90% of the stuff on this site is BS
- 03-28-2011, 08:26 PM
90% of the stuff on this site is BS
I haven't been on this site in about 2 years.
I used to be big into weight lifting. I obsessed about my diet and supplements. I remember spending hundreds each month on supplements. I was in great shape but let's be real, that is no way to live.
During the past 2 years, I attended culinary school and recently graduated. I of course learned how to cook some great meals. Combining my new knowledge of food and what I used to do, I have some thoughts:
Why do people obsess about this crap? Is fruit sugar bad? Casein protein? Must drink protein shake within 10 minutes of workout. I can't have 1 beer cause it'll ruin my gains. WTF
Just eat good, clean food. Focus on animals that are raised and fed well. Make sure you eat lots of fruits and veggies. Just live your life. Eat food your grandparents could have eaten as kids and you'll be fine. Eat real food.
Look at sculptures of ancient Greeks. Do you think they were taking their whey and NO2 religiously? No. They ate good food and were active. Simple.
- 03-28-2011, 09:16 PM
too each their own
- 03-28-2011, 09:27 PM
How do you think people get educated on these subjects? The find some place and read and ask questions.Training around a jacked up neck.
03-28-2011, 09:34 PM
I love obsessing about this stuff, lol
I love training.
I love supplements.
I love living the bodybuilding life style.
Glad you found your passion.
03-28-2011, 09:36 PM
03-28-2011, 10:02 PM
Oh and I also love eating 6-8 healthy hearty meals a day I just wish I was a better cook! Maybe you can start a thread, chef?
03-28-2011, 10:06 PM
90% BS? What is your source? Please post a study or its just broscience. How do you know its not 80%?
03-28-2011, 10:11 PM
For me, the action IS the juice.
03-28-2011, 10:14 PM
btw, thank you for saying 'greek sculptures' and 'our grandparents'.
NOT, '' Ug the caveman''
For me, the action IS the juice.
03-28-2011, 10:27 PM
It takes me to a place where race doesn't matter, a place I can escape to and not worry about the ****ed up economy, who got murdered on the 11:00 News, or how ****ty the world is and how greedy people are. It takes me back to watching Conan with my Dad, playing with my He-man toys thinking "Damn look at those arms on He-man!!" It takes me into the comic books and I'm the real life superhero. It keeps me in a place I can always dream big, and always be the kid in my basement with the boombox trying to get some muscles, not worried all the time about bills and relationship problems. I dont give a **** about Regis and Kelly, CSI, or showing off my cool new cell phone or car. I wont sit on the sidelines and just watch my son play, I'll play the game with him. I'll never be boring and old like everybody else, because I'll never lose that kid who was 10 yrs old wanting to be somebody. Thats why I obsess over it
03-28-2011, 10:55 PM
It is completely to each their own. You saying "why do people care" and "that is no way to live" when talking about a sport/hobby people like is like me saying "culinary class. pffft!! why would you want to do that!!? That isn't a good career." you chose do do it because it grabbed your interest and I am guessing you enjoy it. That is what it is all about. YOU ENJOY IT. Others enjoy educating themselves with what works in relation to lifting/dieting.
I will sleep with you AND your pet for 50 bucks!
03-29-2011, 12:01 AM
And I don't buy that nonsense about guys in greek times being ripped and built either. They are just sculptures of an ideal, not the average greek man.
03-29-2011, 12:23 AM
I have to disagree. My dad wasnt from a well off family. He was the first to go to college. His parents did grow tons of food. He worked in the yard. He worked on an oil rig between semesters to pay for school. Thats where alot of his strength and physique came from.
he is 5'5'' or maybe 5'4''. in college he weighed 130lbs pure muscle and benched 315 studying to be a petroleum engineer. He is still more muscular now than I am and hes 68.
There was none of this whey protein and Pre workout drinks and ****.
btw, the only reason i mentioned the greek sculptures and grand parents was because i was making a joke about all of these 'Tards always talking about what the caveman did and how evolution did this and that.
oh and by the way, the professional roided out bodybuilders of today look like complete **** compared to the bodybuilders of the 70s. Back then it was about proportions and making the physique look awesome and sculpted. Not a bunch of people trying to get the biggest as possible. They all look like Bane from batman. Bloated and sloppy.
For me, the action IS the juice.
03-29-2011, 12:57 AM
I really think the food quality and lack of chemicals in the food in our grandparents time made a big difference in physiques then. That and more active lifestyles and a good sleep pattern undisturbed by computer screens like I'm at right now . And who says 16ozs of organic or even better "unpasteurized" milk isn't a great post workout shake? Sometimes I do that instead of whey protein. That's what my dad did after his lifts.
