Liquid Masterdrol - Anyone interested in us bringing it back?

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Rhadam View Post
    I don't have much of a dog in this fight as chem stuff is a bit out of my realm of knowledge. But 2 things:

    First, PP is producing information to support their claim. It's like a supplement company sponsoring a clinical trial... how much can we actually trust. I'm not saying that PP is lying, i am just offering that up for thought. The same can be said with anything we (LG) say regarding our improved bioavailability.

    Second, PP's series run $100+, while we offer products for 30 dollars roughly.

    Food for thought.
    In reality it may be from the manufacturer but everything that is claimed is backed up. Everyone knows if you drink GFJ with your orals, you get much better absorption and bio-availabilty. The same goes for taking anything hormone related in the presence of a lipid or fat, again, studies show this. It is also why many OTC test boosters recommend to take fish oil with the dose, it makes a difference allbeit not a huge one.

    Here is the thing, oral bio-availability of androsterone, epiandrosterone is not good, this is VERY well documented. Sublingual delivery does help but as LG said, you are limited by how much you can get in one dose. That brings the next question, how many doses can you get in a day and how much does it take to get to a sizable amount that will make a big difference? No one is knocking MMV2, I wish I got to try it to be honest I never heard a bad thing about it, I just bring up the question I did before, if it was so good then why not bring it back just like it was and add more?
    If my direct and cynical approach bothers you, just ignore it. I'm just saying what you need to hear ;).


  2. Quote Originally Posted by oufinny View Post

    Here is the thing, oral bio-availability of androsterone, epiandrosterone is not good, this is VERY well documented. Sublingual delivery does help but as LG said, you are limited by how much you can get in one dose. That brings the next question, how many doses can you get in a day and how much does it take to get to a sizable amount that will make a big difference? No one is knocking MMV2, I wish I got to try it to be honest I never heard a bad thing about it, I just bring up the question I did before, if it was so good then why not bring it back just like it was and add more?
    I have never tried the old MMv2 either but like you, i have heard nothing but good things about it.

    That said, the proposed 25mg epiandrosterone for this current product will probably be pretty similar to the old MMv2.

    I dont know what MMv2 was dosed at but I do know MMv3 only contains 20mg of androsterone. So if the MMv2 was dosed the same way MMv3 is, then this proposed product should be like the old MMv2.

    My problem is with the liquid delivery and is just a personal preference really. I just dont like it (I always feel like I swallow most of it and it doesnt dissolve all the way). If they stick with sublingual I would rather see tabs or just cap it and bring out a stanodrol type product.
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  3. Mmv2 was capped at 100mg per at 90 per bottle combined with Y and some other things.

    Why doesn't anyone just come out with a fat dissolved product? Take the hormone, dump it in some oil and package it with a dropper. Better delivery, cheaper overhead, more effective. Winner winner chicken dinner.
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by prld2gr8ns View Post
    Mmv2 was capped at 100mg per at 90 per bottle combined with Y and some other things.

    Why doesn't anyone just come out with a fat dissolved product? Take the hormone, dump it in some oil and package it with a dropper. Better delivery, cheaper overhead, more effective. Winner winner chicken dinner.
    MMv2 wasnt sublingual tabs?
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    MMv2 wasnt sublingual tabs?
    Nope. That was supposed to be the improvement in MMV3, we all saw how that went.
    If my direct and cynical approach bothers you, just ignore it. I'm just saying what you need to hear ;).
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by oufinny View Post
    Nope. That was supposed to be the improvement in MMV3, we all saw how that went.
    Oh if thats the case then I definitely would like to see a capped version instead of any sublingual one.

    200mg caps FTW!
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    This thread is about bringing back MMv2 right? So by androsterone we are talking about the isomer 3-beta-hydroxyetioallocholan-17-one correct? I know it gets confusing using the term androsterone with all these companies using the term 1-androsterone so I wont use it anymore.

    Do any of the companies you listed make a 3-beta-hydroxyetioallocholan-17-one product? Or even a 3 alpha isomer of it? Their androsterone products or 1-andro as they call it are 1-Dehydroepiandrosterone or 1-Androstene-3b-ol, 17-one (AKA 1-DHEA). The 3 beta (MMv2/stanodrol/androhard) and 3 alpha (MMv3) isomers of androsterone convert to DHT. 1-Androstene-3b-ol, 17-one is said to convert to 1-test.

