CJC 1295, aromasin, and test boosters. I was also on HCG during my cycle.
    Quote Originally Posted by MakaveliThaDon View Post
    Good input bro, testosterone inhibits the adrenals from producing cortisol, thus lowering cortisol output.
    Agreed, CM is the man.

    Quote Originally Posted by xFRACTION View Post
    love the discussion gentleman
    I'm digging this sh1t too. You guys got me thinking. Probably too much, but fock it, right?
    Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    lol in highschool i ran the original halodrol 50 for 8 weeks with clenbuterol and vodka as pct
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/193259-begins-morry-vs.html

  20. Day 5

    weight 202 (+5)

    Legs/ Arms

    I pinned 100 mg NPP this morning. Still taking 90 mg of Xtreme divided into two doses. Pinned TNE, 37.5 about 2 hours before workout.

    I ate plenty today. I'll leave it at that

    I was worried about my lower back, so at lunch today I stopped in and grabbed a belt. I finally own a weight belt. I didn't want to have to wear one so I could put as much stress on my body without any extra help, but honestly, I feel stupid now. i should have gotten one a long time ago. They freaking rock. I said I wasn't going to Squat? Ha! I did, not real heavy but I did. Plus I had a murderous workout. 10 min HISS before and after and then this workout

    Circuit 1

    Squats 135x10, 225x10, 225x10, 225x10
    Ez bar Curls 70x8, 70x 8, 70x6
    Skull Crushers 70x12, 70x10, 70x10
    Closed grip bench with the EZ bar 70x12, 70x10, 70x10

    1 warm up set, 3 regular sets

    Circuit 2

    Tricep extension 110x10, 110x8, 110x9
    Tricep Pull downs 110x8, 110x7, 110x5
    Calf Raises 110x14, 120x12, 120x11
    Hammer Bicep Curls with DB 40x11, 40x10, 40x8
    Lunges (holding 50db in each hand) x10, x10, x9

    Circuit 3

    Hammer Grip Pullups (BW +45) x8, x6, x5
    Hamstring Curls (don't remember the weight, I rarely use this machine but may start using it more) x 12, x12, x12
    Leg Extensions, the whole machine, x12, x12, x12

    Circuit 4

    Leg Press 3ppsx20, 5ppsx20, 5ppsx16
    Dips (BW+45) x9, x10, x9 (chest was still tight from yesterday
    Preacher Curls DB, 40x10, x9, x9


    I hit the cardio at the end and wasn't really all that tired. i could have worked out longer, but I had been there just under 2 hours. It was time to go and eat some dinner. I ate a huge dinner and I'm rested. I'm meeting a friend in the morning to hit back and shoulders again. I'm not sure if I'll go running or not. I have been on the weekends, but we'll see. I most likely will run on Sunday.

    No pin of NPP or Test C tomorrow.

    I'll pin the rest of the TNE though and take the Xtreme as I have been. Took some letro tonight, still low, low dose. No tenderness from the TNE.

    Everything is going as well as can be expected. Upping cals def made a huge difference. I wasn't starving myself by any means. i was eating a ton of food, but in two meals. With all the anabolics though, it wasn't nearly enough. If I had to guess, I'm getting around 4000 cals a day, maybe a little more.

    Can't wait to tear up some more weights tomorrow.


    Morry
    Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    lol in highschool i ran the original halodrol 50 for 8 weeks with clenbuterol and vodka as pct
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/193259-begins-morry-vs.html

  21. Late, but subbed! Kill it morry

  22. In late thought the other log was this one ... I want to hear more about this no serm pct stuff. Has anyone else tried it, or have any articles on it ?

  23. Quote Originally Posted by Lightweight1 View Post
    In late thought the other log was this one ... I want to hear more about this no serm pct stuff. Has anyone else tried it, or have any articles on it ?
    I know russianstar always advocated no serm pct, using peptides and natural stuff

  24. This has definitely been my favorite thread so far. Just when you think you understand all the basics, you become adhered to different approaches and theories to benefit all. Keep up the good work Morry, and thanks for logging this!

  25. I'm loving all the discussion in here. A lot of good knowledge and info floating around. I may learn a thing or two in this Morry thread just like his last one
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  26. I like the week off idea after cycle, first week of pct...good info in this thread for sure... Keep killing it morry
    You are born small and weak, you die small and weak...How you look in-between is entirely up to you...

  27. bout time u got a belt you slut

    keep killin it
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  28. Quote Originally Posted by Hcc5881 View Post
    +10 cool points for upping calories. you need this!!
    Yes! Now I'm one of the cool kids. I'm going to pee in my pants bc all that's what all the cool kids do.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightweight1 View Post
    In late thought the other log was this one ... I want to hear more about this no serm pct stuff. Has anyone else tried it, or have any articles on it ?
    More you say? No problem! Here is a 4 week log. Enjoy

    Morry's effin PCT bishes (PICS?...YUH)

    Quote Originally Posted by xFRACTION View Post
    I know russianstar always advocated no serm pct, using peptides and natural stuff
    I've read some of his article. Pretty smart dude IMO. I think he is discounted though bc his ties with a peptide company. I didn't know he an advocate for no SERM PCT. Learn something new everyday.

    Quote Originally Posted by Punisher88 View Post
    This has definitely been my favorite thread so far. Just when you think you understand all the basics, you become adhered to different approaches and theories to benefit all. Keep up the good work Morry, and thanks for logging this!
    Man, I really appreciate that. I think we all learn the more we interact and discuss. Let's keep the questions rolling in and I'll keep logging this mofo. Thanks for reading and contributing my friend.