But lol about the cavemans. I still laugh when people say cavemen evolved the myostatin gene to prevent themselves from becoming overly muscle bound which would have prevented them from running away from beast and dinosaurs. I hear that one all too often.
03-29-2011, 01:07 AM
70% of statistics are made up
03-29-2011, 01:25 AM
90% of the stuff on this site is user experience, I wouldnt call it BS
Everything/most everything on here is from what users have experienced. Different things work for different people.
Doesn't necessarily mean its going to work for you. Just what worked for them.
If you want to follow the advice, go for it.
If not, on to the next one.
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03-29-2011, 01:31 AM
Well, there are forums where some people obsess about their cars. And, we all know for a fact that could not happen if the aforementioned cavemen had not invented the wheel.
Training around a jacked up neck.
03-29-2011, 02:59 AM
Only the statue of Hercules would live up to my expectations of what I want to look like. Do you even look at greek sculptures? A lot of them are lithe like depications of Apollo.Look at sculptures of ancient Greeks. Do you think they were taking their whey and NO2 religiously? No. They ate good food and were active. Simple.
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03-29-2011, 03:06 AM
Sorry to step on some toes but if someone gets offended by my comment, they're probably one of them.
03-29-2011, 03:25 AM
03-29-2011, 04:01 AM
When I first joined this site, I gained 15 pounds of raw muscle in about 2-3 months. I don't think I could've done that at culinary school...
03-29-2011, 05:45 AM
When i try to help someone may it be with a supplement or food or training i give the facts that true and what worked for me.Now everybody responds differently to food.supps.ect.. and i research everything before i use or try and don't take info from just one source i narrow it down and try.Its the only way to see if it works for me.Take the good with the bad!As for the no way to live comm. it beats being in a bar or crackhouse for me!!!(been sober for 3plus yrs. and owe it to the lord and my new obbession FITNESS!!!)
03-29-2011, 06:00 AM
go do some floor sweepers so you can look like that greek dude....i'll be over there moving real weight
03-29-2011, 06:22 AM
03-29-2011, 06:54 AM
Also if it weren't for the male anti-aging site i would of never known that i had a thyroid problem and low test at the time (thanks mr.Matrix)even though it cost me $2500 (no ins.)im doing better.Stupid overtraining! But with the help from everyone here im getting in great shape!Just sucks that the weight i was lifting before my time off went down alot.Starting fresh and using all the wisdom i picked up from you's to get it right this time.Rome wasn't built in a day!!!LOL!
03-29-2011, 07:30 AM
It's usually the inexperienced that overthink every aspect. To paraphrase Wendler, you can give someone a routine that covers 90% of their program, but they'll always obsess over that last 10%.
Plus, there is a huge ambiguity on "good, clean food." What is healthy to one person may be garbage to the next person.
M.Ed. Ex Phys
03-29-2011, 07:42 AM
03-29-2011, 08:07 AM
You make some good points, I'll put numbers by the and add my comments below.
1. I think you are on to something, and we can expand on this. There is a term called big-orexia (or muscular dysmorphy). In this condition you have a unreal view of your own muscularity. Much like an anorexic thinks he/she is still over weight, someone who has this condition thinks they are small when they really are not.
Its not the same as someone in competition assessing their physique and saying: "I need to gain 15 pounds and increase the size of my thighs by 1.5 inches to compete against Mr XYZ this summer". You still understand that you are well built, and that people view you as well built.
Which I think may reflect a good many of us on this site.
What it is, is: being well built, looking at yourself in the mirror, and thinking "I'm so small, he's bigger, that guys bigger" and it effects your view of self worth. You do not view yourself as well built or muscular, and you think people view you as small.
The prior is healthy, its competitive, and its realistic.
The latter is what we see in many young men, and its not healthy, its sociopathically obsessive, and it can lead to many destructive activities.
Its one thing to use supplements and expect to see results. That's fine.
Its another thing to use supplements, attribute all your success to a supplement, and expect to lose everything and more when stopping it. This is not healthy. This is a mental addiction to a compound.
Unfortunately, muscle dysmorphia effects a lot of young men (ages 10-20), just like anorexia effects a lot of young women in the same age. And, it can lead to more dangerous, risky activities.
It can lead to prolonged, compulsive steroid use.
It can lead to a loss of desire to be social: reduced dating, loss of freinds, loss of interest in school/work, etc.