    So 1-androsterone does not equal androsterone. At least this is my understanding of it since they convert differently, 3-beta-hydroxyetioallocholan-17-one converts more to DHT and 1- Androstene-3b-ol, 17-one should convert to 1-testosterone.

    Again this is my understanding of it and I could be wrong but as far as I know there are no other companies that are currently making any if those isimers besides primordials androhard.
    you are right.

    Quote Originally Posted by oufinny View Post
    The AMS product is very similar to PP, it may be a different isomer though. I know that PP went back to both the alpha and beta isomer because both have certain benefits. I want it to be great, I heard it was, times have changed though with the androseries now and some of the other options from AMS and a select few others. The kicker is people got wise after PP let everyone know how much you are really getting from the active which makes it hard for a company to just put out the same ol same ol and be taken seriously.
    you are wrong.



    androsterone= 5a reduced testosterone aka dht (ultimately)

    1-androsterone= 5a reduced boldenone aka 1-test (ultimately)

    different target hormones.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by PrepNwa23 View Post
    I think thats 1-Alpha by AMS its 3-beta-hydroxy-androstan-17-one
    yes, this is a ph to dht.

  9. You have any thoughts on this proposed product Jbry?

    Think 25mg epiandrosterone taken in a sublingual liquid (I assume taken with HPB-Cycldextrin) will be an effective androsterone product and would be comparable and competitive with androhard or stanodrol?
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    Oh if thats the case then I definitely would like to see a capped version instead of any sublingual one.

    200mg caps FTW!
    I like the way you think.
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh
    You have any thoughts on this proposed product Jbry?

    Think 25mg epiandrosterone taken in a sublingual liquid (I assume taken with HPB-Cycldextrin) will be an effective androsterone product and would be comparable and competitive with androhard or stanodrol?
    I think this depends on how the cyclo is attached to the compound

  12. Give us 3-beta-hydroxyetioallocholan-17-one, back with no Y.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by PrepNwa23 View Post
    Give us 3-beta-hydroxyetioallocholan-17-one, back with no Y.
    High dosed or with a lipid carrier
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  14. A liquid carrier would be fine by me. As long as I can play with dosing cause Id love to stack this with a few of my future ph runs.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by PrepNwa23 View Post
    A liquid carrier would be fine by me. As long as I can play with dosing cause Id love to stack this with a few of my future ph runs.
    me too!
    i hope one comes out without yohimbine and il be all over it.
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  16. Yes I know of a few lifters and pp that would like to see a liquid version back!

  17. Any updates on this? I seriously would buy MMV2 (liquid or capsule... none of this sublingual tab stuff though) in a heartbeat... and a lot of it.
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by GMG760 View Post
    Any updates on this? I seriously would buy MMV2 (liquid or capsule... none of this sublingual tab stuff though) in a heartbeat... and a lot of it.
    For sure I'd jump on quite a few bottles of this stuff especially if its liquid form.

  19. im gonna push on this and see the responce.
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  20. I'm not incredibly fond of the name 1-androsterone given to 1-DHEA because it just confuses people. Anyhow looking forward to when/if the liquid or capsule epiandrosterone w/ no yohimbine is released because I think it will really be a hit...and we'll hopefully have the new T-911 as well for your androsterone/pre-workout needs.
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  21. I think it will have a huge following cause it stacks well with lots of things.

  22. If it is epi-androsterone and dosed high, especially in pill form with a fatty acid carrier, it will be sick. Anything that is a standard pill will have to be so high because of the lack of bio-availability it may not be cost effective.
    If my direct and cynical approach bothers you, just ignore it. I'm just saying what you need to hear ;).

  23. Quote Originally Posted by oufinny
    If it is epi-androsterone and dosed high, especially in pill form with a fatty acid carrier, it will be sick. Anything that is a standard pill will have to be so high because of the lack of bio-availability it may not be cost effective.
    I definitely think it needs to be a liquid carrier for it to help its bioavailability.

  24. Any updates?

  25. Just thinkng about this^^^^^

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