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    Looks great but $69? That's a little pricey for me. I'm gonna want to stack it with Alpha t2 and possible Erase so that would be way to much money for me to spend on supplements.
    I love PES products but that's just out of my price range. I could but Chicken for weeks with that price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce View Post
    The reviews on NP are really annoying. A 3.0/5.0 with 4 votes for a product that hasn't been released yet and just had the ingredients put up on the site. I get just as annoyed by new products with magical 5.0 stars everywhere.

    Ok, enough grouching, bring on the Alphamine Fruit Punch I ordered
    You are so right. If I haven't already decided to try a product before it comes out, I look at logs or thorough reviews from users I trust. I also lend a lot of credence to what reps have to say since they usually get to try the products first and most are not going to steer you into something they know you are not going to be happy with. I'll skip the random store reviews from nameless, faceless people that I don't know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrpersinality View Post
    Looks great but $69? That's a little pricey for me. I'm gonna want to stack it with Alpha t2 and possible Erase so that would be way to much money for me to spend on supplements.
    I love PES products but that's just out of my price range. I could but Chicken for weeks with that price.
    They aren't selling it for $69. I will likely be available for around half of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrpersinality View Post
    Looks great but $69? That's a little pricey for me. I'm gonna want to stack it with Alpha t2 and possible Erase so that would be way to much money for me to spend on supplements.
    I love PES products but that's just out of my price range. I could but Chicken for weeks with that price.
    Like Dewey said, it won't retail for that. I would guess it will be in the 30-38 dollar range if I had to lay a wager, but that's just an educated guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce

    Like Dewey said, it won't retail for that. I would guess it will be in the 30-38 dollar range if I had to lay a wager, but that's just an educated guess.
    That's great news because I'm deff interested in this product looks solid like everything else they carry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrpersinality

    That's great news because I'm deff interested in this product looks solid like everything else they carry.
    Nutra has the Presale up now. Under $30, grab it while its that cheap!
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    In Celebration of The "PES FOR LIFE" SALEathon, NutraPlanet Proudly Introduces The NEW Alphamine, AT AN INSANELY LOW INTRODUCTORY SALE PRICE!

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    Also, as another part of the "PES FOR LIFE" SALEathon CELEBRATION Series, we are basically GIVING AWAY ERASE PRO!!! .....FOR 1 WEEK ONLY, Get Erase Pro (30 Caps) for the LOWEST PRICE EVER, ANYWHERE!!! (Offer Expires 8/21)

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    You guys be having the best deal. Good sh!t
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    You guys be having the best deal. Good sh!t
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    this is a killer intro price, you might not see these prices for a long time or ever again!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce View Post
    The reviews on NP are really annoying. A 3.0/5.0 with 4 votes for a product that hasn't been released yet and just had the ingredients put up on the site. I get just as annoyed by new products with magical 5.0 stars everywhere.

    Ok, enough grouching, bring on the Alphamine Fruit Punch I ordered
    This makes me sad. I say we trace their IPs and see who is putting our products down!
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    I would think Nutra would have an interest in just that.
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    Nice Price!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdcc View Post
    This makes me sad. I say we trace their IPs and see who is putting our products down!
    What if it's one of your own though? A mole!

    It happens a lot. You'll see unreleased products with 12 reviews and all 5 starred or something like this where clearly somebody is putting one star reviews for whatever reasons. Competition and all that, but really a somewhat broken review system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdcc View Post
    This makes me sad. I say we trace their IPs and see who is putting our products down!
    Oh, you know it's just some jealous "haters".... :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce View Post
    The reviews on NP are really annoying. A 3.0/5.0 with 4 votes for a product that hasn't been released yet and just had the ingredients put up on the site. I get just as annoyed by new products with magical 5.0 stars everywhere.

