Not follow strict diet - anyone do this?
- 01-15-2011, 04:40 PM
Not follow strict diet - anyone do this?
Evening bros; been thinking ‘bout my training lately and have decided to keep training with weights but enjoy it more; but also taking up more interest in sport again. I used to play a lot of badminton and squash; which I stopped in my quest for muscle and size; thinking that anytime I expended any energy; I wouldn’t be ganing muscle; thus not progressing.
I posted a thread on over-training and feeling bad the other day.
I think in the past i have been very guilty of not living; as i wanted to keep everything clean; everything focused on training and eating correctly; but i do think i have now realised life is too short to not enjoy things; i wont ever step on bodybuilding stage.
But I want to take a step back; start enjoying training again and do it for the reasons I started in the first place; to enjoy it and to make myself look better. Does any1 here not follow a strict bodybuilding diet? And not really care if they have abs out all year round; or having striations in their gluteus maximsusususus? I know that I am asking this on a forum where a lot of people compete; so guess most people are really onto of everything and don’t cheat; don’t deviate; and don’t relax their diets?
I would be interested from you bros; to hear who just eats clean but doesn’t really count calories; doesn’t mind if they have a Chinese if they want one; don’t mind having a chocolate biscuit if they want one; and just get on with it. I think I have become quite anti-social over the years in my quest to follow an amazing diet and hardcore training approach; yet no ambition to compete.
- 01-15-2011, 05:02 PM
im in this category. i eat good 4-6 times a day and ill eat anything i see. if im low on protein ill throw in a shake or two. works for meSerious Nutrition Solutions
- 01-15-2011, 05:21 PM
01-15-2011, 05:31 PM
You have to know what your body can handle, what you can get away with and can't. Just because one is serious and hardcore does not mean that they are perfect and everything is strict all the time - even if it IS strict, it does not mean that they don't live life
01-15-2011, 08:06 PM
I don't really follow a strict diet. I'm not really a bodybuilder. I lift / cardio and diet to stay in good shape and keep feeling good - that's first. Second, my body does respond pretty good to training and I'm curious about how my body works so that kind of keeps me motivated and trying new things.
My "diet" is mostly just ... stay away from processed foods. This isn't a religion for me though. I just left visiting my Mom and Dad and they had pizza over there - so I ate pizza ... happily. But staying away from processed foods tends to allow me to eat as much as I want without getting fat. If I get a craving for something processed or sweet - I trust my body is telling me there is something in that cake it needs - so I eat it with a big smile on my face. But most of the time my body craves red meat, white meat, eggs nuts, fruits, and veggies.
I'm 49. You can put me in any room with 100 other 49 year olds and I'll be the one in the best shape there - no doubt.
So I don't think I need to be a religious zealot about dieting. I'm pretty dialed in.
I will tell you this - the one thing I DO miss ... is alcohol. I never had a problem with it - I was always a social drinker. But there are times I'd like to have a glass of wine or some moonshine like I used to and just unwind. But I'm a complete teetotaler now - I won't touch a drop just because I believe the stuff is poison and it definitely lowers testosterone at a point in my life when age alone needs no help in doing that!
01-15-2011, 10:59 PM
I constantly have tiny snack when I get hungry in between meals. a tsp of PB here or there, a spoonful of protein powder. I eat 7 meals a day already, but I don't let myself stay starving for 2 hours until my next meal finally rolls around, if I'm hungry....I'm gonna eat something.
Especially when cutting, I figure, there is a certain "pace" so to speak that you can safely lose fat without sacrificing muscle. And this pace isn't going to increase or decrease no matter how much of a calorie deficit you put yourself in, the pace at which you can safely lose fat remains the same. So why put up with being starving all the time when you don't need to...?
01-15-2011, 11:06 PM
01-15-2011, 11:20 PM
01-17-2011, 01:42 PM
01-17-2011, 02:14 PM
Oh I know. I mean I can still cut on 3k plus just keeping carbs low, but I don't think I could pull off 4k without packing on some size, and perhaps not all of it would be good size, lol.
01-17-2011, 02:28 PM
01-17-2011, 02:45 PM
I do not follow strict BB diets anymore. The whole eating clean thing drives me crazy cause i see how stupid it is. BBs want to gain muscle and get six packs so badly, that they feel if they sacrafice stuff like flavor they gotta be making more progress. Read through my latest log about monsterdrol xt. Alot of vets on here were bashing me and my diet, but you can see how I eat and yet am leaner than most year round. I get most of my carbs from huge bowls of cereal, bagels, fruits, bread, sometimes oats, rice and potatoes.
Protein shakes make up prob 150 grams of my protein, as I only like 2 solid food meals a day.
