A Legend Returns...an epic Morry Log NPP/Masteron/TNE/Test/Tren Xtreme

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  1. He walked away last time ripped to shreds and a about the same weight as the end of his cycle. Look at his avi that was in PCT if I remember correctly.
    Live Hard, Laugh Hard, Love Hard and Heal Fast! - KLEEN
    Current Training Log -
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/276206-kleen-strong-body.html


  2. npp was my favorite compound- gained 7lb while cutting at 2500 cals ed and doing cardio everyday- 7 lbs while cutting- insane
    Test e/dbol/epi/winnie
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/164764-schwellington-has-been.html
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    training is going great.... im studying to take the nsca exam again....... maybe sometime in the spring... i was jk about the shout out its no biggie..... the important thing is you kill this fcking cycle...


    ur running hcg right?


    i get worried about 19nors and the suppression they can cause... but i am def liking the effects they are reported to have!






    WE NEED BEFORE PICS NAOW!!!!


    btw, that epic lethargy you had was probably due to the ph.. (xtreme)


    remember we had a conversation about that epi that was giving me problems? you might as well stick with a low dose of dbol for a kicker... or maybe some tbol or something... these otc aas have some crazy sides IME
    Def HCG. I'll be starting that early next week. 250 ius twice a week.

    I know that my source is more than legit. The gear is so smooth, I pinned 6ml and didn't even get all that sore. Just one quad. Maybe dbol next time. Not sure. We'll see.

    I'm glad things are going well bro.






    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Sleepy thing was no doubt a bout of hypoglycemia. Hungry, hungry muscles suck up glycogen. Highly androgenic substances make muscles hungry. You don't keep adding fuel to the fire or add too many simple of carbs with no moderate or slow carbs and low blood sugar will do that. I know you, play with your nutrients around that time Morry you will have it licked in no time flat. I used to go hypo all the time before I got my insulin under control just from my natural tendencies with my family. So I am very familiar with bouts of hypo and that sounds just like one IMO.
    "You must spread some reputation around before giving it to Kleen again"

    You rock Chris. I had some idea, but you connected the dots. I'll be incorporating a banana around the time I take the 60mg and see how that goes. I'll burn it off and then some with my circuits anyhow. Sh1t, I'll burn it off in cardio.


    Quote Originally Posted by WhatsaRoid? View Post
    How do you like npp? I'm thinking of ordering the raws myself but so far have never tried it.
    Too early to tell bro. HC and Scwell are both better sources of information regarding NPP than I as of now. Get with me in a few weeks. Or better yet, follow along. I'll tell ya!


    Quote Originally Posted by Hcc5881 View Post
    wow. a good ****ing piece of info. best ive seen in a while. mrkleen just got cool points. very impressed.
    Told you HC, Kleen is the man! He has always proved to be an invaluable source of information. That is why I feel so honored to have some off the most well respected guys following along. Won't let any of you down.


    Quote Originally Posted by mattrag View Post
    SUBBED!


    Looks amazing dude.
    Welcome and I hope so!


    Quote Originally Posted by thetinyguy View Post
    Wow this does look amazing, in for the epicness!
    Glad you came along for the ride. It is going to get interesting.


    Quote Originally Posted by RickRock13 View Post
    Alright....no homo, but where the hell is the starting pics bro!?
    End of week one I'll post the pics. No homo

    I even have a pic of me before the cut. Jesus I got fat


    Quote Originally Posted by Meister View Post
    I'm definitely trusting that you know your body and that you will not need a SERM after this. If you can run this cycle and walk away without BOOBS, then you rock!


    Good Luck!
    No luck needed brother. Check out my PCT thread.

    Morry's effin PCT bishes (PICS?...YUH)

    It is fact my friend. SERMS are not for me. I have also helped a few other guys look outside the box too. I stayed ripped and no SERM. It does require an exact procedure, but it works well. Take a look


    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    He walked away last time ripped to shreds and a about the same weight as the end of his cycle. Look at his avi that was in PCT if I remember correctly.
    That's an affirmative Kleen.


