Liquid Masterdrol - Anyone interested in us bringing it back?

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  1. Sweet x2
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  2. Bosses are out in Vegas doing business, but i hear from the sub-boss the mmv3 andro dose is roughly 100mg. That's not set in stone though, i need to hear from the man himself.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Rhadam View Post
    Bosses are out in Vegas doing business, but i hear from the sub-boss the mmv3 andro dose is roughly 100mg. That's not set in stone though, i need to hear from the man himself.
    Doubt that as the label on the bottle of MMV3 says:

    Strength Complex - 100mg:
    HydroxyPropylBetaCyclodextrin
    3-Alpha-Hydroxyetioallocholan-17-one

    So it looks like there is 100mg between the two of those combined so I doubt there is 100mg of androsterone alone, but thanks for asking and getting back to me.
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  4. We will do 25mg epiandrosterone. That's the max that the mucosa can take at one time it would seem.

  5. Interesting. Wonder how this would stack up with a plan high dosed oral.
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  6. Why not just cap it?
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by LG Sciences View Post
    We will do 25mg epiandrosterone. That's the max that the mucosa can take at one time it would seem.
    How is that going to be a higher dose? Even at 90% absorption, you are talking 22 mgs or so. I am just looking at this from the perspective of something like PP AndroHard where a full dose is 1200 mgs at a very high bio-availability. Seems you would have to take this a lot to get the same if it is even possible.
    If my direct and cynical approach bothers you, just ignore it. I'm just saying what you need to hear ;).

  8. Quote Originally Posted by oufinny

    How is that going to be a higher dose? Even at 90% absorption, you are talking 22 mgs or so. I am just looking at this from the perspective of something like PP AndroHard where a full dose is 1200 mgs at a very high bio-availability. Seems you would have to take this a lot to get the same if it is even possible.
    What I was thinking
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  9. 200mg caps would be pimptastic!
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    200mg caps would be pimptastic!
    and the bottle of 240 caps

  11. Quote Originally Posted by oufinny View Post
    How is that going to be a higher dose? Even at 90% absorption, you are talking 22 mgs or so. I am just looking at this from the perspective of something like PP AndroHard where a full dose is 1200 mgs at a very high bio-availability. Seems you would have to take this a lot to get the same if it is even possible.
    My thoughts also, i've wondered this with a few products that try to compete with how much PP's Andro series puts in their product line.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    200mg caps would be pimptastic!
    I would say 300 at 90.
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by LG Sciences View Post
    We will do 25mg epiandrosterone. That's the max that the mucosa can take at one time it would seem.
    Typical LG... you just go for the cheap and easy route instead of making something novel or dosing it high enough to make it attractive. There are so many more Andro products out there now that will blow that doseage out of the water... very disappointed. Everyone said MMV2 was the best, why wouldn't you just re-release that? Companies have brought back old products that customers asked for the same as they were and the fact you don't do that just boggles the mind.
    If my direct and cynical approach bothers you, just ignore it. I'm just saying what you need to hear ;).

  14. Quote Originally Posted by oufinny View Post
    Typical LG... you just go for the cheap and easy route instead of making something novel or dosing it high enough to make it attractive. There are so many more Andro products out there now that will blow that doseage out of the water... very disappointed. Everyone said MMV2 was the best, why wouldn't you just re-release that? Companies have brought back old products that customers asked for the same as they were and the fact you don't do that just boggles the mind.
    Yes, especially if we are talking about the realms of competitor products. There are products out there that offer dosages of upwards of 1200mg/day AND that tout a 80-90% bioavailibility rate. Not sure if a sublingual product at 25mg will measure up at all really.....
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  15. Who makes a androsterone product besides primordial? D-Plex and stanodrol are both discontinued. I cant think if anyone else who makes one
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    Who makes a androsterone product besides primordial? D-Plex and stanodrol are both discontinued. I cant think if anyone else who makes one
    AMS, Finaflex, Iron Mag Labs, shall I continue?
    If my direct and cynical approach bothers you, just ignore it. I'm just saying what you need to hear ;).

  17. Quote Originally Posted by oufinny View Post
    AMS, Finaflex, Iron Mag Labs, shall I continue?
    This thread is about bringing back MMv2 right? So by androsterone we are talking about the isomer 3-beta-hydroxyetioallocholan-17-one correct? I know it gets confusing using the term androsterone with all these companies using the term 1-androsterone so I wont use it anymore.

    Do any of the companies you listed make a 3-beta-hydroxyetioallocholan-17-one product? Or even a 3 alpha isomer of it? Their androsterone products or 1-andro as they call it are 1-Dehydroepiandrosterone or 1-Androstene-3b-ol, 17-one (AKA 1-DHEA). The 3 beta (MMv2/stanodrol/androhard) and 3 alpha (MMv3) isomers of androsterone convert to DHT. 1-Androstene-3b-ol, 17-one is said to convert to 1-test.

    So 1-androsterone does not equal androsterone. At least this is my understanding of it since they convert differently, 3-beta-hydroxyetioallocholan-17-one converts more to DHT and 1- Androstene-3b-ol, 17-one should convert to 1-testosterone.