    Quote Originally Posted by RickRock13 View Post
    I'm loving all the discussion in here. A lot of good knowledge and info floating around. I may learn a thing or two in this Morry thread just like his last one
    You and me both! I'm going to keep calling you RippedRock from now on. Rick doesn't do you justice brotha. I hope we all learn a bit. I know I have already dove in deeper with my research and constant reading. I'm lovin it.

    Quote Originally Posted by pillsRgood View Post
    I like the week off idea after cycle, first week of pct...good info in this thread for sure... Keep killing it morry
    Me too. I'm seriously considering trying this, but I'm not sure. I get all wrapped up into working out when I drop below 10%bf. We'll see.....

    Quote Originally Posted by schwellington View Post
    bout time u got a belt you slut

    keep killin it
    Articulate and to the point. Nice.

    I will
    Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    lol in highschool i ran the original halodrol 50 for 8 weeks with clenbuterol and vodka as pct
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/193259-begins-morry-vs.html

  29. Day 6

    weight 201 (+4)

    Back / Shoulders

    No pin of Test c or NPP. Last pin of Suspension today as well. It was around 45mg. Also 90 mg of Xtreme pre-workout (I went to the gym in the AM so I took it all at once). I didn't experience any lethargy from taking all the Xtreme at once. I sort of expected to, but it never came. I was pretty happy about it, but honestly I was going to make myself hit cardio if I was tired which always wakes me right up.

    Weight belt, weight belt, weight belt. You are my only friend. Where have you been all this time? I'm really loving this thing. It makes my back feel like I'm 23 or 24 again.

    I was going to shy away from heavy DLs as just 275 aggravated a tendon in the lower lumbar region. With the weight belt being so successful yesterday, I decided to push the envelope a bit.

    DL 135x10, 225x12, 275x8, 295x5, 325x5

    I could have gone up more, but I was already so happy with this, why push more? With the weight belt forcing my core to pull all the stress off my lower back, I'm thinking going up 20-40lbs a week is sufficient without running the risk of micro tearing a muscle that will lead to a hernia. 325 was good this week. I'm thinking I'll top out at 365 next. I'm not sure yet though, I'll need to see how my back is feeling. After these, however, I had ZERO pain, no cramping, nothing it the lower back. It was pretty focking awesome considering this is the most weight I've done since my injury. Also no pain during the entire workout. I've been wearing a back brace at the house when it would start to ache, but I haven't even needed to do that since I got the weight belt.

    I pressed the 90 DB military today too. It was nice to feel that weight above my head again. I was only able to grab 3, but I still got them with good form. Bc some focker took the bench I was using during my circuit, I moved to BB military with 135 with a double negative count. These got my delts just pumping like crazy. This circuit finished off with face pulls with a 24 or 32 kg kettle ball (I don't remember which one I grabbed, but the rep range only got up to 10).

    I won't list my entire circuits, but I'll just mention a few lifts.

    Shrugs with 315 x 8, x6, x6 (well 5.5, last one kind of sucked ), but the most weight I've done since my injury

    Wide grip pull up, BWx10, x8, x6

    One armed, bent of row with a 90 DB, x8, x8, x7, most weight I've done since my injury

    1/2 clean with a military press BB 90x5, x5, x5 (I used to be able to do 135 on these. Not sure why I'm down so low in weight. I tried 135 and was only able to grab one. Maybe it is the way I'm switching up my routine bc my delts were already throbbing by the time I got to my 4th circuit and these are the last things I do for my shoulders).

    All in all I'm very happy with the workout. Being able to lift heavy on DLs and Squats is really going to help my muscles bounce back quicker. Those exercises have just given me such a solid foundation that when i can't do them heavy, I feel like I'm lagging behind. I know there are plenty of guys that avoid them due to injury and that is understandable as there are alternatives to these that will make you strong as fock. That being said, if you are avoiding them bc you hate them or think you will injure yourself, I would say you are selling yourself short. Get somebody to watch your form, grab a weight belt, and lift decently heavy. You'll be surprised the overall benefits. Plus the release of all the hormones that your body pushes out when you lift with your whole body is another set of benefits. I attribute my core to these two exercise. Everything else I consider ancillary(draw bridges, WODs, machine weighted crunches, ab pull downs). I'm not saying they are unimportant, but that they contribute little to the overall size relative to DLs and Squats. I'm lucky that my core is one of my strong points. I'm unlucky that my biceps aren't

    I pin 100mg NPP tomorrow. Also taking caber tomorrow. Letro today and only one more day of letro, then I'll be switching to Exemstane.

    Still feeling pretty good throughout the workouts. I'm not getting tired and going from exercise to exercise should be wearing me out, but it isn't. I did 10 min of high intensity steady state before and after the workout. Now that I'm out of the TNE, we'll see how next week's lineup holds up to this weeks. I'll still be taking the XTREME but I'm hoping the feel good feeling of some extra anabolics begins taking hold. My pumps aren't crazy yet, they are good, but not what I've felt before. Honestly, though I think it is still too early to make a good judgement on the pumps.


    Morry
    Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    lol in highschool i ran the original halodrol 50 for 8 weeks with clenbuterol and vodka as pct
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/193259-begins-morry-vs.html

  30. awesome workout bro, those DB military numbers are huge! Your body is going to thank you for switching over to aromasin. It's the only AI I'll ever touch after trying it, unless I need to blast away some gyno asap with letro. What dose of caber are you going to be running?
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    Last Post: 12-23-2007, 03:00 PM
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