    Quote Originally Posted by schwellington View Post
    npp was my favorite compound- gained 7lb while cutting at 2500 cals ed and doing cardio everyday- 7 lbs while cutting- insane
    I can't wait for it to kick it!!!
    Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    lol in highschool i ran the original halodrol 50 for 8 weeks with clenbuterol and vodka as pct
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/193259-begins-morry-vs.html

  4. Day 3

    weight 196 (-2)

    Back Shoulders

    I pinned 100mg NPP this morning. No issues. I also pinned 37.5mg TNE before workout. Took 30mg Xtreme in the AM and the 60 mg with the TNE about 1.5 hours before workout. I had some carbs about an hour before the Xtreme and guess what? Kleen was EXACTLY right. I still had some lethargy, but not nearly what I experienced yesterday. By the time I got to the gym I was ready, besides the fact that I left my Vibrams at the house and had to run and get them.

    DLs 135x10, 225x15, 275x2, then I had to stop. I tweaked something in my lower back. Not good, but def didn't stop my workout. I'll work around this for the time being. I'm almost positive I have identified what I did in form to do this. I don't foresee this becoming a major problem.

    Military press the 80s x5, then went to full bar 135x 6, 135x5. All in a circuit with face pulls. Heavy face pulls. Felt really good.

    I was cautious with my back for the rest of the workout. The only thing I had to go light on was shrugs and bent over rows, so I hit them volume, 135x16, 135x14, 135x12 (shrugs) and 55s with the one armed, bent over rows, slow and easy with a double negative. I still got a great burn from doing this.

    My strength is coming back pretty quick. I'm happy with today for the most part. The TNE and Xtreme are treating me well. I honestly don't feel anything else as of yet.

    I am experiencing headaches, but I don't think it is the gear. I got some contact lenses and they have been driving me insane. I thought I would at least note it in here for informational purposes, but my honest opinion is the headaches are caused by the contacts. Glasses should be here in a week or so. Then I'll know for sure.

    10 min before and after workout of HISS cardio. I stayed around 165-180 bpm and as high as 190 for the whole time barring my first 1.5 min that it took for me to get there on my first 10 min.

    All in all, I feel good, but I haven't gotten that feel good felling yet from the test. I front loaded the sh1t out of it, but I know it will be a few more days before I can tell. I'm taking letro and haven't experienced any tenderness or puffiness of the nips from the TNE. That's a good sign for now. I only have enough TNE for a day or two more. Then I'll be switching to Aromasin.

    I'll be adding T3 next week. After some more research, I'll ramp up from 25 to 50mcg, but stay there as long as it is effective. I am waiting for the test to kick in before I start T3. I don't want it to be any more catabolic than I can help. On 600 mg of test c, 300-450mg of NPP, and 540mg of Xtreme, I doubt it will be, but I need all that to be active to make sure it isn't.

    I took some aleve for the back and am about to hit the sack. Tomorrow I was going to do legs and arms, but I'll prob do chest and abs to give my back another day. Even then though, I'll use machines for squats to keep the load off the back. Hopefully the NPP will help me out and allow me to lift without any pain (bad pain not good, good pain is what we all are looking for, right?). We'll see. Regardless, I'll shift things around and push forwards.

    I pin 300mg of test c in the morning. Took letro tonight. Caber in the morning as well.


    Morry
    Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    lol in highschool i ran the original halodrol 50 for 8 weeks with clenbuterol and vodka as pct
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/193259-begins-morry-vs.html

  5. as expected great discussion and fun in this thread.I can smell another classic thread in the making
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  6. I slack for a day or two and look how this thread has blown up!!
    Re-subbed, herr morry.

    You gonna kick so much friggin' ass!!!

    On a side note:
    Do you have a girlfriend right now? Because the combination of Masteron and Caber is gonna transform you into the horniest of horn-dogs out there.

    Give it to her good, ol' boy!!
    THE PAIN YOU ENDURE TODAY WILL PRODUCE THE POWER YOU ENJOY TOMORROW!!

    "Ye are gods, and all of you are children of the most High."

  7. Quote Originally Posted by edwitt View Post
    Let the games begin
    Games-master, where you been???

    It's good to see back on AM, matey!!
    THE PAIN YOU ENDURE TODAY WILL PRODUCE THE POWER YOU ENJOY TOMORROW!!

    "Ye are gods, and all of you are children of the most High."

  8. Nice update and great workout. Keep doing your thing man. Can't wait to see what the coming weeks bring!
    Recoverbro Elite
    "This is what we've been working on"

  9. Dont wanna lose this thread. Sub'n
    :blindfold:

  10. I keep thinking about giving Masteron a whirl, but still haven't.

  11. This is a sick cycle, will be following along as I am really curious about your thoughts on NPP and Masteron.
    If my direct and cynical approach bothers you, just ignore it. I'm just saying what you need to hear ;).

