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    For starters.. my shbg is low 7 and my e2 is a lil high and my total test and free test are pretty much high normal. I am a patient of Dr. Johns and am curious about one thing. I am just wondering for anyone out there with adrenal fatigue if your symptoms were similar to mine. I will wake up and feel good for about an hour and then it hits me. I soon get tired and faint/weak feeling for the rest of the day. I tend to get cramped easily and my muscles feel flat and none pumped. If I go off my thyroid meds for awhile.. i soon feel better for about a week and then i get tired again from low thyroid. SO i will then start up my thyroid meds again and i feel good again for about 2 weeks until i feel burned out again. So in time I know Dr John will have me fixed but I am guessing this sounds like adrenal fatigue? Just curious what anyone elses experiences with energy and adrenal fatigue were like? My erections are there in the morning if I take ZMA the previous night but they are sorta weak and soon disappear once the days starts.

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    Aren't you talking to your Dr about this??

    He knows better than anyone here..

    You are a patient of one of the best hormones specialists, but you'd rather talk to a message board?

    Sounds just like adrenals to me though, textbook example of how you need to support them before starting thyroid meds, if they are fatigued in anyway.

    Btw, morning erections are supposed to disappear once the day starts ;-) You don't want to be walking around with a hardon do you? lol
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    i mean as soon as i stand up they leave and they dont come back the rest of the day. Yes he is gonna test my thyroid at the end of this month.
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    You can't force them back? If they are misbehaving, a few spanks won't make them act proper again?

    He should test your adrenals as well no? I know he treats adrenals in patients of his.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    You can't force them back? If they are misbehaving, a few spanks won't make them act proper again?

    He should test your adrenals as well no? I know he treats adrenals in patients of his.
    What did the rhiens say about adrenals ? Or have you done it yet. If something is not working you need to examine other options rather then just hormones such as lifestyle, sleep patterns, and also proper nutritional balances. I have had several people on TRT feeling like crap then adjusting a few things here and there made all the difference in the world for them. Even though everything was in range some things were still not right from other aspects of their well being. Accessing hormones is one 30% of the issue. Lifestyles, sleep patterns, hidden nutritional imbalances are the other 50% that is never explored.
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.
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    Adrenal Support...

    Basic Multivitamin/ B Complex -- You will want to take a strong, balanced formula that provides decent amounts of key factors for adrenal and metabolic health.

    Adrenal Glandulars -- Desiccated adrenal gland can be helpful to some people in supporting the gland, and replacing some missing adrenal hormones.

    Pregnenolone, DHEA -- Pregnenolone and DHEA are hormones that can help resolve adrenal fatigue.

    Look into Adaptogenic Herbs for energy and to support the adrenals and endocrine system particularly Siberian Ginseng and Glycyrrhizae uralensis which support energy, the adrenals, normal and normal blood sugar to name a few.

    Avoid Stimulants.

    And finally your diet -

    The main issue with protein in people suffering from adrenal fatigue is that they also have lower levels of the hydrochloric acid (HCL) that's needed to break down the protein. As a result, typical high protein meals that are consumed will typically leave you bloated, gassy, or increase the feeling of heaviness in your stomach. So you must increase your HCL intake if you want to keep the protein high.

    Make sure your carbohydrates come from fibrous sources. Limiting sugars and including fruits. Whether it's glucose or fructose, our your body doesn't handle sugar as well during times of adrenal insufficiency. The majority of our carbs should actually come from rice and vegetables in the beginning stages.

    Fats and oils should be heavily relied on during adrenal recovery periods. Total Testosterone is lower and your free Testosterone is bound up in cases of adrenal fatigue, so we'll need fats to increase Testosterone production.

    First choice is going to be an omega-3 supplement. and including essential fatty acids, flax oil, udo's oil and nuts, olive oils, avocadoes etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MetalMX View Post
    Adrenal Support...

    Basic Multivitamin/ B Complex -- You will want to take a strong, balanced formula that provides decent amounts of key factors for adrenal and metabolic health.

    Adrenal Glandulars -- Desiccated adrenal gland can be helpful to some people in supporting the gland, and replacing some missing adrenal hormones.

