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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Olestra View Post
    This seems like good advice.

    xo0ox - the stack you mentioned will work, but why do you want to switch up the compounds halfway through? I say pick 2-3 and give them a full 8 week run. Epiandro is great for combating estro sides, so maybe run it instead of M1D like Dreamweaver did. Epiandro plus the battle hardener 8 week stack sounds awesome.
    One thing about hard though, you can't look hard if you're not really lean. Plan your hardening run at the end of your leaning process.
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by Olestra View Post
    This seems like good advice.

    xo0ox - the stack you mentioned will work, but why do you want to switch up the compounds halfway through? I say pick 2-3 and give them a full 8 week run. Epiandro is great for combating estro sides, so maybe run it instead of M1D like Dreamweaver did. Epiandro plus the battle hardener 8 week stack sounds awesome.
    Was more thinking of packing on some lean mass for 4 weeks then recomp the other 4 weeks getting rid of any excess fluids thay may have come.
    Would love to run pbold, 17-pro andro and epi andro for 8 weeks but money, money, money :-(
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  3. Good point. Thanks.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by xo0ox View Post
    Was more thinking of packing on some lean mass for 4 weeks then recomp the other 4 weeks getting rid of any excess fluids thay may have come.
    Would love to run pbold, 17-pro andro and epi andro for 8 weeks but money, money, money :-(
    Yea I feel that. Give the stack you originally metioned a run then. I'm sure you'll see good results.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Olestra View Post
    Yea I feel that. Give the stack you originally metioned a run then. I'm sure you'll see good results.
    Were would the p bold, 17-pro andro and epiandro 8 week run put me in comparison to the stack I mentioned if lean gains with minimal fat is the goal?
    Like many other I don't expect becoming the hulk in 2 weeks :-) but slow lasting hard working gains is my melody.

    How would they feel different compared to etch other.
    Strength? Libido? Hunger? Muscle gain? Hardness?

    Many questions I know ;-) First PH stack.

    About 10 weeks after this one I will run a cutting andro kit to shred the last remaining fat for the summer (4 week run)
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by xo0ox View Post
    Were would the p bold, 17-pro andro and epiandro 8 week run put me in comparison to the stack I mentioned if lean gains with minimal fat is the goal?
    Like many other I don't expect becoming the hulk in 2 weeks :-) but slow lasting hard working gains is my melody.

    How would they feel different compared to etch other.
    Strength? Libido? Hunger? Muscle gain? Hardness?

    Many questions I know ;-) First PH stack.

    About 10 weeks after this one I will run a cutting andro kit to shred the last remaining fat for the summer (4 week run)
    These will definitely be good for putting on lean muscle...the 17-proandro and pBOLD are both lean muscle builders and epiandro is a prohormone to DHT, which should be good for libido. Strength and hunger should definitely increase too.

    Some people use epiandro as a "test base" to keep up libido and combat lethargy. But I personally have never used it.

    pBOLD converts to boldenone which can convert to estrogen, although at a relatively mild rate. This is actually a good thing as having 0 estrogen in the body can have very bad effects such as painful joints and loss of libido. I was going to say you should run M1D for its estro conversion but then I realized that pBOLD should be able to take care of this area.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Olestra View Post
    These will definitely be good for putting on lean muscle...the 17-proandro and pBOLD are both lean muscle builders and epiandro is a prohormone to DHT, which should be good for libido. Strength and hunger should definitely increase too.

    Some people use epiandro as a "test base" to keep up libido and combat lethargy. But I personally have never used it.

    pBOLD converts to boldenone which can convert to estrogen, although at a relatively mild rate. This is actually a good thing as having 0 estrogen in the body can have very bad effects such as painful joints and loss of libido. I was going to say you should run M1D for its estro conversion but then I realized that pBOLD should be able to take care of this area.
    Yea crushed estrogen is a pain :-/
    Low estrogen can also limit muscle gain but in term also rid the body of water retention.

    But so close to the summer lean gains is a must so pbol, 17-proandro andro and epiandro seems to be the best bet.
    How would lean dry gains work with 2x bulking kits with epiandro in comparison?

  8. Quote Originally Posted by xo0ox View Post

    Yea crushed estrogen is a pain :-/
    Low estrogen can also limit muscle gain but in term also rid the body of water retention.