  12. OK... I'm SUB'd here as well, is this going to be the LOG or the other one? I'm confused, not hard to do, LoL!
    Dr. Albert Scott Representative for FINAFLEX
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    Redefine Yourself..... REDEFINE EVERYTHING!

  13. Quote Originally Posted by mich29 View Post
    as expected great discussion and fun in this thread.I can smell another classic thread in the making
    All the ones contributing are making it that way. All I'm doing is pinning gear, eating right, working out like an animal and logging the sh1t out of it. The rest is all up to you guys.


    Quote Originally Posted by thundergod View Post
    I slack for a day or two and look how this thread has blown up!!
    Re-subbed, herr morry.


    You gonna kick so much friggin' ass!!!


    On a side note:
    Do you have a girlfriend right now? Because the combination of Masteron and Caber is gonna transform you into the horniest of horn-dogs out there.


    Give it to her good, ol' boy!!
    Ummm, I wouldn't say I have a steady girlfriend. There are too many to pick from. Why settle on one? They'll get it just the same


    Quote Originally Posted by RickRock13 View Post
    Nice update and great workout. Keep doing your thing man. Can't wait to see what the coming weeks bring!
    Thanks. You and I both.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hcc5881 View Post
    Cant wait to see the before, first week, and second week pics!
    You didn't say no homo.


    Quote Originally Posted by monstermash View Post
    Dont wanna lose this thread. Sub'n
    Welcome!!!


    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    I keep thinking about giving Masteron a whirl, but still haven't.
    We'll find out what I think in another 4 weeks or so. At 200 mg EOD, I imagine I'll start feeling it the first week I'm on it.


    Quote Originally Posted by oufinny View Post
    This is a sick cycle, will be following along as I am really curious about your thoughts on NPP and Masteron.
    It will all be right here. Thanks for following and welcom.


    Quote Originally Posted by ScottyDoc View Post
    OK... I'm SUB'd here as well, is this going to be the LOG or the other one? I'm confused, not hard to do, LoL!
    Lmao, I think you got it figured out now.Welcome my friend.
    Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    lol in highschool i ran the original halodrol 50 for 8 weeks with clenbuterol and vodka as pct
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/193259-begins-morry-vs.html

  14. Day 4

    weight 201 (+4)

    I pinned 300mg of Test cyp this morning. Pinned TNE and took Xtreme as I have been.

    The weight is up because the carbs I added. Yup, I broke Primal today. I kept getting light headed bc I haven't been bringing my lunch, just cooking a big breakfast and eating a yogurt during the day. This isn't going to be enough. The anabolics are requiring a lot more cals. So I ran out, grabbed a sandwich and my light headedness went away. I also waited to eat my yogurt until rright before I took the 60 mg of Xtreme. This extra food solved the lethargy entirely. I'm in a rush to shed the fat, but the fact is, my muscles are hungry and the fat will come off regardless. I'm upping cals. I won't be eating complex carbs if I can help it. The extra cals will be healthy fats, proteins and fruits. I'll switch things around and let you guys know.
    I'm pretty sure the weight is just water weight from adding the carbs.

    The extra cals made my workout a breeze. I went easy as it was my second day of chest. Hit the BB at 275x3 and pyramided down from there. I'm also incorporating grapple twist for my obliques. I'm loving these. I think I'm starting to feel the other compounds. The workout today was too easy, but the weight was no joke (not real heavy bit def not light). I'm hoping this is the NPP and test C kicking in. I think I have enough TNE for at least one more day. Still no estro sides. The low dose of letro is doing its job.

    I used a heating pad at work for my back and took some Aleve. I know naproxen can lower the ability to build muscle but I can't afford the inflammation. My back didn't ache a bit during the workout. I'll be icing and putting the heating pad on it back and forth to sooth the pull. It isn't bad and I think if I'm careful it won't be a problem.

    When I got home, i was ready to workout again. This cycle is going great so far. I just need to focus on form, nutrition and using these anabolics to my greatest advantage. I'll stop worrying about getting a few point of BF of so quick and we'll see what happens. Eating Primal keeps me dry as it is. I can tell I'm a bit bloated tonight. We'll see how the weight is tomorrow after the workout. I won't be taking in any complex carbs tomorrow.

    Cardio was the same, 10 before, 10 after.

    I'll pin NPP in the morning. Took caber this morning. Will take letro before I go to bed.

