Shogun Rua was robbed.
- 10-25-2009, 12:27 AM
- 10-25-2009, 12:29 AM
- 10-25-2009, 01:02 AM
What's Dana got to do with it?
10-25-2009, 01:04 AM
10-25-2009, 01:12 AM
I think he was robbed as well, but for all 3 judges to score the fight the same way that leads me to believe there's something about the scoring system that I don't understand.
10-25-2009, 02:11 AM
I hate this. finish a fight you have 25 minutes and are the main event. I didnt get to see the whole fight jsut first 2 rounds cuz the feed got dropped but i see everywhere it sucked.
10-25-2009, 02:21 AM
10-25-2009, 02:38 AM
oh yeah bisping vs hamil was so gay that bisping dropped to middle weight lol. yeah leg kicks is the only think that scored with page vs forrest. i really hate that gay ass fight.
10-25-2009, 05:01 AM
I was absolutely SPEWING at the decision.
Absolutely the worst decision in UFC history. You can't compare Bisping vs. Hamill, Bisping vs. Evans or Belcher vs. Akiyama to this fight, they were 3 round fights. This was for the championship. I don't personally think the Griffin vs. Rampage fight was an especially bad decision - Rampage got crippled in that fight.
I had Shogun winning at least 4 rounds - and to score the remaining round for Machida was iffy to say to the least.
I know it's the AC who provides the judges etc, but someone made a lot of money on Machida winning tonight as it's the most obviously bent (As opposed to bad) decision I've seen in the UFC. No panel of judges who were on planet Earth could've scored that fight unanimously for Lyoto.
Complete and utter horse-****.
10-25-2009, 08:40 AM
I agree Shogun looked. Like he won. But I keep asking myself why? I don't buy the conspiracy theories. Only thing I can come up with is that leg kick are not that convincing to judges and champions are favoured.
10-25-2009, 09:14 AM
As an aside, Cain is damn good. I know Nog gets the Brock/Carwin winner, but I can't wait to see Cain get a shot soon.
10-25-2009, 10:46 AM
10-25-2009, 10:49 AM
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10-25-2009, 11:00 AM
One of my friends watching the fights said that this was as bad has Bisping Hamel, which was a fight I did not see. I also disagreed with Rampage losing on a decision to Griffin.
But this was just inexcusable.
It's hard to concentrate when I can hear your thoughts.
10-25-2009, 11:35 AM
10-25-2009, 12:47 PM
Machida knows he lost. Whenever he was asked if he thought he had won the fight his only response was "There were three judges, they all scored it for me" .
I don't see how Shogun could lose. In terms of effective striking Shogun should have had lyoto by a long shot, he even attempted and landed a flying knee strike to the body. Just about every kick Lyoto let out was countered immediately.
10-25-2009, 01:41 PM
Iím a Machida fan and as soon as it ended I figured he lost it. As much as I wanted him to win I felt like he got beat. Canít really blame him for the bad call and if they fight again I hope he does better but Shogun won this in my opinion.
10-25-2009, 02:13 PM
I cant believe cains punches cant hurt people more than tthey do. when he had him against the fench most could have gotten KO'ed right there. rothwell can take a beating but he was done. he would have gotten taken down again and beat. it was fine with me im glad he won cain is freakin sick but i wish he would reach back for some more power.
too bad it wasnt a 7 round fight.....
10-25-2009, 02:25 PM
10-25-2009, 02:53 PM
Huge Machida fan too but we all know he got beat(except for the judges). Not his fault but Shogun does deserve another shot.
Hats off to Shogun too....he brought the pain!
10-25-2009, 04:05 PM
This fight however I was like RRRRRRRUUUUUSERIOUSSSSS? Machida looked like he was too afraid to commit since his legs were hamburger and even though it was close I can't see it in machida's favor. I see it split but in favor of Shogun. just my opinion.
