Chris Leben v. Alessio Sakara added to UFC82
- 01-28-2008, 04:09 PM
- 01-28-2008, 04:55 PM
01-28-2008, 04:57 PM
Sakara said he was going down to MW after his last fight. Leben is staying at MW for now. I think Leben would have trouble making WW, big ol waterhead.
01-28-2008, 05:17 PM
01-28-2008, 07:58 PM
01-28-2008, 08:04 PM
Size, are you implying that someone is starting an excessive amount of threads to report completely trivial news? Hard to believe.
01-29-2008, 09:28 AM
01-29-2008, 09:58 AM
01-29-2008, 10:28 AM
01-29-2008, 11:09 AM
hopefully will be a slugfest that lasts all of 2 minutes. Leben to me is all but unwatchable at times
01-29-2008, 11:11 AM
01-29-2008, 11:15 AM
I will tell you what it is, Leben can take a beating, but seems a bit talentless. He is a blown up bar room brawler imo. I agree the Martin fight was fun from a fireworks perspective, however if you watch the fights for any technical skill, you will be utterly disappointed
01-29-2008, 11:16 AM
01-29-2008, 11:24 AM
I agree, it is all the new fans based off of TUF. No disrespect to many of those guys, but they are non technical brawlers (Leben being a prime example). Dont get me wrong, some of those guys are real solid (Danzig, Stevenson, Kos, just to name a few), however many are just brawlers.
01-29-2008, 11:38 AM
01-29-2008, 01:59 PM
I am with you. The modern UFC is very much about personalities. It seems that people like forest (who is tough, but not a great fighter in his own words) get pushed to the top as poster boy while other technical guys from the show toil away
01-29-2008, 02:01 PM
01-29-2008, 02:04 PM
I cant see that at all. It is a bad matchup for forrest imo. Page is strong, athletic and has solid standup. He can slug it out with forrest but moving forrest around grappling will be no problem for page. I see it lasting 2rds with Page via tko
01-29-2008, 02:06 PM
Thats how I see it also. Forrest has a gas tank... but in all aspects of the game Rampage is much more solid. Wrestling, Subs, Guard, and Striking. Not to say Forrest hasn't improved. But I don't think he is ready for a belt test.
01-29-2008, 02:24 PM
01-29-2008, 02:32 PM
I just dont see him being technical enough. Hell I think if Shogun was 100% he would have beaten forrest, and I see a few other guys at 205 who would beat him
01-29-2008, 03:14 PM
01-29-2008, 03:17 PM
Subs can come from all angles (Standing, top, bottom). Guard can only be pulled from the back.. and it is utilized by controlling the opponent from your back not allowing him to pass your legs for a more dominant position thus minimizing the damage you take and either working to finish from your back or to stall for a standup. There are many types of guard. Closed, Open, Rubber, Butterfly and etc. All used differently to do different things.
01-29-2008, 03:20 PM
01-29-2008, 03:46 PM
01-29-2008, 03:48 PM
01-29-2008, 03:50 PM
Alex is telling you to explain how 'Page has great subs and guard, something he hasn't necessarily displayed in the past.
The dude's the FortyYear Old Virgin of MMA. I'm pretty sure he knows what subs and/or guard is.
01-29-2008, 03:54 PM
Rampage is a fricken clown, I love that guy. His behind the scenes stuff from the DVD's are too hilarious.
NSCA - CSCS
01-29-2008, 03:55 PM
Honest misunderstanding on my part.
Just because he doesn't utilize them in fights doesn't mean they aren't there or world class at that.
01-29-2008, 04:17 PM
That may be true, but 'Page only has 4 legitimate subs, with two being a choke and the others being armbars or kimuras I believe. Last I recall they were against cans as well. His other submissions are verbal taps.
If you have some insider info that his grappling/subs are world class, I would consider that, but he definitely has not displayed it up to this point. In the Hendo fight his guard was tight and active, but not active to the point where I would say it's world class. He controlled Hendo's position well in side control and neutralized his posture in both top and bottom position guard, but he attempted no subs, whereas Hendo went for a few Kimuras.
I would have no issue agreeing his wrestling is world class - it takes world class wrestling to negate the wrestling skills of a former Olympian, but that's wrestling and not BJJ.
My experience tells me that if his subs were world class, he would have gone for some attempts in side control, but he did not.
But, if you have info that speaks otherwise, maybe it's valid.
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