    Ok, enough grouching, bring on the Alphamine Fruit Punch I ordered
    I take it as a compliment. Formula so good people go out of their way to fake-rate it bad
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    Quote Originally Posted by nattydisaster

    I take it as a compliment. Formula so good people go out of their way to fake-rate it bad
    Let alone that, Your ideas are living inside someone's head without paying rent haha. That's how much importance they give yah, hence it just means the formula is so good even the competition can't help but to try to smack you all they do is give yah free publicity.
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    This is over hyped.. Where are the experiments proving this supplement does what it claims?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ralfman5
    This is over hyped.. Where are the experiments proving this supplement does what it claims?
    PES makes quality Supps and for only $30 I think I can run my own "experiment".
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    Lol PES is known for NOT overhyping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NutraPlanet CS
    In Celebration of The "PES FOR LIFE" SALEathon, NutraPlanet Proudly Introduces The NEW Alphamine, AT AN INSANELY LOW INTRODUCTORY SALE PRICE!

    **THIS OFFER EXPIRES SOON, SO DON'T DELAY!**

    <img src="http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=64 106"/>

    PES' NEW Alphamine: Innovative & Powerful Thermogenic Powder!
    After two years of undeniable feedback from Alpha-T2, we sat down to begin our research onto an even greater, more innovative, more powerful fat burner... We realized all the fat burners on the market hold MAJOR flaws...we set out to create a solution. In search for our goal, we stumbled across the most effective and innovative formulation that has EVER been introduced......And with that said, PES' NEW Alphamine was born! ALPHAMINE is a revolutionary fat loss product with no other comparison! Here are just a few reasons why....READ ON


    VERY LIMITED TIME INTRODUCTORY PRE-SALE PRICE: ETA- 8/24

    <img src="http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=64 108"/>

    Reg Price: $69.99
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    Quote Originally Posted by ralfman5 View Post
    This is over hyped.. Where are the experiments proving this supplement does what it claims?
    I appreciate your skepticism. With all due respect you have this the wrong way round. The research is what we base the ingredients on. We pick ones that have science behind them rather than creating a product and then conducting studies on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ralfman5 View Post
    This is over hyped.. Where are the experiments proving this supplement does what it claims?
    This might not be "experiments" for the overall product, but definitely legit references for each ingredient.....I think when people do the math, even before trying it, it makes sense......I can assure you of this....PES would NOT come out with a crappy product....EVER. I know them too well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NutraPlanet CS

    This might not be "experiments" for the overall product, but definitely legit references for each ingredient.....I think when people do the math, even before trying it, it makes sense......I can assure you of this....PES would NOT come out with a crappy product....EVER. I know them too well.

    Alphamine References:

