PEG MGF semi-log

[comacho]

from what i have read igflr3 in AA is ok in room temp for a year or so

PEG MGF is good reconstituted in BW and stored in the fridge for a year

those are from what ive read, if PEG MGF only lasted 10 days, then this thread must have ended after day 10.

Pistonpump, still going strong, im about to change my workout routine, so im hoping for some more growth. one more month at 500mcg a week.

definite physique change but it doenst really get you ripped (very minor very slow), but you grow though definintely (more noticeable than fat loss) and faster recovery vice versa. good stuff and fun.

 

[agent8]

from what i have read igflr3 in AA is ok in room temp for a year or so

PEG MGF is good reconstituted in BW and stored in the fridge for a year

those are from what ive read, if PEG MGF only lasted 10 days, then this thread must have ended after day 10.

Pistonpump, still going strong, im about to change my workout routine, so im hoping for some more growth. one more month at 500mcg a week.

definite physique change but it doenst really get you ripped (very minor very slow), but you grow though definintely (more noticeable than fat loss) and faster recovery vice versa. good stuff and fun.

Ok, the manufacture said if PEG-MGF is refrigerated it will keep fora half year is with no problem.

 

[Don Corleone]

from what i have read igflr3 in AA is ok in room temp for a year or so

PEG MGF is good reconstituted in BW and stored in the fridge for a year

those are from what ive read, if PEG MGF only lasted 10 days, then this thread must have ended after day 10.

Pistonpump, still going strong, im about to change my workout routine, so im hoping for some more growth. one more month at 500mcg a week.

definite physique change but it doenst really get you ripped (very minor very slow), but you grow though definintely (more noticeable than fat loss) and faster recovery vice versa. good stuff and fun.

So Peg-MGF in BW, not NaCL...conflicting thoughts everywhere...argh. LOL

 

[pistonpump]

what routine you gonna do or how are you gonna change it. I like the article i read that datbtrue posted. basically ending with really high rep work. its been making me get some DOMS again.

 

[djbombsquad]

now the moment of truth. Pictures please.

 

[Samson4]

Looks like I'm in the clear then.

Comacho, are you noticing any local growth?

 

[comacho]

agent8, good info thanks for asking them for us.

piston, im going to try t-mag's SOB training, i havent done all body training for awhile, i actually started today,,,so beat. So is that datbtrue article about Maximum Stimulation? or did i read that somewhere else. sounds sexual LOL, anyways, i sort of read it and applied it to SOB training. For example, i had to do 2 sets of 30 today and i actually used heavier weight that i could do 5s or 10s and rested 5 to 10 sec in between whenever i felt the burn completely racking the weight each time, until i finished my set. not sure if i did it right but im going to try this for a few weeks.

djbomb, ahhaha i promise pics, i have 3 more months on PEG MGF remember? i told you guys it will be a long one. lol

samson, no local growth,,,well if it did, i cant tell, ive been shooting sub q sometimes but mostly in my outer quads, all body parts grew but quads dont look exaggerated at all so i guess no local growth. by the way long time users have said local growth is just a myth.

non related, but just got conan the barbarian soundtrack which is better than any peptides or high androgen gears

 

[djbombsquad]

I have been on it 2 weeks my self. Im trying to shoot for 4 months-6 months my self with ghrp6 so Id love to see more before and after pictures.

 

[comacho]

okay this is after 1 month,,,sorry i didnt take the true before pics.

we will call this before pics then, because i have three more months left.

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii296/mgf_log/009.jpg

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii296/mgf_log/006.jpg

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii296/mgf_log/003.jpg

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii296/mgf_log/001.jpg

disclaimer; i never said i was big nor ripped LOL

 

[3clipseGT]

okay this is after 1 month,,,sorry i didnt take the true before pics.

we will call this before pics then, because i have three more months left.

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii296/mgf_log/009.jpg

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii296/mgf_log/006.jpg

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii296/mgf_log/003.jpg

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii296/mgf_log/001.jpg

disclaimer; i never said i was big nor ripped LOL

Definately a very aesthetic body bro! Do you beleive PegMGF has added a couple lean lbs? 2 or 3? Lost some fat? Ur already pretty lean though.