That said, when we talk about muscle dysmorphia and that obsession to train, eat, etc., we need to separate the healthy/competitive version from the pathological version. Unfortunately, this is not something that is done regularly by the media or school psychologists/social workers.
2. Again, this kind of goes back to the first group of comments.
Obsessing over food year round is pathological. If everything you think about is: What am I going to eat at this time? And, even worse, if you worry about what you will eat at what time, especially when you are out of your normal daily activities (ie: a high schooler on a field trip) Thats pathological.
If, however, you are in season preparing for an event or competition, and you have a plan set in place...that's not pathological.
However, this activity can often carry over beyond the competition, and result in a pathological obsession. This is something that most bodybuilders need to monitor. The offseason is the offseason. Its a time to enjoy the amenities of life a little more, and let the body and mind recover from a contest.
And, since bodybuilding is an extreme sport (psychologically), its not uncommon to take things to the extreme. Is fruit sugar bad? Not if you are getting it from a fruit and eating less than 50g per day (an apple a day keeps the doctor away, 6 apples a day...not so good).
Alcohol is more of a luxury item. It really does not offer much in the way of nutrition, except empty calories and some antioxidants in stouts or red wines. A drink or 2 is not going to hurt gains in the average fitness enthusiasts, and one drink is actually beneficial.
3. I will say one thing, after reviewing the diets of probably close to a thousand bodybuilders, I notice one major deficit. Variety! There is no intra-meal variety nor day to day variety. Varying your food sources (protein, carbs, fats, veggies and fruits) on a daily (or intra-meal) basis will ensure a good intake of micro-nutrients.
Lastly, (and I grant you good physiques) even the ancient greeks used supplements. Granted it wasn't NO2 (useless), but they did eat bull testicles and various herbs with the hope of enhancing performance. The majority of the city-states were actually quite obsessive societies.
03-29-2011, 09:12 AM
50 second mark
But in all seriousness, it's a personal thing. I agree with what a lot of people have said, particularly SC. I've taken time away where I haven't focused as much and you know what? I missed it.
We all have certain things we strive for and certain ways we're genetically wired. I was a chubby kid when I was in junior high. I loved touching my first weight in high school and the power that it gave me. I love the way that I can choose to make my body look. The more I've learned, the more I've even cut down on spending on supplements (how about that? ).
At the end of the day, just like virtually everything else, it's going to come down to what do I want to do? So, your opinion is valid, but don't come in and say that essentially everything (lol @ 90%, btw) on here is BS, when in fact, you just disagree with it (which is fine!).
Psalm 34:10 - "The lions may grow weak and hungry, but those who seek the Lord lack no good thing."
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03-29-2011, 09:18 AM
03-29-2011, 09:30 AM
I can agree most supps are not necessary, but they are convenient for a busy lifestyle to assure you get what you need daily. That may look like a cop out, but really it isn't. An example of how to see supps aren't necessarily that is probably better then your greek sculpture reference would be people in Jail. They have no supps and many of them are the biggest/strongest folks you would meet in the real world...one thing they have on their side is a lot of free time and honestly they cannot even eat "clean" .
I agree on many points you made but to say 90% of what you can take away from this site is BS...well that in and of itself is a BS statement IMO. Yes there is a lot of hype for products, but if one does the research and makes an informed decision using sources outside of the site than they are taking the right steps to hopefully yield the results they are looking for.
I enjoyed your post/rant.
Last edited by Rebel29073; 03-29-2011 at 09:31 AM. Reason: correction
03-29-2011, 11:04 AM
03-29-2011, 11:07 AM
I worked in a jail for awhile. They weren't that big, lol
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03-29-2011, 11:10 AM
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I think that most of the guys who spend time obessing on minute details probably generate enough cortisol from obsessing to negate the 2-5% better gains they get from getting perfectly timed intake of everything.
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03-29-2011, 11:56 AM
03-29-2011, 11:59 AM
This is simply my passion. I enjoy reading about peoples experiences with various diet, training, and supplementation and then trying to figure out how it all works together and the various effects it has on our body. The people on the site are great! Supportive and some very well informed people, just all around a great community to be involved in if this is your passion.
If cooking is your passion then that's great! I'm glad you found something that you enjoy, but since you don't have a passion for or don't enjoy learning about supplementation or various diet tactics don't come trash us.
I'm sure there is a culinary forum somewhere, join up and stress over what sauce to make with what meat and pair with what wine.
Reps bro that was an epic response !!
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03-29-2011, 12:04 PM
03-29-2011, 12:22 PM
03-29-2011, 12:22 PM
03-29-2011, 12:27 PM
Gear and food make supplements obsolete.
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