    Berlan M, Galitzky J, Riviere D, et al. Plasma catecholamine levels and lipid mobilization induced by yohimbine in obese and non-obese women. Int J Obes. 1991 May;15(5):305-315
    Galitzky J, Taouis M, Berlan M, et al. Alpha 2-antagonist compounds and lipid mobilization: evidence for a lipid mobilizing effect of oral yohimbine in healthy male volunteers. Eur J Clin Invest. 1988 Dec;18(6):587-594
    Flechtner-Mors M, Jenkinson CP, Alt A, et al. In vivo alpha(1)-adrenergic lipolytic activity in subcutaneous adipose tissue of obese subjects. J Pharmacol Exp Ther. 2002 Apr;301(1):229-233
    Sax L. Yohimbine does not affect fat distribution in men. Int J Obes. 1991 Sep;15(9):561-565
    Kucio C, Jonderko K, Piskorska D. Does yohimbine act as a slimming drug? Isr J Med Sci. 1991 Oct;27(10):550-556
    Berlin I, Stalla-Bourdillon A, Thuillier Y, et al. Lack of efficacy of yohimbine in the treatment of obesity. J Pharmacol. 1986 Jul-Sep;17(3):343-347
    Zahorska-Markiewicz B, Kucio C, et al. Adrenergic control of lipolysis and metabolic responses in obesity. Horm Metab Res. 1986 Oct;18(10):693-697
    Perry BD, U'Prichard DC. [3H]rauwolscine (alpha-yohimbine): a specific antagonist radioligand for brain alpha 2-adrenergic receptors. Eur J Pharmacol. 1981 Dec 17;76(4):461-464
    Berlan M, Le Verge R, Galitzky J, et al. Alpha 2-adrenoceptor antagonist potencies of two hydroxylated metabolites of yohimbine. Br J Pharmacol. 1993 Apr;108(4):927-932
    Chang KC, Lim JK and Park CW (1986) Synthesis of higenamine and its cardiovascular effects in rabbit: Evidence for b-adrenoceptor agonist. Kor J Pharmacol 22:96 -104
    A study on the mechanism of the yang-tonic effect of higenamine. Xiang Rong. Yi Ningyu. Xia Zongqin. PHARMACOLOGY AND CLINICS OF CHINESE MATERIA MEDICA. 1994-06
    The Chinese Journal of Clinical Pharmacology, 2007-04. Tolerability of higenamine hydrochloride in healthy volunteers. Yan-rong, Fang, Ri-yi,Yan, OUYANG, Meng, Hong-li.
    Eur J Nucl Med. 1983;8(6):233-6. Measurement of effects of the Chinese herbal medicine higenamine on left ventricular function using a cardiac probe. Liu XJ, Wagner HN Jr, Tao S. Planta Med 2009; 75(13): 1393-1399. ?2-Adrenoceptor-Mediated Tracheal Relaxation Induced by Higenamine from Nandina domestica Thunberg Muneo Tsukiyama, Takuro Ueki, Yoichi Yasuda, Hiroko Kikuchi, Tatsuhiro Akaishi, Hidenobu Okumura, Kazuho Abe.
    CHINESE PHARMACOLOGICAL BULLETIN 1995-02. The pharmacologic action of higenamine on beta-adrenergic receptors in heart of mice. XIANG Rong; XU Jiang-Tao; YI Nin-Yu; XIA Zhong-Qin
    Acta Pharmacol Sin 2008 Oct; 29 (10): 1187-1194. Identification of higenamine in Radix Aconiti Lateralis Preparata as a beta2-adrenergic receptor agonist. Gang BAI, Yang YANG, Qian SHI, Ze LIU, Qi ZHANG, Yuan-yuan ZHU
    Acta Pharmaceutica Sinica. 1982-09. EFFECTS OF dl-DEMETHYL COCLAURINE ON ?-ADRENERGIC RECEPTORS AND ADENYLATE CYCLASE IN TURKEY ERYTHROCYTE MEMBRANE. FENG Yi-pu, JIA Hong-jun, ZHANG Li-ying and ZENG Gui-yun
    An Experimental Study on Adrenergic Effect of Higenamine in Rabbit Cardiovascular System. Nam Su Kim,Chang Yee Hong,Chan Woong Pak,Jung Kyoo Lim. Korean Circ J 1986;16:1-18
    Diepvens K, Westerterp KR, Westerterp-Plantenga MS. Obesity and thermogenesis related to the consumption of caffeine, ephedrine, capsaicin, and green tea. Am J Physiol Regul Integr Comp Physiol. 2007 Jan;292(1):R77-85
    Bracco D, Ferrarra JM, Arnaud MJ, et al. Effects of caffeine on energy metabolism, heart rate, and methylxanthine metabolism in lean and obese women. Am J Physiol. 1995 Oct;269(4 Pt 1):E671-E678
    Dullo AG, Geissler CA, Horton T, et al. Normal caffeine consumption: influence on thermogenesis and daily energy expenditure in lean and postobese human volunteers. Am J Clin Nutr. 1989 Jan;49(1):44-50
    Acheson KJ, Gremaud G, Meirim I, et al. Metabolic effects of caffeine in humans: lipid oxidation or futile cycling? Am J Clin Nutr. 2004 Jan;79(1):40-46
    Kaplan GB, Greenblatt DJ, Ehrenberg BL, et al. Dose-dependent pharmacokinetics and psychomotor effects of caffeine in humans. J Clin Pharmacol. 1997 Aug;37(8):693-703
    Smith A. Effects of caffeine on human behavior. Food Chem Toxicol. 2002 Sep;40(9):1243-1255