    Pregnenolone, DHEA -- Pregnenolone and DHEA are hormones that can help resolve adrenal fatigue.

    Look into Adaptogenic Herbs for energy and to support the adrenals and endocrine system particularly Siberian Ginseng and Glycyrrhizae uralensis which support energy, the adrenals, normal and normal blood sugar to name a few.

    Avoid Stimulants.

    And finally your diet -

    The main issue with protein in people suffering from adrenal fatigue is that they also have lower levels of the hydrochloric acid (HCL) that's needed to break down the protein. As a result, typical high protein meals that are consumed will typically leave you bloated, gassy, or increase the feeling of heaviness in your stomach. So you must increase your HCL intake if you want to keep the protein high.

    Make sure your carbohydrates come from fibrous sources. Limiting sugars and including fruits. Whether it's glucose or fructose, our your body doesn't handle sugar as well during times of adrenal insufficiency. The majority of our carbs should actually come from rice and vegetables in the beginning stages.

    Fats and oils should be heavily relied on during adrenal recovery periods. Total Testosterone is lower and your free Testosterone is bound up in cases of adrenal fatigue, so we'll need fats to increase Testosterone production.

    First choice is going to be an omega-3 supplement. and including essential fatty acids, flax oil, udo's oil and nuts, olive oils, avocadoes etc.
    Most people with adrenal fatigue I find have problems with methylation process one way or another and have genetic predisposition to it to begin with.
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Matrix View Post
    What did the rhiens say about adrenals ? Or have you done it yet. If something is not working you need to examine other options rather then just hormones such as lifestyle, sleep patterns, and also proper nutritional balances. I have had several people on TRT feeling like crap then adjusting a few things here and there made all the difference in the world for them. Even though everything was in range some things were still not right from other aspects of their well being. Accessing hormones is one 30% of the issue. Lifestyles, sleep patterns, hidden nutritional imbalances are the other 50% that is never explored.
    I haven't done it yet, instead I went right for the Isocort and am trying it out. At the same time, I've doubled my HCL and enzyme intake and am trying to fix my sleeping problems, and am only using HCG + arimidex right now. You're right though..it is definitely other factors for me. I didn't feel better than before when I started on test + hcg. I expected more, but now I'm going to look at all other angles. If Isocort isn't helping, I'm going to ween off and test adrenals via Rhiens test, might need HC possibly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MetalMX View Post

    So you must increase your HCL intake if you want to keep the protein high.
    How can one do this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavesNotHere View Post
    How can one do this?

    Betain HCL w/Pepsin.
    I would recommend a good multi-enzyme too.
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    thanks
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    You could probably safely take 4 caps of the 650mg version with a normal meal or even with a shake.

    For a large meal, I personally can take 9 caps while I'm eating and not feel a burn from it. If you feel a burn, back down a bit on the dose to where you are comfortable. Also, don't drink too much fluids with your meal when you use these, that way the enzymes are able to work better.
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    solid info, thanks. I currently take enzymes to good effect. I'm ignorant about HCL tho. I did a 1-t cycle a month ago. 1-T has the preg and DHEA. That seemed to help me out a lot. It was after that cycle that I became interested in adrenal fatigue.
    My digestion is greatly improved excepting high-protein intake so I'm now hoping the HCL will help with that.
    Thanks again!
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    So what can be done in case of genetic predisposition????
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    I haven't done it yet, instead I went right for the Isocort and am trying it out. At the same time, I've doubled my HCL and enzyme intake and am trying to fix my sleeping problems, and am only using HCG + arimidex right now. You're right though..it is definitely other factors for me. I didn't feel better than before when I started on test + hcg. I expected more, but now I'm going to look at all other angles. If Isocort isn't helping, I'm going to ween off and test adrenals via Rhiens test, might need HC possibly.

    Where doing all the right thing, but in all the backass way..Like most dr's do. They use the replace and fill it method which is completely wrong.

