A Legend Returns...an epic Morry Log NPP/Masteron/TNE/Test/Tren Xtreme

Page 3 of 29 First 12345 ... Last

  1. Any pain in that TNE injection?


  2. I agree with the above. YOU need to eat more morry.. Stop worrying about the girly figure and get yo weight up son! Lets see morry at 220
    •   
       


  3. Why no complex carbs?
    You are born small and weak, you die small and weak...How you look in-between is entirely up to you...

  4. Quote Originally Posted by thundergod
    Good call on eating something with that Tren-Xtreme.......it requires it. You can't starve yourself and expect strength gains.......or any gains for that matter. Eat.......eat sensibly......but eat!!

    And you know that Test-Cyp ain't kickin' yet.........it takes up to 4 weeks or slightly longer to truly be kicking.
    What you're experiencing is the NPP and the TNE rearing their frightful heads!!

    I wish you had some more TNE or at least a little Prop to take for the next couple of weeks.
    But that Tren-Xtreme will be kicking for you regardless.

    Thunder
    Agreed on the diet. It was a much needed modification.

    On to the test cyp and TNE.
    (Estimates)
    Test cyp half life: 8 days
    TNE: 39 hours (very recent study, used to be thought of as shorter)

    Using the half life equation and factoring in ester weight, my body has metabolized roughly 200 mg test cyp and 91mg TNE.

    By my next cyp pin, that will be 455 mg which is slightly above the 600 mg test cyp desired level. Meaning ill have hit stable levels by day 8 and be a third of the way there by day 4. This is why I frontloaded so heavy (1.3 grams in first week) and chose 37.5 of TNE per day.

    That being said, you have a boat load more of experience than me. What are your thoughts with a frontload keeping half life and ester weight in mind?
    Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    lol in highschool i ran the original halodrol 50 for 8 weeks with clenbuterol and vodka as pct
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/193259-begins-morry-vs.html

  5. Quote Originally Posted by morry View Post
    Agreed on the diet. It was a much needed modification.

    On to the test cyp and TNE.
    (Estimates)
    Test cyp half life: 8 days
    TNE: 39 hours (very recent study, used to be thought of as shorter)

    Using the half life equation and factoring in ester weight, my body has metabolized roughly 200 mg test cyp and 91mg TNE.

    By my next cyp pin, that will be 455 mg which is slightly above the 600 mg test cyp desired level. Meaning ill have hit stable levels by day 8 and be a third of the way there by day 4. This is why I frontloaded so heavy (1.3 grams in first week) and chose 37.5 of TNE per day.

    That being said, you have a boat load more of experience than me. What are your thoughts with a frontload keeping half life and ester weight in mind?
    Even though the half-life of Cyp is around 8 days, that doesn't mean that you will start realizing and experiencing the gains from it at day 8. Search the boards.......most all users testify that they don't really "feel" Cyp or Enanthate truly kicking in until around week 4 or so. I know it's true for me. Now if you had been cruising Cyp at a lower dose, you wouldn't have this wait time. You would feel the increased dosages the very first week.

    On a similar note, you know that D-Bol's half-life is around 6 hours.......that does NOT mean you will start seeing gains from it that quick.
    It's takes about 2 weeks to start seeing and feeling the effects.

    Even the TNE takes about a week to start feeling its effects in the gym......and bedroom. ha ha But once it gets revved up, you can feel the dosage you pin about 1.5 to 2 hours......pretty quick stuff.


    And you know this...........mayne!! lol
    THE PAIN YOU ENDURE TODAY WILL PRODUCE THE POWER YOU ENJOY TOMORROW!!

    "Ye are gods, and all of you are children of the most High."
    •   
       


  6. Quote Originally Posted by thundergod
    Even though the half-life of Cyp is around 8 days, that doesn't mean that you will start realizing and experiencing the gains from it at day 8. Search the boards.......most all users testify that they don't really "feel" Cyp or Enanthate truly kicking in until around week 4 or so. I know it's true for me. Now if you had been cruising Cyp at a lower dose, you wouldn't have this wait time. You would feel the increased dosages the very first week.