10-25-2009, 04:12 PM
10-25-2009, 04:54 PM
10-25-2009, 05:06 PM
10-25-2009, 05:10 PM
Hi. I was thinking that whatever I'm missing was whatever they talk about judging in japan... that in a championship fight the champ gets the round unless he really loses it with the expectation being that the challenger will try and kill the ****in guy so as to not let the judges get a say. Seems like a good idea but I thought the american system took none of that into account. Anyways, you guys think Dana is overdoing it when he says Mazzagotti has no business ref'ing MMA fights?
10-25-2009, 05:17 PM
Brock masshed Mir, dropped Coture, broke Herring's orbital.
10-25-2009, 05:32 PM
RcB Since 09-06-2011 20:55 EST, Post 49
10-25-2009, 05:59 PM
I can't describe how pissed I am about this.
Shogun was given literally no chance by nearly everyone except for a very loyal few who still have faith in him.
He pours his heart and soul into an 6-7 month grueling training camp, away from his pregnant wife. Comes into the fight with the perfect gameplan, and gets robbed by the judges.
And if that wasn't low enough Machida and his asshat Manager Ed Soares couldn't even give Shogun his due credit when Machida knew damn well that he lost to Shogun.
I can't ****ing believe this at all.
Dana is calling for an immediate rematch, but that won't correct how ****ed up this was.
10-25-2009, 06:44 PM
10-25-2009, 06:51 PM
That was a perfect example of why it is important to finish the fight. Don't ever let it go to decision.
10-25-2009, 07:23 PM
I think Dana dislikes him for essentially messing with his bread and butter. The stop on Cain/Rothwell and standing up and deducting a point from brock without a warning in the first lesnar/mir bout and not jumping to top the tap out when it happens, like other refs do. I think there were a few other fights where he is hesistant to jump in there when it needs to end.
As a part of any fight company, you don't want a guy that stops and deducts fights too quickly as well as ends fights when there are more strikes given than are necessary.
YouTube - Rashad Evans beats Forrest Griffin
This is a prime example, in the Rashad Evans vs Forrest Griffin Bout. He gets off about 11 punches. 6 or so too many.
10-25-2009, 07:33 PM
10-25-2009, 08:24 PM
10-25-2009, 08:51 PM
10-25-2009, 08:56 PM
Not to mention the whole, "That's why you should finish ever fight" mentality is ****ing bull****.
Judges should score bouts appropriately. Yes there are razor thin decisions that can go either way and most fighters understand and accept it if they lose. In an instance though where you have one fighter clearly dominating the action over the course of a 5 round fight who loses a unanimious decision... Well, that's bull**** too.
Yes finished fights are better than decisions, but considering that typically a third or more of fights on any UFC card go to decisions, they need to sort out how this is being executed.
10-25-2009, 09:05 PM
Machida got beat on unlike any other fight he has been in. Plus landed less significant shots than he ever has. This was just a horrible. horrible decision.
When the "Champ" lands less and takes more, how the hell does he win unanimously? I thought Shogun looked sharp and was clearly the better fighter.
It's hard to concentrate when I can hear your thoughts.
10-25-2009, 09:12 PM
machida's style wont always finish fights. but shoguns should and shouldnt have left it. he was fighting like machida does and countering. shogun was really smart tho playing him game and not charging. because of this just made it not that exciting and bad call. i had a STRONG feeling it was going to be a UD. I think they will come out harder round 2. this stuff will happen tho forever.
10-25-2009, 11:21 PM
This was pathetic... Wow...
I was so happy to see the Shogun of old days but all the happiness just went away with the refs blowing yet another fight... Shameful.
Rematch should be fun though... Can't see Shogun not coming 110%
10-25-2009, 11:48 PM
10-25-2009, 11:54 PM
I just watched the fight, so I have fresh outrage at the whole Lyoto winning by getting leg kicked, or is it Shogun lost via administering superior amount of damage. Take away lesson for Shogun, take more leg kicks and deliver less during their next bout to polish that scorecard.
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