    But so close to the summer lean gains is a must so pbol, 17-proandro andro and epiandro seems to be the best bet.
    How would lean dry gains work with 2x bulking kits with epiandro in comparison?
    The compounds themselves wont produce the lean gains, 17pro and epiandro are good hardening products but you wont make big gains in a deficiency
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by hvactech View Post
    The compounds themselves wont produce the lean gains, 17pro and epiandro are good hardening products but you wont make big gains in a deficiency
    Yea that's basic to get big you got to eat big simple math.
    However as of now I'm around 8% body fat with visible abs and veins on arms legs etc.
    Last summer I was down to 3% = very moody :-)
    Here I am with about 6% fat
    http://i61.tinypic.com/wstfle.jpg

    As of now so close to the summer hard mass gain is out of the question as some fat will always be the result of a bulk even if it's lean.
    However gaining a some mass and at the same time cutting fat slowly or just maintain fat is somewhat possible with PH:s so that's what I want to know how that is best done and what combination is the best to achive that.
    pBol, 17-pro Andro and epi Andro seems to be a good stack but would 8 weeks of bulk andro with epi andro be to wet for my goal?

    Maybe best to save that stack for after summer when hard gains begins. I keep a low fat % during last autumn and winter and did not gain a lot of mass after summer and that is what I'm paying for now :-/

  10. Yea I would only do the bulking stack while eating a ****ton. Like I said M1D is basically suped up DHEA so it's going to help with muscle endurance and fullness and not really with leanness. I mean it will help with leanness, but it's not specifically designed for that. Same with 1-andro which converts to test. And yes your idea of doing the bulk kit first followed by the 17 pro and epi will work for your purposes but personally I would prefer to give these compounds a full 8 weeks to see their benefits instead of switching them up halfway through. If you wanted you could run two bulk kits in a row, and add in the epiandro or the 17 pro or both for the second half to finish off the cycle nice and lean but that gets pricey.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Olestra View Post
    Yea I would only do the bulking stack while eating a ****ton. Like I said M1D is basically suped up DHEA so it's going to help with muscle endurance and fullness and not really with leanness. I mean it will help with leanness, but it's not specifically designed for that. Same with 1-andro which converts to test. And yes your idea of doing the bulk kit first followed by the 17 pro and epi will work for your purposes but personally I would prefer to give these compounds a full 8 weeks to see their benefits instead of switching them up halfway through. If you wanted you could run two bulk kits in a row, and add in the epiandro or the 17 pro or both for the second half to finish off the cycle nice and lean but that gets pricey.
    I think I have nailed it down for my summer recomp.
    4 Weeks with bulk andro kit with epiandro on the side.
    PCT on this will be
    Form XT - Week 4-6
    DAA - Week 5-8
    Activate Xtreme Week 5-8
    Triazole Week 7-10
    Lean Xtreme Week 5-8

    Goal = To put on Lean mass bumping the kcal as needed,

    Will run some anabeta for 4 weeks after Activate Xtreme as well with some alphamine.

    Goal = Getting setup for another run with cutting andro kit and maybe begin some carful diet deepening how I feel in the body.

    Mid June I will run the Cutting Andro kit for 8 weeks with same pct after.

    Goal = Get shredded and maintain it during summer.

    - With and 8 weeks cycle with the 1-andro do you need a SERM?
    The kit dose I pretty low (4ml/day) but 8 weeks is a long time and I don't want to be shutdown to hard :-)
    - Also with the cutting andro kit does the epiandro serve as a test base to prevent lethargy from the 1-andro?

    I will after this have a 3-4 month off any prohormones and let the body rest back to homostasis.

    Looking good or am I overdoing it as usual? ;-)

  12. I like that cycle. Epiandro will keep you lean while increasing strength.

    You should start the Triazole immediately after you go off cycle tho. It contains a natural SERM and you always want to start those immediately.

    Personally I don't think you would need a prescription/heavy duty SERM, even for an 8 week cycle. Essentially what you're taking is a mild dosage of Test with DHT alongside it. It will cause some shutdown but not to the point that you won't easily be able to start back up again. But that's just me.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Olestra View Post
    I like that cycle. Epiandro will keep you lean while increasing strength.

    You should start the Triazole immediately after you go off cycle tho. It contains a natural SERM and you always want to start those immediately.

    Personally I don't think you would need a prescription/heavy duty SERM, even for an 8 week cycle. Essentially what you're taking is a mild dosage of Test with DHT alongside it. It will cause some shutdown but not to the point that you won't easily be able to start back up again. But that's just me.
    Yea the 1-andro is the most suppressive and it's low dosed. Talos (cykel support) will be run att 1/2 dose through both cykles.
    Will the epiandro counteract tiredness from the 1 andro in the cut stack? Libido?

    Epiandro = DHT
    1-andro = Test?
    17-pro andro = ?