 

[djbombsquad]

Looking good so far.

 

[comacho]

thanks for the kind words fellas, definitely motivating

3clipse, i think there was a trade off between fat and LBM, where my weight stayed the same this whole month but body transformation took place. Not only that I have gotten stronger on the lifts, its fun. i thought it was minimal however my buddy (like i told in the previous posts) saw me after 2wks into it and he was quite impressed about the transformation.

it feels like a great recovery agent that you put on slow lean tissue thereby reducing bf at the same time.

not mind blowing but i like this better than AAS. no sides, no PCT crash. Well i guess i wil find out if there is any crash related to MGF though. I have never heard of any crash nor loss of gains related to MGF but I will definitely log it here.

to recap, one more month at 500mcg per wk then maybe 2 wks off with epistane leftover then jump on 2 more months of PEG MGF at 1mg per wk. All with 10mcg of igf two times a week throughout.

 

[comacho]

switching back to lifting one body part one time per week and blasting it

i think that SOB training made me weaker,

also starting last week, im very very tired and sleepy, i dont understand i heard igf can do that, but i have started that way before last week, why now

i hope lethargy doesnt mess with my training.

and decided to keep the diet the same instead of cycling carbs on off days. Shooting for 300-400g of carbs, 240g protein, 90g of fat per day

but still debating whether i should follow MGF 24-36 hours prior working out or bedtime after working out. IGF will be done PWO always.

 

[3clipseGT]

Im using PMGF and IGF as well and have been lethargic as **** it seems. Im not sure why it causes this but it atleast lets us know that its legit stuff. I plan on getting 4mgs of PMGF with my income tax. Do you feel 1mg a week is significantly better then 500mcgs?

Great log btw bro!

 

[CryingEmo]

Im using PMGF and IGF as well and have been lethargic as **** it seems. Im not sure why it causes this but it atleast lets us know that its legit stuff. I plan on getting 4mgs of PMGF with my income tax. Do you feel 1mg a week is significantly better then 500mcgs?

Great log btw bro!

How do you plan to run 4mg for 4 weeks when it only lasts 10 days in BW or NaCL? Although I've heard you can freeze it right away and maybe have it last a bit longer.

 

[babyblu]

Emo there was a thread on here somewhere where a chinese manufacturer said pegMGF should be fine for about 3 months reconstituted + refridgerated.

I dont know which thread tho.

bb

 

[CryingEmo]

Emo there was a thread on here somewhere where a chinese manufacturer said pegMGF should be fine for about 3 months reconstituted + refridgerated.

I dont know which thread tho.

bb

Either in BW or NaCL?

 

[babyblu]

I dont know. I always use BW.

bb

 

[comacho]

Im using PMGF and IGF as well and have been lethargic as **** it seems. Im not sure why it causes this but it atleast lets us know that its legit stuff. I plan on getting 4mgs of PMGF with my income tax. Do you feel 1mg a week is significantly better then 500mcgs?

Great log btw bro!

thanks,
from what i have read 1mg or more should yield better result, but im doing the poor man's approach, lol

yeah income tax got me a few more bottles of PEG MGF too haha

now i wonder if i bump up to 1mg should i dose 250mcg more often or just do 500mcg twice a week....hmmmm.

 

[agent8]

I dont know. I always use BW.

bb

I use 50% BW:50% B-complex. What is your dosing schedual, once, twice, several times a week; morning, PWO, or bedtime. You said you like the conveniece of SC inj. over multi-site IM. I found I can't sleep if taken after 6pm or maybe its the Winny/VAR transidermal I'm using:head:.