I'm not afraid to eat out and get some high fat meals in, i just add a shake before it to make macros look better, and next meal eat low fat to stay right on track to hit my macro numbers. Like i said all of this is with 2 huge solid good meals and several shakes with bagles and fruits or cereal. My post workout meal i usually save about 200-250 carbs for so i do 3-4 big pancakes with syrup and some butter and a huge shake. Give me about 80-100 g of protein and 225 carbs. I also do 3-4 servings cereal pwo sometimes.
For scientific articles on nutrition and not broscience you will get here visit Martin berkhams site leangains, Lyle mcdonalds site bodyrecomposition, jcds site jcdfitness
and you will learn all you ever need to know in terms of training diet and how to actually incorperate your lifestyle in it.
01-17-2011, 03:11 PM
I think it all depends on the persons body type. I can get peeled and looked incredible.. but I have to weigh every last drop of food. If I eat clean and do not weigh anything out I do get a little chunky, but still look moderately athletic. If I eat anything I want day in, day out I get fat as hell and dont even look moderately close to a bodybuilder. All of this while maintaining extremely hard training and cardio.
01-17-2011, 03:20 PM
01-18-2011, 09:50 AM
Great replies everyone...which is what i have come to expect from this forum...has a lot of very good members on here...
ZamaMan...you make excellent points...i know what you mean about people wanting to gain muscle...sacrifice a lot of things...i used to be in that bracket...i have not been out...not gone to places...not had cheat meals...etc. simply in a quest for bodybuilding...which is so daft...looking back on it.
01-18-2011, 10:10 AM
Well, I realize I'm not exactly the perfect reference as far as diet goes, but I too stopped counting calories. That doesn't mean I'm not conscious of what I'm eating. I can usually tell what macros are going down my throat, and I just make a mental note to adjust my diet throughout the rest of the day. But, I don't have any foods on a "no-go" list. I'm like Honda V65 when he says, "If I get a craving for something processed or sweet - I trust my body is telling me there is something in that cake it needs - so I eat it with a big smile on my face" ! Life is too short not to enjoy yourself, and life is also all about compromises. So, I just made a mental note about what I really wanted, and realized I LOVE food (and I will NEVER step foot on a stage), so I compromised. Seems to be working well for me though. For the most part, food is food, regardless of how it got to your plate. Obviously, there's the GI index for carbs (which I am interested in using), as well as other theories (preservatives/processed/natural/types of fats/etc.) which I'm not! They're mostly theories, like the whole trans-fats thing (for example). At first, they were HAILED as the HEALTHY alternative to saturated fats! Now, not so much! You'll drive yourself crazy if you concern yourself with these things, so I don't!
01-18-2011, 10:32 AM
01-18-2011, 12:11 PM
To the OP. I do not follow any type of structured diet either. I make sure I cover all my basis, and can follow a dynamic diet pattern. If I feel like I need more protein I will add it, more carbs I will add it, too many carbs I'll cut down, etc. I make sure my house is stocked with plenty of food. I have even eliminated all powders from my diet. The one thing I will say is that breakfast is my favorite meal of the day and I hardly ever skimp on a good breakfast. I can't follow a structured diet pattern because when I'm at work there is now way I can continue it.
Bodybuilding cannot consume you. Personally I have had a love/hate relationship with it in the last year. I am still about 20 lbs lighter then I want to be and have recently started picking up the pace again. I am putting myself in a position to try to make a comeback in Boxing. I am not sure if I want to compete again or just train, spar, and work with younger kids in hopes of getting them set on the right path. Boxing did this for me when I was younger. I would still continue to lift but it will not consume my life, leaving me time for other things. It's the other things that will keep your mind healthy, and mental health is just as important as physical health.
My biggest suggestion to you is to become a pro at time management. If you can effectively manage your time, which is much easier said then done, you will have time to fit working out into your other hobbies. This will be tricky at first but once you master it you can combine all of what makes you happy.
01-18-2011, 03:07 PM
01-18-2011, 03:36 PM
I try to eat clean 90% of the time, but if I really want something, I just eat it and make up for it later like Rosie said.
01-18-2011, 03:59 PM
01-18-2011, 04:09 PM
My training sessions are generally bordering on 2 plus hours, so maybe I could squeeze in a few more PWO grams and be able to put it to good use.
01-18-2011, 04:17 PM
How can your body be telling you that you need more protein? As long as you get in your required amount, your body should be fine.
In your postworkout MEAL you SHOULD have protein, period. Having more protein is not overkill, but more is not always better.