    Tomorrow is Legs and Arms. I'll be using machines and not free squat.

    Pics on Monday.


    Morry
    Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    lol in highschool i ran the original halodrol 50 for 8 weeks with clenbuterol and vodka as pct
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/193259-begins-morry-vs.html

  15. This log gives an entire new meaning to attention to detail. Great Job!!

    Cannot wait to see the pics. (No Homo)
    "THE DARK SIDE"

  16. glad to see someone else who enjoys some femara

  17. Subd! Looking forward to seeing how it all goes! Sounds like a mad cycle!

  18. Alright I guess this is my official sub. I swear I did this earlier but alright. Kill it Morry. In to see some starting pics.

  19. Great stuff Morry!
    Recoverbro Elite
    "This is what we've been working on"

  20. Quote Originally Posted by morry View Post
    I kept getting light headed bc I haven't been bringing my lunch, just cooking a big breakfast and eating a yogurt during the day. This isn't going to be enough. The anabolics are requiring a lot more cals. So I ran out, grabbed a sandwich and my light headedness went away. I also waited to eat my yogurt until rright before I took the 60 mg of Xtreme. This extra food solved the lethargy entirely. I'm in a rush to shed the fat, but the fact is, my muscles are hungry and the fat will come off regardless. I'm upping cals. I won't be eating complex carbs if I can help it. The extra cals will be healthy fats, proteins and fruits. I'll switch things around and let you guys know.

    I'm hoping this is the NPP and test C kicking in.


    Morry
    Good call on eating something with that Tren-Xtreme.......it requires it. You can't starve yourself and expect strength gains.......or any gains for that matter. Eat.......eat sensibly......but eat!!


    And you know that Test-Cyp ain't kickin' yet.........it takes up to 4 weeks or slightly longer to truly be kicking.
    What you're experiencing is the NPP and the TNE rearing their frightful heads!!

    I wish you had some more TNE or at least a little Prop to take for the next couple of weeks.
    But that Tren-Xtreme will be kicking for you regardless.


    Thunder
    THE PAIN YOU ENDURE TODAY WILL PRODUCE THE POWER YOU ENJOY TOMORROW!!

    "Ye are gods, and all of you are children of the most High."

  21. Any pain in that TNE injection?

  22. I agree with the above. YOU need to eat more morry.. Stop worrying about the girly figure and get yo weight up son! Lets see morry at 220

  23. Why no complex carbs?
    You are born small and weak, you die small and weak...How you look in-between is entirely up to you...

  24. Quote Originally Posted by thundergod
    Good call on eating something with that Tren-Xtreme.......it requires it. You can't starve yourself and expect strength gains.......or any gains for that matter. Eat.......eat sensibly......but eat!!

    And you know that Test-Cyp ain't kickin' yet.........it takes up to 4 weeks or slightly longer to truly be kicking.
    What you're experiencing is the NPP and the TNE rearing their frightful heads!!

    I wish you had some more TNE or at least a little Prop to take for the next couple of weeks.
    But that Tren-Xtreme will be kicking for you regardless.

    Thunder
    Agreed on the diet. It was a much needed modification.

    On to the test cyp and TNE.
    (Estimates)
    Test cyp half life: 8 days
    TNE: 39 hours (very recent study, used to be thought of as shorter)

    Using the half life equation and factoring in ester weight, my body has metabolized roughly 200 mg test cyp and 91mg TNE.

    By my next cyp pin, that will be 455 mg which is slightly above the 600 mg test cyp desired level. Meaning ill have hit stable levels by day 8 and be a third of the way there by day 4. This is why I frontloaded so heavy (1.3 grams in first week) and chose 37.5 of TNE per day.

    That being said, you have a boat load more of experience than me. What are your thoughts with a frontload keeping half life and ester weight in mind?
    Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    lol in highschool i ran the original halodrol 50 for 8 weeks with clenbuterol and vodka as pct
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/193259-begins-morry-vs.html

  25. Quote Originally Posted by morry View Post
    Agreed on the diet. It was a much needed modification.

    On to the test cyp and TNE.
    (Estimates)
    Test cyp half life: 8 days
    TNE: 39 hours (very recent study, used to be thought of as shorter)

    Using the half life equation and factoring in ester weight, my body has metabolized roughly 200 mg test cyp and 91mg TNE.