 

[babyblu]

My dosing is about 3-4x per week, 500mic minimum, sometimes subQ, sometimes IM, right now Im leaning back towards IM. Var/Winny transdermal? Didnt know their molecular weight was right for TD?

bb

 

[agent8]

My dosing is about 3-4x per week, 500mic minimum, sometimes subQ, sometimes IM, right now Im leaning back towards IM. Var/Winny transdermal? Didnt know their molecular weight was right for TD?

bb

Any MW below test enan is ok from what what phlojel tech support told me (I converted from daltons to MW). I know it has a poor bioavaliability (but doesn't give me acne IM or TD) but I used 99% dmso to wet powder and to thin TD down to flow through a 5ml oral syringe. I use 100mg var/150mg winny/1.5cc TD. It feels like 30% is getting into the bloodstream. Even at 1mg/wk would you sugest no less than 500mcg min or is 280mcg EOD ok. Another thing when do you preffer dosing morning or PWO.

 

[comacho]

do people get better results from shooting PEG MGF more often or whats the reason people say twice a week?

i know naturally MGF is created from IGF gene after muscle trauma then gradually goes down after a few days.

i have talked to bb about shooting regimen but i decided igf PWO in the morning and MGF at night, twice a week, we will see how that goes

 

[agent8]

What would be the longest possiable effective cycle? 3, 4, 6, 12, 24 months and how long of a break between cycles? I need proffessional advice!

Ok! bb said," you could use an indefinite cycle of PMGF". So, I'm going to take 1mg/wk for 52 weeks with CJC at 2mg/wk for first 26 weeks, then 1mg/wk for next 26 weeks. I hope that will stick with me for a while???:wtf:

 

[pistonpump]

to bad there arent too many professionals on this stuff out there.

does anyone happen to know why synthetic mgf was produced anyway? is there any medical reason?

 

[agent8]

Emo there was a thread on here somewhere where a chinese manufacturer said pegMGF should be fine for about 3 months reconstituted + refridgerated.

I dont know which thread tho.

bb

My chinesse manufacture said it would be good for every bit of 6 months reconstituted and refrigerated.

 

[comacho]

okay a little change in shooting regimen from now on

shooting 2x a week, everytime 10mcg of igf PWO in the morning, and 250mcg in the evening.

igf will be shot in delts on upperbody day (anything; back, chest, or arms days) and quads shot on leg days (ham or quads).

i cant do site injects, i hate that sht, plus my dlets and quads are weak parts.

changed to morning workouts, waking up at 5am sucks

 

[djbombsquad]

I persoanlly am going to try 4-6 months or till my money runs out lol. Keep it up.

 

[agent8]

I'm doing 280mcg EOD and willl incresase to 500mcg 3x weeks soon for the remainder of 26 weeks.

 

[Distilled Water]

So you guys usually shoot pegMGF in the evenings, correct?

 

[djbombsquad]

I do it right after a work out with my protein shake. than 1 hour later ghrp6.

 

[Distilled Water]

Gotcha, thanks

What about 1st thing in the morning, any good?

 

[djbombsquad]

Iv been reading that right after the work out when you tear the most amount of tissue would be optimal not only that enless you take it with protein non of the peptides are any good so enless you plain to consume a of of protein 1st thing when you wake up Id re think.

 

[comacho]

Grunt said PEG MGF has 1/2 life of 48 hours. so think about that as well. so eating protein or lifting prior or after shooting can vary with your programs.

it will be interesting to see everyone's results with different timing points.

there are still mixed 'proven' methods around, time will tell with more experiments.




on my 'shoot' days, i like so much fuller and bigger at the end of the day since i lift in the morning and i get in 6-7 meals afterwards, i guess its the glycogen making me look bigger and fuller. and next morning i dont look the same. lol. however looks like im still making small gains, my arms and delts look a little bigger, so hopefully in 2 weeks i will post pics again and there will be some difference.

 

[agent8]

I like to use in the morning several hours before workout. When I take at night I can't sleep at all.

 

[agent8]

What if on the days you work legs you inject your penis?:rofl:

 

[djbombsquad]

humm more comments are needed on the last post.