You don't need to train for that long, unless you're an athlete or are training for something specific that requires extensive training. I actually feel better having recently cut my training times in half, from 2-4 hours to 1-1.5 hours - my progress is not any less than what it was, and if anything, results better, and far more convenient. Train SMART.
01-18-2011, 04:40 PM
Well, more specifically it's telling me I need more calories...period, for my activity level. And I enjoy what I do both in and out of the gym too much to cut down my activity level. So along with being on a cut ATM, I just figure the safest way to get in some extra calories is obviously protein or fat.
I have to second the workout time though. It might not sound like it, but I actually cut down on my training as wel. Maybe not on the duration of my workouts, but in the form of taking off an entire extra day of the week from weight training. And I too have only seen positive effects from this, not negative.
01-18-2011, 04:44 PM
I feel like the diet thing is directly related to the results you want. i dont see a point in having bodyfat, it slows down my BJJ and doesnt look good lol this is why my diet is 99% dialed in, except for an occasional chinese food once a month or something like that. ive noticed throughout the years that the stricter I ate the better I looked and performed, so thats my motivation right there. if you are okay with having a two pack and having average energy levels, why not mix it up and eat some pizza/bagels etc. you just might not ever find out how freakishly you could have looked if you ate 100% clean.
01-18-2011, 04:52 PM
I feel u brotha. I love the "chase for perfection" of it. And the fact that you will never attain it, it keeps you reaching and reaching every single day towards something. Because let's face it, if you ever finally attained it, there'd be no pont in going to the gym anymore.
And I get pretty anal about things in my chase for it. Like if 42g of protein on a certain meal is workikng for me. I'll try and get the measurements exactly right and do literally 40g or 45g on that meal for a week straight and see whether those 2-3g either way are able to give me a millimeter or centimeter or any extra progress towards whatever my goal (cutting, or bulking) at the time may be.
Some people say it's no way to live life, and that's definitely true for a lot of people. But personally I wouldn't have it any other way, I absolutely love how cerebral dieting can be when you really focus on the minute details of everything. It's enjoyable to me, I love it.
01-18-2011, 07:14 PM
01-19-2011, 01:19 AM
Science has proven the use of carbs pwo. Your pwo meal should never not include carbs and loads of calories. Leangains has proven time and time again scientifically and anecdotal evidance as well that your pwo meal should be as huge as you can plan for in your daily caloric requirement. I would never hesitate to reccomend even 50% of someones macros in that single meal due to how amazing your bodys nutrient partioning is for those several hours after. I personally try n cram down 1200-1500 cals pwo. The evidance is there if you care to read Martin berkhams work.
IMO it's much easier to maintain and plan for proper macros when having less meals, so just plan 3 huge solid meals in and stick to those macros and youwill be well on your way to making it an easy lifestyle that you can maintain.
01-19-2011, 03:24 AM
You bros and girls on here are fantastic....you have made this into a really good thread...excellent advice and debate within the thread...and very helpful to see different insights....and dare i say....nice to see people who are not completely anal about their food.
01-19-2011, 05:45 AM
01-19-2011, 06:54 AM
01-19-2011, 06:56 AM
01-19-2011, 07:05 AM
01-19-2011, 08:33 AM
01-19-2011, 10:14 AM
01-19-2011, 10:34 AM
Remember, even though your body IS in that PWO window where carbs are going to be shuttled towards your muscles instead of stored as bodyfat, once you have taken enough to successfully replenish your muscles, the rest still DOES have a tendency to be stored as bodyfat. The anabolic window isn't like a license to go all out by any means. Like I said, this is just my opinion and what works for me though.
01-19-2011, 10:36 AM
thank you, it wont let me rep you again. these guys always wonder why they gotta bulk and cut, bulk and cut, where is that fat coming from?? all the big dudes at the gym slam thousands of grams of carbs!!
BJJ = life
01-19-2011, 11:49 AM
01-19-2011, 11:58 AM
lol, I'm not gonna pretend I know any more about her than you do, but with a rep power of 39, I'm not sure I would come at one of the most respected members on this board in quite that fashion brotha...
01-19-2011, 12:16 PM
The whole you can only process so much carbs in one meal and the rest goes to fat is broscience. When I diet for fat loss I skip breakfast, eat a big lunch usually tuna sandwitches and a big bowl of cereal, pre workout shake, and have a big dinner. So since all my carbs come in two meals I must affect my fat loss... Oh wait it doesn't.
Besides carbs don't just restore glycogen, they have lots of process one major one pwo is to help stop muscle tissue breakdown. I have seen countless ridiculous transformations from Martin on leansgains website where people do amazing recomps in timeframes where we would all almost wanna doubt is possible, and his guys eat 50% total calories in there pwo meal. Why aren't they getting fat then?
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