  14. Quote Originally Posted by xo0ox View Post
    Yea the 1-andro is the most suppressive and it's low dosed. Talos (cykel support) will be run att 1/2 dose through both cykles.
    Will the epiandro counteract tiredness from the 1 andro in the cut stack? Libido?

    Epiandro = DHT
    1-andro = Test?
    17-pro andro = ?
    As for tiredness, I know some people have reported it on their 1-andro, which surprises me. According to the nomenclature on the bottle and to their website, it is actually a 4-Andro product, which is normally used to combat lethargy. So either LG screwed up in labeling it, or those people were expecting to get lethargy because of the product's brand name and psyched themselves out.

    1-andro (4-DHEA) does convert to Test, yes.
    17-pro andro is a progestin-based compound. This class of steroids varies in its effects a lot from compound to compound but it does contain steroids such as Deca and Tren. Other than that I can't tell you much about it. Need to look into the nomenclature more, as it is very confusing.

  15. triazole is an AI not a SERM. it should be started 2 weeks after you begin your PCT
    also there is little if any shut down involved unless you are dosing every 90 mins. otherwise the half life of these pHs is so short you probably wont skip a beat.
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  16. Well, DS at least markets it as a SERM. http://www.getds.com/FAQ-s/triazole-faq

    Whether it actually works in that way has never been positively proven.

    HOW DOES TRIAZOLEŽ ACT AS A SERM?
    A SERM is a compound that binds to the estrogen receptor but has different actions depending on the tissue where the receptor is present. This allows for anti-estrogenic effect in some tissues like the brain, but not in bone where estrogen plays an important role. For this, TriazoleŽ introduces CAPE, an all-natural SERM found in bee propolis extract. Propolis is a resin that bees use for structural support of their hive, but recent research has shown it to have numerous health benefits. These include reducing inflammation, strengthening the immune system and being excellent for heart health. While propolis contains many constituents, it is only CAPE that was demonstrated to displace estrogen from the estrogen receptor! (2) If CAPE is occupying the estrogen receptor, then the estrogen hormone has no way to bind to it itself making CAPE a novel SERM! In addition, CAPE has been shown to downregulate estrogen receptor expression, or in other words, reduce the amount of estrogen receptors.

    One other exciting property of CAPE that has been shown recently in research is its effect inhibiting a highly pro-inflammatory signalling molecule called NF-kB (3, 4), a signalling molecule linked with obesity and insulin resistance. Scientists are investigating compounds that can achieve this because inhibition of NF-kB signalling has potential therapeutic application in cancer and other inflammatory diseases.
    17-proandro looks to be pregnenolone based:

    One of the compounds in 17-proandro: http://www.chemspider.com/Chemical-S....16738706.html
    Pregnenolone: http://www.chemspider.com/Chemical-S...b-4206b269aa2d

  17. is this a new formula of triazole? im curious as I don't recall this being in it originally.
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  18. It's the "bee propolis extract" that's suppose to act as a SERM.
    I like it as a natty test booster recomp agent.

    Old and new Erase Pro is also said to have some SERM like properties.
    I enjoyed the new erase pro, not as dry as the old but more of a feel good feeling, no dry joints (but good overall leaning effect), libido boost and good result as a recomp agent.
    Stacked with Anabeta Elite V2 and alphamine it's my fav natty stack. Would be good to run after a PCT maybe to keep gains.

    So with the bulk kit I have 2 test base for volume and strength (M1D, 1-andro) and 1 DHT base with the epiandro for leaning/energy.

    With the Cutting kit Epiandro for leaning and energy, 1-andro for test and strength and volume and 17-pro andro for fat recomp and energy.

    Sounds good :-)

  19. Got a question.

    Doing the cutting andro kit now (4 days in) and had a though about the 1-andro dosing.
    On the box it says 4ml day (evening). As of now I'm taking 3ml 1 hour before workout and 1ml before bed (about 8h later).
    Should it be beneficial to split the dosage even further like 1ml morning, 2ml pre-workout, 1 ml bedtime?

  20. Quote Originally Posted by xo0ox View Post
    Got a question.

    Doing the cutting andro kit now (4 days in) and had a though about the 1-andro dosing.
    On the box it says 4ml day (evening). As of now I'm taking 3ml 1 hour before workout and 1ml before bed (about 8h later).
    Should it be beneficial to split the dosage even further like 1ml morning, 2ml pre-workout, 1 ml bedtime?
    I don't think there would be a big difference either way as it has a long half-life.
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    I don't think there would be a big difference either way as it has a long half-life.
    Ok, as long as the body stays saturated with the compund then.
    On the bottle it says 2ml 2 times daily but u have also read that the bigger dose is best to take 1h pre workout.
    But concidering the half life maybe 2ml 2x day will suffice.
    Have some left from the bulking kit 30ml) and I'm going to ad 1ml day extra after 2 weeks if the current dose feels ok.