    Again this is my understanding of it and I could be wrong but as far as I know there are no other companies that are currently making any if those isimers besides primordials androhard.
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    This thread is about bringing back MMv2 right? So by androsterone we are talking about the isomer 3-beta-hydroxyetioallocholan-17-one correct? I know it gets confusing using the term androsterone with all these companies using the term 1-androsterone so I wont use it anymore.

    Do any of the companies you listed make a 3-beta-hydroxyetioallocholan-17-one product? Or even a 3 alpha isomer of it? Their androsterone products or 1-andro as they call it are 1-Dehydroepiandrosterone or 1-Androstene-3b-ol, 17-one (AKA 1-DHEA). The 3 beta (MMv2/stanodrol/androhard) and 3 alpha (MMv3) isomers of androsterone convert to DHT. 1-Androstene-3b-ol, 17-one is said to convert to 1-test.

    So 1-androsterone does not equal androsterone. At least this is my understanding of it since they convert differently, 3-beta-hydroxyetioallocholan-17-one converts more to DHT and 1- Androstene-3b-ol, 17-one should convert to 1-testosterone.

    Again this is my understanding of it and I could be wrong but as far as I know there are no other companies that are currently making any if those isimers besides primordials androhard.
    The AMS product is very similar to PP, it may be a different isomer though. I know that PP went back to both the alpha and beta isomer because both have certain benefits. I want it to be great, I heard it was, times have changed though with the androseries now and some of the other options from AMS and a select few others. The kicker is people got wise after PP let everyone know how much you are really getting from the active which makes it hard for a company to just put out the same ol same ol and be taken seriously.
    If my direct and cynical approach bothers you, just ignore it. I'm just saying what you need to hear ;).

  19. If we had something along the lines of Stanodrol and MMv2 I'd be more than happy its one of my favorite products

  20. Quote Originally Posted by oufinny View Post
    The AMS product is very similar to PP, it may be a different isomer though. I know that PP went back to both the alpha and beta isomer because both have certain benefits. I want it to be great, I heard it was, times have changed though with the androseries now and some of the other options from AMS and a select few others. The kicker is people got wise after PP let everyone know how much you are really getting from the active which makes it hard for a company to just put out the same ol same ol and be taken seriously.
    Huh?

    Your saying AMS 1-andro is similar to PPs androhard?

    Quote Originally Posted by PrepNwa23 View Post
    If we had something along the lines of Stanodrol and MMv2 I'd be more than happy its one of my favorite products
    YES!

    But I would prefer a oral capsule product over sublingual liquid.. Maybe its just me
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    Huh?

    Your saying AMS 1-andro is similar to PPs androhard?
    I think thats 1-Alpha by AMS its 3-beta-hydroxy-androstan-17-one

  22. Quote Originally Posted by PrepNwa23 View Post
    I think thats 1-Alpha by AMS its 3-beta-hydroxy-androstan-17-one
    Ohhh I see now.

    I didnt know 1-alpha existed!

    How the hell did I miss this? LOL..

    When did AMS release this? I only knew about decavol, 1ad and 4ad from AMS. Is this 1-alpha a new product from them?
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  23. I don't have much of a dog in this fight as chem stuff is a bit out of my realm of knowledge. But 2 things:

    First, PP is producing information to support their claim. It's like a supplement company sponsoring a clinical trial... how much can we actually trust. I'm not saying that PP is lying, i am just offering that up for thought. The same can be said with anything we (LG) say regarding our improved bioavailability.

    Second, PP's series run $100+, while we offer products for 30 dollars roughly.

    Food for thought.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    Ohhh I see now.

    I didnt know 1-alpha existed!

    How the hell did I miss this? LOL..

    When did AMS release this? I only knew about decavol, 1ad and 4ad from AMS. Is this 1-alpha a new product from them?
    http://www.advancedmusclescience.com...capsules/#nogo

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Rhadam View Post
    I don't have much of a dog in this fight as chem stuff is a bit out of my realm of knowledge.
    what fight?

    And you absolutely would "have a dog in it" (if there was one) as this is about LGs product and your a LG rep.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhadam View Post
    But 2 things:

    First, PP is producing information to support their claim. It's like a supplement company sponsoring a clinical trial... how much can we actually trust. I'm not saying that PP is lying, i am just offering that up for thought.
    Not with their specific androseries products but there is a fair amount on the self emulsifying drug delivery system (AKA liquidvade). It isnt much of a stretch to think a hormone in liquidvade would have better absorbability then a capped hormone. Although I will admit superiority with regard to Liquidvade vs sublingual (with the HPB-Cycldextrin) is questionable and debatable as the evidence for both arent really concrete.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhadam View Post
    The same can be said with anything we (LG) say regarding our improved bioavailability.
    I was JUST about to ask this

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhadam View Post
    Second, PP's series run $100+, while we offer products for 30 dollars roughly.

    Food for thought.
    But how many bottles would you need to equal the dose of the androseries. That is the question being asked. If LG wants to bring back MMv2 then androhard and 1-alpha will be their competitors and LG has to show how much absorbability their version will have so then we can compare it in price per serving (based upon the absorbability) and not per bottle. But then again all the claims, like you said will be from the manufacture. I guess it will boil down to HPB-Cycldextrin vs. liquidvade

    Yea I saw that after you posted. Is this a new product from AMS?
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