Epistane doesn't work !!

[judd]

I'm on my 17th day at 30 mg per day and i feel nothing !
Actually the only things i'm having are : libido slightly up and a little of lethargy, that's all !!
I'm very angry and disapointed for it, because i bought 2 bottles for a 5 weeks cycle and it's a complete waste !

[judd]

Sorry, i forgot to say i'm losing strenght and some headache, i think for bp..
I'm not bulking, i'm after a recomposition, so my calories are slightly lower than normal..

[reptone]

Epi takes about 3 weeks to feel. You are either lacking in the nutrition or sleep department. Or possibly a non responder. As far as headache/BP, get some Hawthorne berry or one of the many Cycle Assist supps out there(I like CEL Cycle Assist and Purus Organ Shield).

[GeekPoop]

up the dose than?

[Mick81]

30mg? Seems low to me, I thought epi was better up around the 50-60mg mark. 3rd week is definately where it kicks in tho.

Also up water intake to ease the headaches....

[deadaim]

Its more likely you suck than the epistane sucking...

But also I have heard that some people simply do not respond to epistane.

[judd]

Thanks guys for your replies..
Yes, for bp i'm taking cycle support already and drinking lot of water..
I will up the dose to 40 next week..
Rest is ok, diet is slightly below maintenance because i'm after a recomposition.. Lot of proteins less carbs, and good fats..
Let see next days..
I heard bad reviews on IBE epistane last days..
:-(

[judd]

Its more likely you suck than the epistane sucking...

But also I have heard that some people simply do not respond to epistane.

Sorry mate, but when i was 160 lb as you are ( long time ago ) i not even knew the prohormones existed..
I was more concentrated on eating and pushing..

[M16]

Can you provide me with links to these reviews ???,,,IBE Epistane sells out everywhere very fast{Everyone knows this}...Sooo it's obviously a good product otherwise it would not keep selling out time and time again.

Remember when doing a recomp your calories are below maintenance so recovery and strength can still be an issue even with Epistane...The Epistanes main purpose during this phase is to help retain as much muscle tissue as possible, while stripping away unwanted bodyfat.

Thanks guys for your replies..
Yes, for bp i'm taking cycle support already and drinking lot of water..
I will up the dose to 40 next week..
Rest is ok, diet is slightly below maintenance because i'm after a recomposition.. Lot of proteins less carbs, and good fats..
Let see next days..
I heard bad reviews on IBE epistane last days..
:-(

[TheDarkHalf]

Yeah epi shouldn't really be ran at anything less than 40mg....my first epi cycle i ran epi for 6 weeks and finished at 60mg

[judd]

Can you provide me with links to these reviews ???,,,IBE Epistane sells out everywhere very fast{Everyone knows this}...Sooo it's obviously a good product otherwise it would not keep selling out time and time again.

Remember when doing a recomp your calories are below maintenance so recovery and strength can still be an issue even with Epistane...The Epistanes main purpose during this phase is to help retain as much muscle tissue as possible, while stripping away unwanted bodyfat.

Yes i can sir, here for example : [To be able to post links or images your post count must be 50 or greater. You currently have 4 posts]
( i hope is not against the rules )

[judd]

Sorry, i can't post links here..

[judd]

Remember when doing a recomp your calories are below maintenance so recovery and strength can still be an issue even with Epistane...The Epistanes main purpose during this phase is to help retain as much muscle tissue as possible, while stripping away unwanted bodyfat.

Anyway, this should be for a cut, for a recomposition epistane should help to add some muscle while losing some fat, otherwise recomposition doesn't make any sense..

[celc5]

30mg? Seems low to me, I thought epi was better up around the 50-60mg mark. 3rd week is definately where it kicks in tho.

Also up water intake to ease the headaches....

Agreed.

to the OP,
When epi first came out, a lot of people were afraid to run appropriate dosages and had lethargy at 20 and 30mg. The lethargy disappates at 40 and 50mg according to a lot of the IBE reps, and in my own experience.

Even though you said you're drinking a lot of water, I'd bet for sure that you're not taking in enough. Count the exact number of ounces of water per day. Your eyeballs should be floating at close to 2 gallons per day and your BP will be stay put.

Finally, I bet your strength is suffering from the lethargy. I personally see really good success with low dose caffeine on cycle. Now I wouldn't use ephedrine or yohimbe ON cycle, but like 100mg of caffeine is enough to combat lethargy without increasing BP for me. Others suggest adding DHEA ON cycle to address lethargy but I never had any results with that method.

[M16]

Pick your goal...Very few people can add muscle while in a caloric deficit...Steroids or not. Epistane would help preserve the muscle you have while losing bodyfat...If you don't believe me there are tons of competitors that will tell you the same thing.

Your either getting lean...Or gaining tissue. Most of us with normal genetics can't do both at the same time.

Anyway, this should be for a cut, for a recomposition epistane should help to add some muscle while losing some fat, otherwise recomposition doesn't make any sense..

[judd]

Pick your goal...Very few people can add muscle while in a caloric deficit...Steroids or not. Epistane would help preserve the muscle you have while losing bodyfat...If you don't believe me there are tons of competitors that will tell you the same thing.

Your either getting lean...Or gaining tissue. Most of us with normal genetics can't do both at the same time.

So, you're saying recomposition doesn't exist ?
Because i read of lot of people gaining muscle while losing fat on the forums..
I'm not getting lean and i'm not gaining tissue..
Is something wrong whit me ?!
If i knew that epistane didn't help me for a recomposition like many people say they got, surely i wouldn't buy it !!

[brownchoclit]

hey bro..when you cut you consume less than your maintenance cal's. with recomp/lean bulk you will be consuming slightly over your maintenance. if you're eating less than maintenance then don't expect much lean mass gain..as other mentioned..the ph will help you hang onto as much muscle as possible. i'd go with the recomp route..you can expect decent fat loss whilst putting on some muscle...best of both worlds. and yeah..your daily intake of epi is too little..you can afford to bump it up a bit.

[judd]

hey bro..when you cut you consume less than your maintenance cal's. with recomp/lean bulk you will be consuming slightly over your maintenance. if you're eating less than maintenance then don't expect much lean mass gain..as other mentioned..the ph will help you hang onto as much muscle as possible. i'd go with the recomp route..you can expect decent fat loss whilst putting on some muscle...best of both worlds. and yeah..your daily intake of epi is too little..you can afford to bump it up a bit.

Until now i've always heard for recomposition to keep calories slightly below maintenance, now you're saying to keep slightly above..
I think i'll follow your input mate, and also i upped the dose to 40 mg from now to all 4thy week.. let's see ( fingers crossed )
:-)

[celc5]

Unless you're using calipers or hydrostatic weighing, there's no possible way that you know if recomp is occuring anyhow.

Some people say they're gaining weight and looking leaner. But you'll never know with the "eyeball" method on cycle because a lot of us bloat on cycle even without other estrogenic symptoms.

[brownchoclit]

Until now i've always heard for recomposition to keep calories slightly below maintenance, now you're saying to keep slightly above..
I think i'll follow your input mate, and also i upped the dose to 40 mg from now to all 4thy week.. let's see ( fingers crossed )
:-)

as mentioned earlier..your're going to have a tough time putting on muscle if you're eating under maintenance. what i find is effective for me it to eat slightly over maintenance and then make the caloric deficit through cardio. yeah give it a go..you wont be disappointed..dont wait till later..make the adjustments today and start making them gainzzzz!!