PEG MGF semi-log

pumbertot · 04-09-2008, 01:13 AM

sorry to hear of your poor results but its what ive seen before. you need at least 500mcg twice weekly to see gains with peg. havent used peg myself but im getting great results from regular MGF, IGF-1, rHGH + insulin. no steroids at all, been off them for 3 years. already gained 3kg and lost 1.5-2% bodyfat in past 3-4 weeks so I would say its an awesome combo.

babyblu · 04-09-2008, 08:48 AM

Comacho,

I understand what you are saying but lets put this into perspective. Peptides are LONG TERM. LONG TERM results. Now igf does create for some people some quick results but for the most part, its long term. MGF is in my opinion strictly long term. Hell even great gh takes a minimum of 5-6 months to really get optimal results.

The effectiveness of peptides should be judged 5-6 months AFTER you ran them. That is when the new muscle tissue created by the peptides, starts to thicken and also get longer, making it noticeable.

Just be patient. Rome wasnt built overnight either.

bb

babyblu · 04-09-2008, 08:49 AM

Pumbertot are you using the blast cycle methodology? I would recommend it if you arent. Best way to combine those peptides IMO. I know from personal experience

bb

comacho · 04-09-2008, 09:19 AM

thanks for the inputs fellas,

bb, i knew that it would be long term but maybe i thought 2 months would be good enough from others posts from various places (maybe they were biased for a good reason) so i had to find out myself LOL

all i was saying is that 250mcg twice a week is dissappointing that is all, for others if someone decides to try what i did, bump it up.

i got some more left to play with so im excited to start out high soon.

babyblu · 04-09-2008, 12:04 PM

yes i recommend at least 500mics 3x per week.

bb

Distilled Water · 04-09-2008, 08:48 PM

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yes i recommend at least 500mics 3x per week.

bb

What time of day would you reccomend? Also, In your opinion/experience, should one pin on trainning days of lagging parts or doesn't it matter

isoc · 04-10-2008, 06:18 AM

Camacho, 500 total mcg per week is too low with this, minimum would be 1 mg/week, and as BB said 1.5 to even 2 mgs per week would be even better. This also takes a little longer to kick in, I started to see recomp changes, and pumps in the third week, and still going strong in week 6 now. The 500 mcg per week theory I think has given peg mgf a bad reputation as few have gotten results from this, but IMHO it is better than IGF, just takes a little longer to kick in and be run at proper dosage. I read from a respected vet to take at night with a protein shake and that is what I have been doing, Monday through Friday, evenly splitting the total weekly dosage. I have been using with a low carb diet (something that would not be advisable with IGF) and have made good progress in the last 6 weeks, great pumps, vascularity, fat loss, hardening, and am not stacking with anything. I have only done 3 runs of IGF in the past and this is the best peptide research I have done.

pumbertot · 04-10-2008, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by isoc

Camacho, 500 total mcg per week is too low with this, minimum would be 1 mg/week, and as BB said 1.5 to even 2 mgs per week would be even better. This also takes a little longer to kick in, I started to see recomp changes, and pumps in the third week, and still going strong in week 6 now. The 500 mcg per week theory I think has given peg mgf a bad reputation as few have gotten results from this, but IMHO it is better than IGF, just takes a little longer to kick in and be run at proper dosage. I read from a respected vet to take at night with a protein shake and that is what I have been doing, Monday through Friday, evenly splitting the total weekly dosage. I have been using with a low carb diet (something that would not be advisable with IGF) and have made good progress in the last 6 weeks, great pumps, vascularity, fat loss, hardening, and am not stacking with anything. I have only done 3 runs of IGF in the past and this is the best peptide research I have done.

i wouldnt say its better than IGF but its different. the 2 together are awesome. I feel like being on AAS, bigger, stronger and more ripped. when I finally add AAS to the mix towards the end of this year I can only imagine how big I will get.

isoc · 04-10-2008, 07:03 AM

have not used the two in combination, but have heard it works well. And I have also heard where running pmgf then igf for a few weeks works good too. I cant wait till hormone time either. There was a thread about priming for a cycle with Pudzian and DatBTrue I found interesting. It focused alot on diet, but I think these peptides are a great addition to that. These short term gains are nice, but the real reason for their use is to hopefully gain some new muscle cells, which in theory should make successive anabolic cycles more effective. I have about another month of pmgf and will be increasing my weekly dose to 1.5 mgs soon, then throw some hormonals into the mix. Not sure on how long new cells take to mature and grow, but I surely some anabolics should speed the process.

pumbertot · 04-10-2008, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by isoc

have not used the two in combination, but have heard it works well. And I have also heard where running pmgf then igf for a few weeks works good too. I cant wait till hormone time either. There was a thread about priming for a cycle with Pudzian and DatBTrue I found interesting. It focused alot on diet, but I think these peptides are a great addition to that. These short term gains are nice, but the real reason for their use is to hopefully gain some new muscle cells, which in theory should make successive anabolic cycles more effective. I have about another month of pmgf and will be increasing my weekly dose to 1.5 mgs soon, then throw some hormonals into the mix. Not sure on how long new cells take to mature and grow, but I surely some anabolics should speed the process.