    On a similar note, you know that D-Bol's half-life is around 6 hours.......that does NOT mean you will start seeing gains from it that quick.
    It's takes about 2 weeks to start seeing and feeling the effects.

    Even the TNE takes about a week to start feeling its effects in the gym......and bedroom. ha ha But once it gets revved up, you can feel the dosage you pin about 1.5 to 2 hours......pretty quick stuff.

    And you know this...........mayne!! lol
    Well said.

    The stuff I've read let me know front loading decreased this time to 4-8 days. I'm not saying you aren't right bc I'm certain you are. I'm just looking to understand.
    Frontloading with double the dosage still means it will be week 3 or 4 before I start to feel it?
    Either way, thank god I had TNE and Xtreme.
    Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    lol in highschool i ran the original halodrol 50 for 8 weeks with clenbuterol and vodka as pct
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/193259-begins-morry-vs.html

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Hcc5881
    IN THEORY, frontloading makes perfect sense. In reality, i am not sure if it works or not. I frontloaded my current cycle but i never get that "feeling" of being on or off so without drawing blood, i simply don't know. I would like to see a half way decent study on frontloading where the user gets blood results every 3 days for about 2 weeks or so... Hell, i would probably even fund it. I would do it myself but I am already midway through cycle. There are soooo many rumors about frontloading, we should write science and not bro science. A study like this would be perfect.
    That being said, Nandrolone is also more anabolic than test on paper. But we know that most people experience better gains through test than nandrolone. Again, I want to run a frontload study. Many people would benefit from it. Anyone interested, PM me.
    You and I both.
    Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    lol in highschool i ran the original halodrol 50 for 8 weeks with clenbuterol and vodka as pct
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/193259-begins-morry-vs.html

  8. Quote Originally Posted by MakaveliThaDon
    Any pain in that TNE injection?
    Nope. Micronized and suspended in oil. Smooth as butter. Putting it in the delt too.
    Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    lol in highschool i ran the original halodrol 50 for 8 weeks with clenbuterol and vodka as pct
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/193259-begins-morry-vs.html

  9. Quote Originally Posted by BarbellBeast
    I agree with the above. YOU need to eat more morry.. Stop worrying about the girly figure and get yo weight up son! Lets see morry at 220
    I know, I know. No more, I swear. 220, Jesus!!! Maybe tho....
    Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    lol in highschool i ran the original halodrol 50 for 8 weeks with clenbuterol and vodka as pct
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/193259-begins-morry-vs.html

  10. Quote Originally Posted by pillsRgood
    Why no complex carbs?
    Primal mayne.
    Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    lol in highschool i ran the original halodrol 50 for 8 weeks with clenbuterol and vodka as pct
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/193259-begins-morry-vs.html

  11. Quote Originally Posted by morry View Post
    Well said.

    The stuff I've read let me know front loading decreased this time to 4-8 days. I'm not saying you aren't right bc I'm certain you are. I'm just looking to understand.
    Frontloading with double the dosage still means it will be week 3 or 4 before I start to feel it?
    Either way, thank god I had TNE and Xtreme.
    I'm not 100% sold on the philosophy of the front-load.....not with long esters anyway.

    It may decrease wait time some........maybe a week. But I sincerely doubt that one can speed up the efficacy of gear simply by using more.
    To me it means that when it does kick (still at around week 3) it will be more powerful since you're using greater dosages.

    If ones wants to see quicker gains and faster effects, one should incorporate the shorter esters like Prop or no esters at all like TNE.

    This doesn't mean that there's no sense in front-loading.
    Hel, I blast and cruise and yet when I start a new blast, I'll employ higher dosages those first few weeks in order to see gains.
    THE PAIN YOU ENDURE TODAY WILL PRODUCE THE POWER YOU ENJOY TOMORROW!!