    How would you dose it?

  22. I personally would do 1.5 three times a day. The mouth is limited in absorption and spreading out the doses should be maximize the amount you can absorb.

  23. If I was sticking with recommended dosing 2 times 2 ml but I would be more likely to go higher having had quite a bit of experience with this compound. Say 2 X 3 ml or 3 times 2 is ok but if you are stacking it with another liquid oral less frequency might be more convenient.
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug

  24. Stacking it with
    Epi andro 2/2/2 ml
    17-pro Andro 1.5/1.5/1.5/1.5 ml
    And now 1-andro 1/2/1 ml

    Will like i said before add 1 extra ml 1-andro day for a total of 5ml day.
    Dosing will then be someting like 2/2/1 or 1.5/2/1.5.

    But Yea it can be a bit of a pain with all compunds and timings so I will evaluate after this first week.
    The 17-pro drying effekt is fast (probably the armistance) the epi and 1-andro I'm expecting to kick in after about 14 days.

    Will be running this stack for 6-8 weeks.

  25. Is this product considered a DHEA? If so does it convert into androgens or estrogen? Looking for some clarification, thanks.

  26. Yea it's considered 1-dhea.
    1-andro is converted into 1-testosterone (2 step conversion) that can't convert into estrogen.
    It is a DHT derivative with the same androgenic activity as testosterone but 2x the anabolic activity.

    Androgenic activity is low/moderate and estrogenic sides a very low/none existent.

    Some people is to run it with a test base or DHT to combat lethargy but it's pretty dose dependent and also on what you what to achieve on the compound..

  27. What's the difference between a DHEA and 1-DHEA? I'm asking because I am looking to see if this is considered to be a banned substance for an event I am wanting to participate in.

  28. Quote Originally Posted by Salpica View Post
    What's the difference between a DHEA and 1-DHEA? I'm asking because I am looking to see if this is considered to be a banned substance for an event I am wanting to participate in.
    DHEA is considered "generic" or regular DHEA. It can technically be called 5-DHEA, since the double bond is located in the 5th position.

    DHEA has been popular in the life extension crowd since the 1980’s. It's typically used for its ability to support energy and general wellbeing at a dose of 50-100mg/day. (1-3) More recently, higher doses of DHEA have been used to improve body composition due to DHEA’s mild anabolic and thermogenic effects. (1, 4) This makes DHEA an excellent choice for cutting during a calorie deficient diet, since DHEA has good muscle sparing properties. (1, 17)

    1-DHEA is a naturally occurring DHEA isomer which cannot convert to testosterone or estrogen — but instead converts to the non-estrogenic 1-testosterone. (10)

    The total conversion to 1-testosterone is probably less than 2%. (6,7) However, 1-DHEA gets most of its effects from conversion to 1-androstenediol, which has potent muscle building and hardening effects in and of itself. (8, 11, 12) 1-androstenediol was sold as “1-AD” prior to the 2004 Steroid Control Act, and was known for producing rapid gains in lean mass with zero water retention or bloat.

    1-DHEA does not convert to estrogen nor does it activate the estrogen receptor like DHEA is known to do. (13) It could be referred to as “dry DHEA”. Because of this, it will stack well with other estrogenic steroids such as 4-DHEA to produce† clean gains in muscle tissue.
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  29. Long story short then DHEA and 1-DHEA are not the same, but similar.

    The competition I am wanting to do specifically bans Dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA, 3-beta-Hydroxy-5-androsten-17-one, 3-beta-Hydroxyandrost-5-en-17-one, 3-beta- Hydroxy-D5-androsten-17-one, 3-beta-hydroxy-etioallocholan-5-ene-17-one, 5-Androsten-3beta-ol-17-one) But none of which is found in 1-Androstenolone.

  30. Quote Originally Posted by Salpica View Post
    Long story short then DHEA and 1-DHEA are not the same, but similar.

    The competition I am wanting to do specifically bans Dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA, 3-beta-Hydroxy-5-androsten-17-one, 3-beta-Hydroxyandrost-5-en-17-one, 3-beta- Hydroxy-D5-androsten-17-one, 3-beta-hydroxy-etioallocholan-5-ene-17-one, 5-Androsten-3beta-ol-17-one) But none of which is found in 1-Androstenolone.
    Yah that's more of a technicality really as 1-dhea is a form of dhea.
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug
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