    Robertson D, Frolich JC, Carr RK, et al. Effects of caffeine on plasma renin activity, catecholamines and blood pressure. N Engl J Med. 1978 Jan 26;298(4):181-186
    Oleuropein, a Phenolic Compound in Extra Virgin Olive Oil, Increases Uncoupling Protein 1 Content in Brown Adipose Tissue and Enhances Noradrenaline and Adrenaline Secretions in Rats. Yuriko Oi-KANO, Teruo KAWADA, Tatsuo WATANABE, Fumihiro KOYAMA, Kenichi WATANABE, Reijirou SENBONGI, Kazuo IWAI. Journal of Nutritional Science and Vitaminology Vol. 54 (2008) No. 5 P 363-370
    Olive leaf extract attenuates cardiac, hepatic, and metabolic changes in high carbohydrate-, high fat-fed rats. Poudyal H, Campbell F, Brown L. J Nutr. 2010 May;140(5):946-53. Epub 2010 Mar 24.
    Effect of freeze dried extract of Olea europaea on the pituitary-thyroid axis in rats. Al-Qarawi AA, Al-Damegh MA, ElMougy SA. Phytother Res. 2002 May;16(3):286-7.
    Effects of Eucommia leaf extracts on autonomic nerves, body temperature, lipolysis, food intake, and body weight. Horii Y, Tanida M, Shen J, Hirata T, Kawamura N, Wada A, Nagai K. Neurosci Lett. 2010 Aug 2;479(3):181-6. Epub 2010 May 16.
    Chlorogenic Acid and Synthetic Chlorogenic Acid Derivatives: Novel Inhibitors of Hepatic Glucose-6-phosphate Translocase. Horst Hemmerle, Hans-Joerg Burger, Peter Below, Gerrit Schubert, Robert Rippel, Peter W. Schindler, Erich Paulus, and Andreas W. Herling. J. Med. Chem., 1997, 40 (2), pp 137-145
    Role of Glucose-6 Phosphatase, Glucokinase, and Glucose-6 Phosphate in Liver Insulin Resistance and Its Correction by Metformin. Carol Minassian, Sandrine Tarpin,Gilles Mithieux. Biochemical Pharmacology Volume 55, Issue 8, 15 April 1998, Pages 1213-1219.
    The Effect of Chlorogenic Acid Enriched Coffee on Glucose Absorption in Healthy Volunteers and Its Effect on Body Mass When Used Long-term in Overweight and Obese People. Thom, E. The Journal of International Medical Research, Volume 35, Number 6, November 2007 , pp. 900-908(9).
    Chlorogenic Acid and Caffeic Acid Are Absorbed in Humans. Margreet R. Olthof, Peter C. H. Hollman, and Martijn B. Katan. J. Nutr. January 1, 2001 vol. 131 no. 1 66-71
    Park JB. N-coumaroyldopamine and N-caffeoyldopamine increase cAMP via beta 2-adrenoceptors in myelocytic U937 cells. FASEB J. 2005 Apr;19(6):497-502
    Kline WO, Panaro FJ, Yang H, et al. Rapamycin inhibits the growth and muscle-sparing effects of clenbuterol. J Apply Physiol. 2007 Feb;102(2):740-747
    Goncalves DA, Lira EC, Baviera AM, et al. Mechanisms involved in 3,5-cyclic adenosine monophosphate-mediated inhibition of ubiquitin-proteasome system in skeletal muscle. Endocrinology. 2009 Dec;150(12):5395-53404
    Kunkel SD, Suneja M, Ebert SM, et al. mRNA expression signatures of human skeletal muscle atrophy identify a natural compound that increases muscle mass. Cell Metab. 2011 Jun 8;13(6):627-638
    Lee NK & MacLean HE. Polyamines, androgens, and skeletal muscle hypertrophy. J Cell Physiol. 2011 Jun;226(6):1453-1460
    Anthony J. C., Anthony T. G., Kimball S. R., Vary T. C., Jefferson L. S. Orally administered leucine stimulates protein synthesis in skeletal muscle of postabsorptive rats in association with increased eIF4F formation. J. Nutr. 2000;130:139-145
    Tischler M. E., Desautels M., Goldberg A. L. Does leucine, leucyl-tRNA, or some metabolite of leucine regulate protein synthesis and degradation in skeletal and cardiac muscle?. J. Biol. Chem. 1982;257:1613-1621
    Kimball S. R., Shantz L. M., Horetsky R. L., Jefferson L. S. Leucine regulates translation of specific mRNAs in L6 myoblasts through mTOR-mediated changes in availability fo eIF4E and phosphorylation of ribosomal protein S6. J. Biol. Chem. 1999;274:11647-1
    Buse M. G., Weigand D. A. Studies concerning the specificity of the effect of leucine on the turnover of proteins in muscles of control and diabetic rats. Biochim. Biophys. Acta 1977;475:81-89
    The effect of choline supplementation on the level of plasma free fatty acids and beta-hydroxybutyrate during a session of prolonged exercise. Qolizadeh, M. R.; Ebrahim, K.; Rahbar, B.; Karami, E.; Rostamkhany, H.; Musavi, S. H. Annals of Biological Research 2011 Vol. 2 No. 6 pp. 253-260
    Yea but does it have a flashy label with cool designs on it?