    "Ye are gods, and all of you are children of the most High."

  12. I think overall using an extra x ml to frontload doesn't partcularly give better results than using those ml at the end.

  13. Where was this recent study of the half life of TNE being 39 hours? Now that I would be interested to read...

  14. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL
    I think overall using an extra x ml to frontload doesn't partcularly give better results than using those ml at the end.
    It's not about better results necessarily, it is about decreasing time to stable blood levels which MAY be beneficial for results.

    TG is right tho. The jury is out....
    Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    lol in highschool i ran the original halodrol 50 for 8 weeks with clenbuterol and vodka as pct
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/193259-begins-morry-vs.html

  15. Quote Originally Posted by MakaveliThaDon View Post
    Where was this recent study of the half life of TNE being 39 hours? Now that I would be interested to read...
    He mentioned that this TNE is oil-based........therefore taking longer to break down. I'm still guessing that water-based TNE will have a shorter half-life and kick in quicker.
    THE PAIN YOU ENDURE TODAY WILL PRODUCE THE POWER YOU ENJOY TOMORROW!!

    "Ye are gods, and all of you are children of the most High."

  16. Quote Originally Posted by morry View Post
    It's not about better results necessarily, it is about decreasing time to stable blood levels which MAY be beneficial for results.

    TG is right tho. The jury is out....
    Not necessarily saying I'm right. I'm just trying to use some logic is all. ha ha

    Really though, it makes perfect sense to me to front-load with short-esters only......or no esters at all like TNE and tren-suspensions.

    I think good front-loaders would include:
    Test-Prop
    TNE (test no ester)
    Tren-suspension
    Tren-Ace
    Test-Ace
    Mast-Prop
    NPP (nandrolone phenly-propionate)
    Winstrol
    THE PAIN YOU ENDURE TODAY WILL PRODUCE THE POWER YOU ENJOY TOMORROW!!

    "Ye are gods, and all of you are children of the most High."

  17. Attachment 43159
    Quote Originally Posted by MakaveliThaDon View Post
    Where was this recent study of the half life of TNE being 39 hours? Now that I would be interested to read...
    It is done on horses bro.

    Very little research is actually done on human with AAS unless they have cancer or AIDS.


    LINK TO THE STUDY ABOVE!!!
    Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    lol in highschool i ran the original halodrol 50 for 8 weeks with clenbuterol and vodka as pct
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/193259-begins-morry-vs.html

  18. Quote Originally Posted by thundergod View Post
    Not necessarily saying I'm right. I'm just trying to use some logic is all. ha ha
    Nah, bro. right in the respect that I think it will be hard to tell. Experience is key is what I'm saying and you've got it brother.
    Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    lol in highschool i ran the original halodrol 50 for 8 weeks with clenbuterol and vodka as pct
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/193259-begins-morry-vs.html

  19. Quote Originally Posted by thundergod View Post
    Good call on eating something with that Tren-Xtreme.......it requires it. You can't starve yourself and expect strength gains.......or any gains for that matter. Eat.......eat sensibly......but eat!!


    And you know that Test-Cyp ain't kickin' yet.........it takes up to 4 weeks or slightly longer to truly be kicking.
    What you're experiencing is the NPP and the TNE rearing their frightful heads!!

    I wish you had some more TNE or at least a little Prop to take for the next couple of weeks.
    But that Tren-Xtreme will be kicking for you regardless.


    Thunder
    Thunder isn't the half life of Cyp 2 weeks, shouldn't he feel some effects before then like aggression, alpha male, increased drive and libido, just not any noticeable gains or much strength from it? I assume that is what you mean. You definitely know more about the subject so asking not correcting.