 

[comacho]

agent8 how about you inject your D after bone session aka PWO LOL



okay, no big updates, feel about the same minor gains (reps up and so on), Thursday i shot igf and one shoulder had a minor reaction. no pain, just swollen, redness around site injection. nothing on the other shoulder. Maybe i ended up shooting those dust particles i see in my IGF.

then next day i got allergic reaction around my hands and my face, minor but could have been bad, it didnt look like my regular hand eczema it was more of allergic reaction. Not sure what it was from.

the lethargy has gone, but since im lifting in the morning, im tired and workout hasn't been the same and i cant take stims either. I have started taking anti-cort supps.

ordered some forskolin and clout from CNW. I hope they work with my peps synergistically. has anyone tried forskolin powder from CNW??

the drastic improvement i got from the first month i wonder if it was due to my body reacting to peps after PCT or was it from Drive and Size On? whaaat?

i think two more weeks my vial of PEG MGF will be done, then i might take some sort of AAS/PH for a month then start PEG MGF again. maybe S4 if i can get some instead of AAS/PH.

changed my workout program again to accomadate my morning sessions. i am following HSS-100 for back from T-mag

I will still be administering 10mcg igf PWO and 250mcg of PEG MGF 12 hours later. twice a week.

 

[pumbertot]

do people get better results from shooting PEG MGF more often or whats the reason people say twice a week?

i know naturally MGF is created from IGF gene after muscle trauma then gradually goes down after a few days.

i have talked to bb about shooting regimen but i decided igf PWO in the morning and MGF at night, twice a week, we will see how that goes

its all hearsay of course but ive read of better results from shooting the non-peg mgf more often, trying to mimmick the body's own times of production.

 

[comacho]

so i got done with PEG MGF (500mcg/wk cycle) maybe two weeks ago?

i look the same, weight is around 190-192

some pics but taken under a different lighting to give out more shades LOL im cheating.

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii296/mgf_log/024.jpg
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii296/mgf_log/023.jpg
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii296/mgf_log/022.jpg
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii296/mgf_log/019.jpg
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii296/mgf_log/018.jpg
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii296/mgf_log/017.jpg
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii296/mgf_log/016.jpg


i think it was a waste of 85 bucks to be really honest. i mean, even without thinking about the price, injecting some peptides and risking whatever consequences and i got maybe a little better recovery and feeling a bit more pumped. i think i can get that from eating.

i really think the dosage was TOO low, my diet was kept about the same. 10mcg of IGF1LR3 was added PWO twice aweek. Other than that nothing was altered too much throughout.

i am two weeks into Clout, citrulline malate, forskolin and 7-oxo-dhea and having more fun and seeing more with them than PEG MGF first round. I also think the first month of the log i made gains from size on and Drive while on PEG MGF, so its either synergistic or i just got nothing out of MGF afterwards becaue it wasnt as dramatic compared to the first month.

im hoping to see more next round (in two weeks) when i bump up the doage to 500mcg twice a week for two months

if that doesnt work i guess i will bump up to 1.5mg/wk for two months after that.

not too impressed at the dosage of 250 twice a week.

also my shoot protocol was different than others and some other popular way of shooting, but even if i followed someone else's suggestion it wouldnt have made a huge difference at this dosage. just my thought.

 

[pumbertot]

sorry to hear of your poor results but its what ive seen before. you need at least 500mcg twice weekly to see gains with peg. havent used peg myself but im getting great results from regular MGF, IGF-1, rHGH + insulin. no steroids at all, been off them for 3 years. already gained 3kg and lost 1.5-2% bodyfat in past 3-4 weeks so I would say its an awesome combo.

 

[babyblu]

Comacho,

I understand what you are saying but lets put this into perspective. Peptides are LONG TERM. LONG TERM results. Now igf does create for some people some quick results but for the most part, its long term. MGF is in my opinion strictly long term. Hell even great gh takes a minimum of 5-6 months to really get optimal results.

The effectiveness of peptides should be judged 5-6 months AFTER you ran them. That is when the new muscle tissue created by the peptides, starts to thicken and also get longer, making it noticeable.