    But seriously PES doesn't need to hype its products the people who try it do all that for them. Rock solid products by these guys
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrpersinality View Post
    Yea but does it have a flashy label with cool designs on it?

    But seriously PES doesn't need to hype its products the people who try it do all that for them. Rock solid products by these guys
    You're exactly right....PES' products are some of the best to ever be introduced to this market....and there has been quite a few products out in this market through the ages I'd say.
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    ^^^And my statement above IS actually unbiased too. I say this from years of experience in the industry.^^^
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    Quote Originally Posted by NutraPlanet CS
    ^^^And my statement above IS actually unbiased too. I say this from years of experience in the industry.^^^
    I have the same sentiment and that from years of using supps! I'd put PES against any supp company head to head, period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dewey99 View Post
    PES makes quality Supps and for only $30 I think I can run my own "experiment".
    Quote Originally Posted by Celorza View Post
    Lol PES is known for NOT overhyping.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mrpersinality View Post
    Yea but does it have a flashy label with cool designs on it?

    But seriously PES doesn't need to hype its products the people who try it do all that for them. Rock solid products by these guys
    Quote Originally Posted by NutraPlanet CS View Post
    You're exactly right....PES' products are some of the best to ever be introduced to this market....and there has been quite a few products out in this market through the ages I'd say.
    Quote Originally Posted by BoneDaddy View Post
    I have the same sentiment and that from years of using supps! I'd put PES against any supp company head to head, period.
    Thank you all for the support and putting your faith in us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ralfman5 View Post
    This is over hyped.. Where are the experiments proving this supplement does what it claims?
    Quote Originally Posted by NutraPlanet CS View Post
    This might not be "experiments" for the overall product, but definitely legit references for each ingredient.....I think when people do the math, even before trying it, it makes sense......I can assure you of this....PES would NOT come out with a crappy product....EVER. I know them too well.