    Example female comes to a dr he at 50 years old test estrodial and its low so he replaces estrodial. 2 weeks later she feels worse then she did before and drs refered her to psychologist. Finally finds a competent dr and fines that she had a progesterone of .7 (average is 10-20) and cortisol level of 10 (average is 16-20), estrodial 210 (60-400), testosterone 8 (5-24). This is one prime example as i hear about and deal with all the time..both male and female
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coolhammer View Post
    So what can be done in case of genetic predisposition????
    People of english, anglo saxon, american indian, african american are more proone to illnesss related to genetic exposure of stress

    BTW blame it on your parents and being american
    Study found that american babies adrenals are 3 times the size of babies in foriegn countries. SO babies are born with genetic hyperplasia in comparision to rest of the world ..No wonder so many babies grow up craving sugar, and ADD/HD.
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavesNotHere View Post
    solid info, thanks. I currently take enzymes to good effect. I'm ignorant about HCL tho. I did a 1-t cycle a month ago. 1-T has the preg and DHEA. That seemed to help me out a lot. It was after that cycle that I became interested in adrenal fatigue.
    My digestion is greatly improved excepting high-protein intake so I'm now hoping the HCL will help with that.
    Thanks again!
    Hi proteins diet deplete b-6 which is needed to make stomach acid in the first place, also depletes organic sodium, potassiu,. choloride, calcium,magnesium. leading to acidosis which i suspect about 80-90% of people on here have had for many years. Due to their constitution telling them nothing wrong and they are fine, they have to hit bottom to finally get help. Self pride and stubornace are the main reasons americas are sick.
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.
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    Quick question about something related: When someone is at the state where their adrenals are slacking - after chronic stress, and finally the output of cortisol is insufficient (low), do levels of epinephrine and norepinephrine rise?

    What is it exactly which causes anxiety in adrenal insufficiency?
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    In addition to what MetalMX posted, I would recommend any or all of the following: Tyrosine, Vitamin C, Phosphatidylserine, and Licorice Root...

    Quote Originally Posted by MetalMX View Post
    Adrenal Support...

    Basic Multivitamin/ B Complex -- You will want to take a strong, balanced formula that provides decent amounts of key factors for adrenal and metabolic health.

    Adrenal Glandulars -- Desiccated adrenal gland can be helpful to some people in supporting the gland, and replacing some missing adrenal hormones.

    Pregnenolone, DHEA -- Pregnenolone and DHEA are hormones that can help resolve adrenal fatigue.

    Look into Adaptogenic Herbs for energy and to support the adrenals and endocrine system particularly Siberian Ginseng and Glycyrrhizae uralensis which support energy, the adrenals, normal and normal blood sugar to name a few.

    Avoid Stimulants.

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    The main issue with protein in people suffering from adrenal fatigue is that they also have lower levels of the hydrochloric acid (HCL) that's needed to break down the protein. As a result, typical high protein meals that are consumed will typically leave you bloated, gassy, or increase the feeling of heaviness in your stomach. So you must increase your HCL intake if you want to keep the protein high.

    Make sure your carbohydrates come from fibrous sources. Limiting sugars and including fruits. Whether it's glucose or fructose, our your body doesn't handle sugar as well during times of adrenal insufficiency. The majority of our carbs should actually come from rice and vegetables in the beginning stages.

    Fats and oils should be heavily relied on during adrenal recovery periods. Total Testosterone is lower and your free Testosterone is bound up in cases of adrenal fatigue, so we'll need fats to increase Testosterone production.

    First choice is going to be an omega-3 supplement. and including essential fatty acids, flax oil, udo's oil and nuts, olive oils, avocadoes etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Matrix View Post
    Where doing all the right thing, but in all the backass way..Like most dr's do. They use the replace and fill it method which is completely wrong.

    Example female comes to a dr he at 50 years old test estrodial and its low so he replaces estrodial. 2 weeks later she feels worse then she did before and drs refered her to psychologist. Finally finds a competent dr and fines that she had a progesterone of .7 (average is 10-20) and cortisol level of 10 (average is 16-20), estrodial 210 (60-400), testosterone 8 (5-24). This is one prime example as i hear about and deal with all the time..both male and female

    You hit the nail on the head with that one.

    So what is the right method in your opinion?

    I would believe that its treating the root cause of all this and that is the genetics/DNA/undermethylation and mutations which have occured.
  

  
 

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