Just be patient. Rome wasnt built overnight either.

bb

 

[babyblu]

Pumbertot are you using the blast cycle methodology? I would recommend it if you arent. Best way to combine those peptides IMO. I know from personal experience

bb

 

[comacho]

thanks for the inputs fellas,

bb, i knew that it would be long term but maybe i thought 2 months would be good enough from others posts from various places (maybe they were biased for a good reason) so i had to find out myself LOL

all i was saying is that 250mcg twice a week is dissappointing that is all, for others if someone decides to try what i did, bump it up.

i got some more left to play with so im excited to start out high soon.

 

[babyblu]

yes i recommend at least 500mics 3x per week.

bb

 

[Distilled Water]

yes i recommend at least 500mics 3x per week.

bb

What time of day would you reccomend? Also, In your opinion/experience, should one pin on trainning days of lagging parts or doesn't it matter

 

[isoc]

Camacho, 500 total mcg per week is too low with this, minimum would be 1 mg/week, and as BB said 1.5 to even 2 mgs per week would be even better. This also takes a little longer to kick in, I started to see recomp changes, and pumps in the third week, and still going strong in week 6 now. The 500 mcg per week theory I think has given peg mgf a bad reputation as few have gotten results from this, but IMHO it is better than IGF, just takes a little longer to kick in and be run at proper dosage. I read from a respected vet to take at night with a protein shake and that is what I have been doing, Monday through Friday, evenly splitting the total weekly dosage. I have been using with a low carb diet (something that would not be advisable with IGF) and have made good progress in the last 6 weeks, great pumps, vascularity, fat loss, hardening, and am not stacking with anything. I have only done 3 runs of IGF in the past and this is the best peptide research I have done.

 

[pumbertot]

Camacho, 500 total mcg per week is too low with this, minimum would be 1 mg/week, and as BB said 1.5 to even 2 mgs per week would be even better. This also takes a little longer to kick in, I started to see recomp changes, and pumps in the third week, and still going strong in week 6 now. The 500 mcg per week theory I think has given peg mgf a bad reputation as few have gotten results from this, but IMHO it is better than IGF, just takes a little longer to kick in and be run at proper dosage. I read from a respected vet to take at night with a protein shake and that is what I have been doing, Monday through Friday, evenly splitting the total weekly dosage. I have been using with a low carb diet (something that would not be advisable with IGF) and have made good progress in the last 6 weeks, great pumps, vascularity, fat loss, hardening, and am not stacking with anything. I have only done 3 runs of IGF in the past and this is the best peptide research I have done.

i wouldnt say its better than IGF but its different. the 2 together are awesome. I feel like being on AAS, bigger, stronger and more ripped. when I finally add AAS to the mix towards the end of this year I can only imagine how big I will get.:head:

 

[isoc]

have not used the two in combination, but have heard it works well. And I have also heard where running pmgf then igf for a few weeks works good too. I cant wait till hormone time either. There was a thread about priming for a cycle with Pudzian and DatBTrue I found interesting. It focused alot on diet, but I think these peptides are a great addition to that. These short term gains are nice, but the real reason for their use is to hopefully gain some new muscle cells, which in theory should make successive anabolic cycles more effective. I have about another month of pmgf and will be increasing my weekly dose to 1.5 mgs soon, then throw some hormonals into the mix. Not sure on how long new cells take to mature and grow, but I surely some anabolics should speed the process.

 

[pumbertot]

have not used the two in combination, but have heard it works well. And I have also heard where running pmgf then igf for a few weeks works good too. I cant wait till hormone time either. There was a thread about priming for a cycle with Pudzian and DatBTrue I found interesting. It focused alot on diet, but I think these peptides are a great addition to that. These short term gains are nice, but the real reason for their use is to hopefully gain some new muscle cells, which in theory should make successive anabolic cycles more effective. I have about another month of pmgf and will be increasing my weekly dose to 1.5 mgs soon, then throw some hormonals into the mix. Not sure on how long new cells take to mature and grow, but I surely some anabolics should speed the process.

yes AAS will certainly speed up the maturation process. thats the exciting thing for me about the igf and mgf, then loneg term results should be awesome. in fact my short term results are pretty damned good too. I just cant wait, having been off AAS for 3 years the agins should be very satisfying.