yes AAS will certainly speed up the maturation process. thats the exciting thing for me about the igf and mgf, then loneg term results should be awesome. in fact my short term results are pretty damned good too. I just cant wait, having been off AAS for 3 years the agins should be very satisfying.

isoc · 04-10-2008, 07:47 AM

I'm with ya Pumbertot, this has been the best non-hormonal cycle I have ever done as far as body composition goes. As long as they are available and I can afford them I will run peptides between hormonals. You do get good short term results and there is anectdotal evidence that they do make a difference your next cycle. What I am finding that is interesting is that mgf and igf usage seems to be following closer to the protocal of hgh. We have found HGH use to be best over longer periods with moderate dose and now we hear of many successful IGF runs at lower dosage and longer durations than originally thought, like Palumbo's theory and DatBTrue does something like that as well. Even with the Mon-Fri shots for the last almost 6 weeks, I have found no decrease in effectiveness with PMGF, and actually is getting better the longer I go, although I do increase the dose every couple weeks.

comacho · 04-10-2008, 08:32 PM

isoc,

so i heard PEG MGF's 1/2 life is 48 hours, would it matter if i shoot eod? evenly split?

good to know that PEG MGF's effectiveness is not decreasing unlike high dose igf cycles

alright maybe i will hit up some left over PH's for two weeks then hit 1mg/wk PEG MGF...hmmm

pumbertot · 04-11-2008, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by comacho

isoc,

so i heard PEG MGF's 1/2 life is 48 hours, would it matter if i shoot eod? evenly split?

good to know that PEG MGF's effectiveness is not decreasing unlike high dose igf cycles

alright maybe i will hit up some left over PH's for two weeks then hit 1mg/wk PEG MGF...hmmm

make that 2mg/wk and you are getting somehwere. I think EOD will work but there will also be quicker receptor downregulation with hitting so regularly. still I think you will see results and it prob wont level out until 7-8 weeks in. of course the results will continue because those cells will mature etc but the MGF itself prob wont help pool any more cells until you take a break from it.

isoc · 04-11-2008, 06:15 AM

2 mgs per week seems like the optimal dose right now from what I have read. I started at 1mg which appears to be the minimum and have been increasing from there. EOD shots are fine, and I think even just 3x's per week would work well and 8-10 weeks I think is a good length of time. Finally we are starting to get some decent protocals nailed down with this compound. I am going a little longer run and more frequent shots to experiment a little. Next time will be using the same total mgs, but 8 weeks instead of 10, so a little higher avg dose and will switch the pinning schedule. Pumbertot, do you think downregulation is a product of number of doses per week as well as amount? Also, to combat the downregulation I have been increasing the dosage slightly, basically pyramiding up, seems to be working as recomp is more noticeable now (week6) than week 3 or 4. Any scientific evidence that backs this?

pumbertot · 04-11-2008, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by isoc

2 mgs per week seems like the optimal dose right now from what I have read. I started at 1mg which appears to be the minimum and have been increasing from there. EOD shots are fine, and I think even just 3x's per week would work well and 8-10 weeks I think is a good length of time. Finally we are starting to get some decent protocals nailed down with this compound. I am going a little longer run and more frequent shots to experiment a little. Next time will be using the same total mgs, but 8 weeks instead of 10, so a little higher avg dose and will switch the pinning schedule. Pumbertot, do you think downregulation is a product of number of doses per week as well as amount? Also, to combat the downregulation I have been increasing the dosage slightly, basically pyramiding up, seems to be working as recomp is more noticeable now (week6) than week 3 or 4. Any scientific evidence that backs this?

yes I do think downregulation is a product of number of doses per week as well as amount as I believe it happens when saturation of the receptors is reached so this would rely on both dosage size and frequency. there is no scientific evidence just that which we all see ourselves. at a certain point you will just not make any new gains from the peptide and thats the time to come off. maybe go onto HGH+insulin if you arent already using them or igf or even CJC and gdf-8 antibody.

isoc · 04-11-2008, 06:51 AM

Thanks for the info Pumbertot, starting next week will switch to Mon-Wed-Fri pinning schedule and up to 1.5 mgs per week and run that for a few more weeks. Havent used any of the other peptides you mentioned but IGFLR3, good stuff, just didnt like the hypo feeling I got from it.

pumbertot · 04-11-2008, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by isoc

Thanks for the info Pumbertot, starting next week will switch to Mon-Wed-Fri pinning schedule and up to 1.5 mgs per week and run that for a few more weeks. Havent used any of the other peptides you mentioned but IGFLR3, good stuff, just didnt like the hypo feeling I got from it.

no worries mate. i find that at 50mcgs I dont get that hypo feeling. I have about 100grams maltodextrin in my workout drink and 100grams with my 100g WPI directly after as well as 10iu Actrapid insulin and not any sign of hypo.
i.e. if carbs are high enough you will not feel it from IGF.

good luck, hope you gain many new muscle fibres.