    Alphamine References:

    Berlan M, Galitzky J, Riviere D, et al. Plasma catecholamine levels and lipid mobilization induced by yohimbine in obese and non-obese women. Int J Obes. 1991 May;15(5):305-315
    Galitzky J, Taouis M, Berlan M, et al. Alpha 2-antagonist compounds and lipid mobilization: evidence for a lipid mobilizing effect of oral yohimbine in healthy male volunteers. Eur J Clin Invest. 1988 Dec;18(6):587-594
    Flechtner-Mors M, Jenkinson CP, Alt A, et al. In vivo alpha(1)-adrenergic lipolytic activity in subcutaneous adipose tissue of obese subjects. J Pharmacol Exp Ther. 2002 Apr;301(1):229-233
    Sax L. Yohimbine does not affect fat distribution in men. Int J Obes. 1991 Sep;15(9):561-565
    Kucio C, Jonderko K, Piskorska D. Does yohimbine act as a slimming drug? Isr J Med Sci. 1991 Oct;27(10):550-556
    Berlin I, Stalla-Bourdillon A, Thuillier Y, et al. Lack of efficacy of yohimbine in the treatment of obesity. J Pharmacol. 1986 Jul-Sep;17(3):343-347
    Zahorska-Markiewicz B, Kucio C, et al. Adrenergic control of lipolysis and metabolic responses in obesity. Horm Metab Res. 1986 Oct;18(10):693-697
    Perry BD, U’Prichard DC. [3H]rauwolscine (alpha-yohimbine): a specific antagonist radioligand for brain alpha 2-adrenergic receptors. Eur J Pharmacol. 1981 Dec 17;76(4):461-464
    Berlan M, Le Verge R, Galitzky J, et al. Alpha 2-adrenoceptor antagonist potencies of two hydroxylated metabolites of yohimbine. Br J Pharmacol. 1993 Apr;108(4):927-932
    Chang KC, Lim JK and Park CW (1986) Synthesis of higenamine and its cardiovascular effects in rabbit: Evidence for b-adrenoceptor agonist. Kor J Pharmacol 22:96 –104
    A study on the mechanism of the yang-tonic effect of higenamine. Xiang Rong. Yi Ningyu. Xia Zongqin. PHARMACOLOGY AND CLINICS OF CHINESE MATERIA MEDICA. 1994-06
    The Chinese Journal of Clinical Pharmacology, 2007-04. Tolerability of higenamine hydrochloride in healthy volunteers. Yan-rong, Fang, Ri-yi,Yan, OUYANG, Meng, Hong-li.
    Eur J Nucl Med. 1983;8(6):233-6. Measurement of effects of the Chinese herbal medicine higenamine on left ventricular function using a cardiac probe. Liu XJ, Wagner HN Jr, Tao S. Planta Med 2009; 75(13): 1393-1399. β2-Adrenoceptor-Mediated Tracheal Relaxation Induced by Higenamine from Nandina domestica Thunberg Muneo Tsukiyama, Takuro Ueki, Yoichi Yasuda, Hiroko Kikuchi, Tatsuhiro Akaishi, Hidenobu Okumura, Kazuho Abe.
    CHINESE PHARMACOLOGICAL BULLETIN 1995-02. The pharmacologic action of higenamine on beta-adrenergic receptors in heart of mice. XIANG Rong; XU Jiang-Tao; YI Nin-Yu; XIA Zhong-Qin
    Acta Pharmacol Sin 2008 Oct; 29 (10): 1187–1194. Identification of higenamine in Radix Aconiti Lateralis Preparata as a beta2-adrenergic receptor agonist. Gang BAI, Yang YANG, Qian SHI, Ze LIU, Qi ZHANG, Yuan-yuan ZHU
    Acta Pharmaceutica Sinica. 1982-09. EFFECTS OF dl-DEMETHYL COCLAURINE ON β-ADRENERGIC RECEPTORS AND ADENYLATE CYCLASE IN TURKEY ERYTHROCYTE MEMBRANE. FENG Yi-pu, JIA Hong-jun, ZHANG Li-ying and ZENG Gui-yun
    An Experimental Study on Adrenergic Effect of Higenamine in Rabbit Cardiovascular System. Nam Su Kim,Chang Yee Hong,Chan Woong Pak,Jung Kyoo Lim. Korean Circ J 1986;16:1-18
    Diepvens K, Westerterp KR, Westerterp-Plantenga MS. Obesity and thermogenesis related to the consumption of caffeine, ephedrine, capsaicin, and green tea. Am J Physiol Regul Integr Comp Physiol. 2007 Jan;292(1):R77-85
