[jas123]

Originally Posted by DaTruthMMA

True, I guess I'm just assuming since some fighters have had problems cutting down or going up. Even the best conditioning can lead you to gas, i.e. Hendo dropping back down to MW against Silva, he gassed.

BJ Penn gassing. It happens. Yeah, I doubt Fedor would drop, but if he did it would be insane to see him destroy LHW division. However, I think he would have trouble against Jackson, Machida, and Evans.

Hendo didn't gas. He got put on queer street by Silva then choked when he was only semi-coherent.

[Rodja]

BJ gassed because he didn't dedicate himself to getting into proper condition. Fedor has adipose that he could drop and he is only about 230, which is about the same weight as Tito, Forrest, etc. Their has never been a fighter dominate his weight-class like Fedor, which makes him the best P4P fighter despite the fact that he is a HW. GSP has lost 2x decisively, BJ has lost decisively, Andy, Forrest, etc. The only other fighter that has had near the success during his career is Noguier, but Fedor GnP'd him 2x.

[flobot]

I might sound like a fanboy but Fedor seems invincible at HW. I can't think of anyone that can overpower or outskill him. His technique is uber dangerous because of his strength which is so deceptive because he just looks like an average fat bum. I bet he can arm bar all of us here with one arm.

Originally Posted by Rodja

BJ gassed because he didn't dedicate himself to getting into proper condition. Fedor has adipose that he could drop and he is only about 230, which is about the same weight as Tito, Forrest, etc. Their has never been a fighter dominate his weight-class like Fedor, which makes him the best P4P fighter despite the fact that he is a HW. GSP has lost 2x decisively, BJ has lost decisively, Andy, Forrest, etc. The only other fighter that has had near the success during his career is Noguier, but Fedor GnP'd him 2x.

[somewhatgifted]

Originally Posted by Rodja

BJ gassed because he didn't dedicate himself to getting into proper condition. Fedor has adipose that he could drop and he is only about 230, which is about the same weight as Tito, Forrest, etc. Their has never been a fighter dominate his weight-class like Fedor, which makes him the best P4P fighter despite the fact that he is a HW. GSP has lost 2x decisively, BJ has lost decisively, Andy, Forrest, etc. The only other fighter that has had near the success during his career is Noguier, but Fedor GnP'd him 2x.

Rodja do you think the current status of these fighters is more important or the careers when considering P 4 P ? take fedor out of the equation then who do you like next? I think the fedor argument is sound hes in a class all his own but after that what who do you think is the P 4 P?

[Rodja]

Originally Posted by somewhatgifted

Rodja do you think the current status of these fighters is more important or the careers when considering P 4 P ? take fedor out of the equation then who do you like next? I think the fedor argument is sound hes in a class all his own but after that what who do you think is the P 4 P?

I like GSP as #2 for P4P and I think an overall career record and growth as a fighter is paramount. GSP's wrestling has reached an elite status, which has enabled him to dictate the pace and position of the fight.

[Mulletsoldier]

Originally Posted by Rodja

I like GSP as #2 for P4P and I think an overall career record and growth as a fighter is paramount. GSP's wrestling has reached an elite status, which has enabled him to dictate the pace and position of the fight.

Agreed; which is why I think he will decisively win GSP/Penn II (if it occurs), rather than eek out an arguable decision.

[Rodja]

Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier

Agreed; which is why I think he will decisively win GSP/Penn II (if it occurs), rather than eek out an arguable decision.

I haven't decided who I think will win this one. I like both of them as fighters because they are always entertaining and trying to finish the fight, but can't decide who I want to win or who I think will win.

[Emerge]

Personally, the way I define the best P4P, I think the best P4P fighter means a fighter that at any given weight would be the best. That a 155 pound fighter would be the best all the way up to 205, if he was REALLY P4P the best. But, I don't want to take away from all of what Fedor has done. Yes, he is amazing yes he is obviously the best, and no I don't really see anyone beating him. But, there will always be doubt in my mind that a more athletic guy could possibly beat him.

Henderson made his plea for the best P4P, and at some point in time maybe he was.

[robdog]

Originally Posted by Emerge

Personally, the way I define the best P4P, I think the best P4P fighter means a fighter that at any given weight would be the best. That a 155 pound fighter would be the best all the way up to 205, if he was REALLY P4P the best. But, I don't want to take away from all of what Fedor has done. Yes, he is amazing yes he is obviously the best, and no I don't really see anyone beating him. But, there will always be doubt in my mind that a more athletic guy could possibly beat him.

Henderson made his plea for the best P4P, and at some point in time maybe he was.

P4P best means the most skilled fighter relative to their size/weight class. Not which fighters could move up or down in weight and do the best in other weight divisions.

[Emerge]

Since there is no textbook definition, there is no definitive way of answering that question. And, like I said. my definition differs from the norm I see. That is fine. What you are describing is just the best fighter in his division. Which is just saying he is the best HW.

I hope you see, that debating opinion is futile unless backed up by compelling arguments.

[robdog]

Originally Posted by Emerge

Since there is no textbook definition, there is no definitive way of answering that question. And, like I said. my definition differs from the norm I see. That is fine. What you are describing is just the best fighter in his division. Which is just saying he is the best HW.

I hope you see, that debating opinion is futile unless backed up by compelling arguments.

Its not opinion, there IS a definition of what P4P means and you just dont get it. But you're right, arguing with you is futile because youve shown in almost every post of yours that you have no clue what you're talking about.

[jas123]

P4P means shrink or enlarge every fighter to same weightclass and figure out who would win. There's been a lot of not getting it around here lately.

[Emerge]

Originally Posted by jas123

P4P means shrink or enlarge every fighter to same weightclass and figure out who would win. There's been a lot of not getting it around here lately.

Fedor does not need to shrink to fight at 205 though. And, THAT is exactly what I'm talking about. He CAN fight at 205 so lets see if he can beat everyone there too.

Jesus, ****ing christ Rob get the **** off my nuts already. What are you the MMA general? So certain are you? Your credibility stems from what? Because you agree with the majority? I have a different opinion, and if you honestly think I don't know anything about what I'm talking about... then you are contradicting yourself by trying to make me see it your way. Seriously.

[Rodja]

Originally Posted by Emerge

Fedor does not need to shrink to fight at 205 though. And, THAT is exactly what I'm talking about. He CAN fight at 205 so lets see if he can beat everyone there too.

Jesus, ****ing christ Rob get the **** off my nuts already. What are you the MMA general? So certain are you? Your credibility stems from what? Because you agree with the majority? I have a different opinion, and if you honestly think I don't know anything about what I'm talking about... then you are contradicting yourself by trying to make me see it your way. Seriously.

What incentive is there for him to fight at 205lbs/93kg? People ***** about him not fighting top HWs, then he dismantles Sylvia (top-5). Now people challenge his status as the P4P king because he won't drop down to LHW. There has never been a time when a fighter drops a weight class when he has never lost at his current weight.