    Morry sorry for the absence...
    I somehow didn't get a notification on this thread until today. Kind of weird, was wondering why it hadn't been updated considering how many of us are following it.
    Live Hard, Laugh Hard, Love Hard and Heal Fast! - KLEEN
    Current Training Log -
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/276206-kleen-strong-body.html

  20. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Thunder isn't the half life of Cyp 2 weeks, shouldn't he feel some effects before then like aggression, alpha male, increased drive and libido, just not any noticeable gains or much strength from it? I assume that is what you mean. You definitely know more about the subject so asking not correcting.

    Morry sorry for the absence...
    I somehow didn't get a notification on this thread until today. Kind of weird, was wondering why it hadn't been updated considering how many of us are following it.
    Never mind I stepped away from the computer to work and then hit reply when i got back. Now I see all of this has been discussed at length.
    Live Hard, Laugh Hard, Love Hard and Heal Fast! - KLEEN
    Current Training Log -
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/276206-kleen-strong-body.html

  21. my bad for not replying to ur pm morry... haven't found much time to get on... late sub... got some reading to do

  22. Quote Originally Posted by morry View Post
    It's not about better results necessarily, it is about decreasing time to stable blood levels which MAY be beneficial for results.

    TG is right tho. The jury is out....
    hmmm but even in that case, frontloading with 1g on a total cycle of 500mg/wk for 12 weeks vs saving that 1g for 2 extra weeks at the end to make 14 weeks still has you at stable blood levels longer wouldn't it?

    I'll agree that using some prop the first 2-4 weeks isn't a bad way to go about it though.

  23. morry I noticed you're not using serms. im the same way.

    i also don't workout week 1 of PCT and in week 2 i do resistance band training only for muscle pumps. I also up my calories by a little.

    for the average natural joe working out will spike cortisol levels and through resting testosterone will kick in and its effects will outweigh the cortisol effects

    for the steroid user in the first weeks of PCT... letting cortisol levels rise by lifting hard and heavy like you're still "on" in the presence of low testosterone will just eat your muscle away imo

    that has been my experience after a few PCT's

  24. Quote Originally Posted by Hcc5881 View Post
    its funny you said that... my last cycle, i didn't work out much the first 2 weeks of pct then worked out moderately for the last 2 and i kept my gains better that cycle than any other cycle... hmm... you might be on to something.
    I agree.... "Ahaaa...ahaaa...ahaaa!"

    Dr. Albert Scott Representative for FINAFLEX
    www.finaflex.com
    Redefine Yourself..... REDEFINE EVERYTHING!

  25. Quote Originally Posted by chocolatemilk View Post
    morry I noticed you're not using serms. im the same way.

    i also don't workout week 1 of PCT and in week 2 i do resistance band training only for muscle pumps. I also up my calories by a little.

    for the average natural joe working out will spike cortisol levels and through resting testosterone will kick in and its effects will outweigh the cortisol effects

    for the steroid user in the first weeks of PCT... letting cortisol levels rise by lifting hard and heavy like you're still "on" in the presence of low testosterone will just eat your muscle away imo

    that has been my experience after a few PCT's
    That's very interesting, is that the case all the time though? I mean you hear some people training hard during PCT but keep their gains or most of them? I never thought of it that way good post.
    I hope everybody thinks i'm crazy, because you cannot be a sane person and go through the type of pain i am willing to put myself through to be where i want to be, Once I completely win the war between my mind and body, my reign will begin. ~Me
  •   

      
     

Similar Forum Threads

  1. Test/Tren/Masteron/SD....Too Much?
    By Wudog in forum Anabolics
    Replies: 28
    Last Post: 10-06-2011, 05:47 PM
  2. Replies: 28
    Last Post: 08-31-2011, 12:37 AM
  3. Replies: 4
    Last Post: 07-18-2011, 12:31 PM
  4. Test P, Tren, Masteron, Winst.
    By Aes in forum Anabolics
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 12-24-2007, 10:41 AM
  5. Test P, Tren, Masteron, Winst.
    By Aes in forum Post Cycle Therapy
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 12-23-2007, 04:00 PM
Log in
Log in