    Bracco D, Ferrarra JM, Arnaud MJ, et al. Effects of caffeine on energy metabolism, heart rate, and methylxanthine metabolism in lean and obese women. Am J Physiol. 1995 Oct;269(4 Pt 1):E671-E678
    Dullo AG, Geissler CA, Horton T, et al. Normal caffeine consumption: influence on thermogenesis and daily energy expenditure in lean and postobese human volunteers. Am J Clin Nutr. 1989 Jan;49(1):44-50
    Acheson KJ, Gremaud G, Meirim I, et al. Metabolic effects of caffeine in humans: lipid oxidation or futile cycling? Am J Clin Nutr. 2004 Jan;79(1):40-46
    Kaplan GB, Greenblatt DJ, Ehrenberg BL, et al. Dose-dependent pharmacokinetics and psychomotor effects of caffeine in humans. J Clin Pharmacol. 1997 Aug;37(8):693-703
    Smith A. Effects of caffeine on human behavior. Food Chem Toxicol. 2002 Sep;40(9):1243-1255
    Robertson D, Frolich JC, Carr RK, et al. Effects of caffeine on plasma renin activity, catecholamines and blood pressure. N Engl J Med. 1978 Jan 26;298(4):181-186
    Oleuropein, a Phenolic Compound in Extra Virgin Olive Oil, Increases Uncoupling Protein 1 Content in Brown Adipose Tissue and Enhances Noradrenaline and Adrenaline Secretions in Rats. Yuriko Oi-KANO, Teruo KAWADA, Tatsuo WATANABE, Fumihiro KOYAMA, Kenichi WATANABE, Reijirou SENBONGI, Kazuo IWAI. Journal of Nutritional Science and Vitaminology Vol. 54 (2008) No. 5 P 363-370
    Olive leaf extract attenuates cardiac, hepatic, and metabolic changes in high carbohydrate-, high fat-fed rats. Poudyal H, Campbell F, Brown L. J Nutr. 2010 May;140(5):946-53. Epub 2010 Mar 24.
    Effect of freeze dried extract of Olea europaea on the pituitary-thyroid axis in rats. Al-Qarawi AA, Al-Damegh MA, ElMougy SA. Phytother Res. 2002 May;16(3):286-7.
    Effects of Eucommia leaf extracts on autonomic nerves, body temperature, lipolysis, food intake, and body weight. Horii Y, Tanida M, Shen J, Hirata T, Kawamura N, Wada A, Nagai K. Neurosci Lett. 2010 Aug 2;479(3):181-6. Epub 2010 May 16.
    Chlorogenic Acid and Synthetic Chlorogenic Acid Derivatives:  Novel Inhibitors of Hepatic Glucose-6-phosphate Translocase. Horst Hemmerle, Hans-Joerg Burger, Peter Below, Gerrit Schubert, Robert Rippel, Peter W. Schindler, Erich Paulus, and Andreas W. Herling. J. Med. Chem., 1997, 40 (2), pp 137–145
    Role of Glucose-6 Phosphatase, Glucokinase, and Glucose-6 Phosphate in Liver Insulin Resistance and Its Correction by Metformin. Carol Minassian, Sandrine Tarpin,Gilles Mithieux. Biochemical Pharmacology Volume 55, Issue 8, 15 April 1998, Pages 1213–1219.
    The Effect of Chlorogenic Acid Enriched Coffee on Glucose Absorption in Healthy Volunteers and Its Effect on Body Mass When Used Long-term in Overweight and Obese People. Thom, E. The Journal of International Medical Research, Volume 35, Number 6, November 2007 , pp. 900-908(9).
    Chlorogenic Acid and Caffeic Acid Are Absorbed in Humans. Margreet R. Olthof, Peter C. H. Hollman, and Martijn B. Katan. J. Nutr. January 1, 2001 vol. 131 no. 1 66-71
    Park JB. N-coumaroyldopamine and N-caffeoyldopamine increase cAMP via beta 2-adrenoceptors in myelocytic U937 cells. FASEB J. 2005 Apr;19(6):497-502
    Kline WO, Panaro FJ, Yang H, et al. Rapamycin inhibits the growth and muscle-sparing effects of clenbuterol. J Apply Physiol. 2007 Feb;102(2):740-747
    Goncalves DA, Lira EC, Baviera AM, et al. Mechanisms involved in 3,5-cyclic adenosine monophosphate-mediated inhibition of ubiquitin-proteasome system in skeletal muscle. Endocrinology. 2009 Dec;150(12):5395-53404