    By my next cyp pin, that will be 455 mg which is slightly above the 600 mg test cyp desired level. Meaning ill have hit stable levels by day 8 and be a third of the way there by day 4. This is why I frontloaded so heavy (1.3 grams in first week) and chose 37.5 of TNE per day.

    That being said, you have a boat load more of experience than me. What are your thoughts with a frontload keeping half life and ester weight in mind?
    Even though the half-life of Cyp is around 8 days, that doesn't mean that you will start realizing and experiencing the gains from it at day 8. Search the boards.......most all users testify that they don't really "feel" Cyp or Enanthate truly kicking in until around week 4 or so. I know it's true for me. Now if you had been cruising Cyp at a lower dose, you wouldn't have this wait time. You would feel the increased dosages the very first week.

    On a similar note, you know that D-Bol's half-life is around 6 hours.......that does NOT mean you will start seeing gains from it that quick.
    It's takes about 2 weeks to start seeing and feeling the effects.

    Even the TNE takes about a week to start feeling its effects in the gym......and bedroom. ha ha But once it gets revved up, you can feel the dosage you pin about 1.5 to 2 hours......pretty quick stuff.


    And you know this...........mayne!! lol
    THE PAIN YOU ENDURE TODAY WILL PRODUCE THE POWER YOU ENJOY TOMORROW!!

    "Ye are gods, and all of you are children of the most High."

  26. Quote Originally Posted by thundergod
    Even though the half-life of Cyp is around 8 days, that doesn't mean that you will start realizing and experiencing the gains from it at day 8. Search the boards.......most all users testify that they don't really "feel" Cyp or Enanthate truly kicking in until around week 4 or so. I know it's true for me. Now if you had been cruising Cyp at a lower dose, you wouldn't have this wait time. You would feel the increased dosages the very first week.

    On a similar note, you know that D-Bol's half-life is around 6 hours.......that does NOT mean you will start seeing gains from it that quick.
    It's takes about 2 weeks to start seeing and feeling the effects.

    Even the TNE takes about a week to start feeling its effects in the gym......and bedroom. ha ha But once it gets revved up, you can feel the dosage you pin about 1.5 to 2 hours......pretty quick stuff.

    And you know this...........mayne!! lol
    Well said.

    The stuff I've read let me know front loading decreased this time to 4-8 days. I'm not saying you aren't right bc I'm certain you are. I'm just looking to understand.
    Frontloading with double the dosage still means it will be week 3 or 4 before I start to feel it?
    Either way, thank god I had TNE and Xtreme.
    Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    lol in highschool i ran the original halodrol 50 for 8 weeks with clenbuterol and vodka as pct
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/193259-begins-morry-vs.html

  27. Quote Originally Posted by Hcc5881
    IN THEORY, frontloading makes perfect sense. In reality, i am not sure if it works or not. I frontloaded my current cycle but i never get that "feeling" of being on or off so without drawing blood, i simply don't know. I would like to see a half way decent study on frontloading where the user gets blood results every 3 days for about 2 weeks or so... Hell, i would probably even fund it. I would do it myself but I am already midway through cycle. There are soooo many rumors about frontloading, we should write science and not bro science. A study like this would be perfect.
    That being said, Nandrolone is also more anabolic than test on paper. But we know that most people experience better gains through test than nandrolone. Again, I want to run a frontload study. Many people would benefit from it. Anyone interested, PM me.
    You and I both.
    Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    lol in highschool i ran the original halodrol 50 for 8 weeks with clenbuterol and vodka as pct
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/193259-begins-morry-vs.html

  28. Quote Originally Posted by MakaveliThaDon
    Any pain in that TNE injection?
    Nope. Micronized and suspended in oil. Smooth as butter. Putting it in the delt too.
    Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    lol in highschool i ran the original halodrol 50 for 8 weeks with clenbuterol and vodka as pct
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/193259-begins-morry-vs.html

  29. Quote Originally Posted by BarbellBeast
    I agree with the above. YOU need to eat more morry.. Stop worrying about the girly figure and get yo weight up son! Lets see morry at 220
    I know, I know. No more, I swear. 220, Jesus!!! Maybe tho....
    Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    lol in highschool i ran the original halodrol 50 for 8 weeks with clenbuterol and vodka as pct
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/193259-begins-morry-vs.html

  30. Quote Originally Posted by pillsRgood
    Why no complex carbs?
    Primal mayne.
    Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    lol in highschool i ran the original halodrol 50 for 8 weeks with clenbuterol and vodka as pct
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/193259-begins-morry-vs.html
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