    Kunkel SD, Suneja M, Ebert SM, et al. mRNA expression signatures of human skeletal muscle atrophy identify a natural compound that increases muscle mass. Cell Metab. 2011 Jun 8;13(6):627-638
    Lee NK & MacLean HE. Polyamines, androgens, and skeletal muscle hypertrophy. J Cell Physiol. 2011 Jun;226(6):1453-1460
    Anthony J. C., Anthony T. G., Kimball S. R., Vary T. C., Jefferson L. S. Orally administered leucine stimulates protein synthesis in skeletal muscle of postabsorptive rats in association with increased eIF4F formation. J. Nutr. 2000;130:139-145
    Tischler M. E., Desautels M., Goldberg A. L. Does leucine, leucyl-tRNA, or some metabolite of leucine regulate protein synthesis and degradation in skeletal and cardiac muscle?. J. Biol. Chem. 1982;257:1613-1621
    Kimball S. R., Shantz L. M., Horetsky R. L., Jefferson L. S. Leucine regulates translation of specific mRNAs in L6 myoblasts through mTOR-mediated changes in availability fo eIF4E and phosphorylation of ribosomal protein S6. J. Biol. Chem. 1999;274:11647-1
    Buse M. G., Weigand D. A. Studies concerning the specificity of the effect of leucine on the turnover of proteins in muscles of control and diabetic rats. Biochim. Biophys. Acta 1977;475:81-89
    The effect of choline supplementation on the level of plasma free fatty acids and beta-hydroxybutyrate during a session of prolonged exercise. Qolizadeh, M. R.; Ebrahim, K.; Rahbar, B.; Karami, E.; Rostamkhany, H.; Musavi, S. H. Annals of Biological Research 2011 Vol. 2 No. 6 pp. 253-260
    You should read ALL of them on your lunch break
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    Quote Originally Posted by nattydisaster View Post
    You should read ALL of them on your lunch break
    Don't try this at home.....dangerous....it could end up leading to a brain hemorrhage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ralfman5 View Post
    This is over hyped.. Where are the experiments proving this supplement does what it claims?
    Where are the experiments proving this is over hyped?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ralfman5
    This is over hyped.. Where are the experiments proving this supplement does what it claims?
    Is this one of the haters?:'(
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    Quote Originally Posted by 808shredded View Post
    Is this one of the haters?:'(
    There's nothing wrong with a bit of skepticism, but he could have gone about it with a little less of a hostile undertone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce View Post
    Where are the experiments proving this is over hyped?
    Wait until the logs pop up.....bet you wont hear a peep from this troll.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoneDaddy View Post
    Wait until the logs pop up.....bet you wont hear a peep from this troll.
    I enjoy PES logs a lot, PES never has to resort to desperate measures as to giving a huge amount of free products just to spam the Supp Review page with logs of their products. Some of PES's logs are even done un-sponsored and that just goes to show you cannot buy the consumers satisfaction, if your product is good then it will shine...if it isn't, well even if you give it out for free results are gonna show the quality of it.

    Anyhow, I am sure the Alphamine logs will be quite fun to follow (and I am willing to bet they will reflect what 99% of the other PES logs show, that it is a proven effective supp)
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