Epistane doesn't work !!

[AK32408]

Everyone is absolutely right, 30mg at day 17 is way too little.

Starting with 30 or 40mg seems ok, but you have to ramp up the dosage each week to get the most out of it.

[judd]

Everyone is absolutely right, 30mg at day 17 is way too little.

Starting with 30 or 40mg seems ok, but you have to ramp up the dosage each week to get the most out of it.

Everywhere, everyone says 40 mg should be the max for a first cycle..
Atm i'm running 40 mg per day.. today is day 22 and still feeling nothing..
Actually i'm losing strenght, it could be the hot weather and higher volume i'm working out, but that's what i should do when i'm on epi..
Same weight no leaner no bigger, less strenght just a good pump ( it can be also for higher volume )..
Very disapointed till now..

[brownchoclit]

Everywhere, everyone says 40 mg should be the max for a first cycle..
Atm i'm running 40 mg per day.. today is day 22 and still feeling nothing..
Actually i'm losing strenght, it could be the hot weather and higher volume i'm working out, but that's what i should do when i'm on epi..
Same weight no leaner no bigger, less strenght just a good pump ( it can be also for higher volume )..
Very disapointed till now..

why not up the dosage? i am running 75mg's/ed now and i think i've hit a sweet spot...its finally kick in..i just started my 4th weel (out of 6wks).

[celc5]

Everywhere, everyone says 40 mg should be the max for a first cycle

No one in THIS thread seems to agree with this statement

[TheDarkHalf]

No one in THIS thread seems to agree with this statement

Maybe in the first week! I ended my first cycle at 60mg

[judd]

No one in THIS thread seems to agree with this statement

In U.K and europe people just go for 30 or 40 mg per day and they get good results, when someone ( few dudes ) says he went higher, usually the faces are as ARE YOU SERIOUS ?!?!

[brownchoclit]

i think when it comes with epi...in most forums..the average max dosage you see it run is at 40mg's.

[judd]

why not up the dosage? i am running 75mg's/ed now and i think i've hit a sweet spot...its finally kick in..i just started my 4th weel (out of 6wks).

Hi mate ! Ok i'm upping the dosage to 50 mg from today as you suggested, but just to know, how did you up your dosage to 75 mg when the caps are 10 mg each ?!

[brownchoclit]

i am using a brand called epi-strong..they come in 15mg tabs...cool eh ..you can buy it at orbit nutrition...very good value for money

[judd]

I wish !!
Unfortunately i can't buy from USA, the only one time i tried ( many years ago ) the custom stopped my pack saying i needed a prescription from my doctor, after that i had to fill a form and pay a tax..
I sent it back..
You think it was only Animal pack and the problem was the vit c dosage ( here in Italy you can't buy a supplement where the vit c is higher than 180 mg )..
I lost only the shipping fees to send it back..

I'd like to buy Alpha t-2 too..

[brownchoclit]

oh.. thats really sucks bro...

[Mick81]

Everywhere, everyone says 40 mg should be the max for a first cycle..
Atm i'm running 40 mg per day.. today is day 22 and still feeling nothing..
Actually i'm losing strenght, it could be the hot weather and higher volume i'm working out, but that's what i should do when i'm on epi..
Same weight no leaner no bigger, less strenght just a good pump ( it can be also for higher volume )..
Very disapointed till now..

You would be losing strength because you're running a calorie deficit. Even when I'm eating around 3000 cals over maintenence during a PH cycle, I lean out, and feel like I need to eat non stop to keep my strength up. PH's like Epi will have a recomp effect even at a lowish dose (40mg), with the right diet in place, but it has to be surplus.

You're body is in an anabolic state atm, but you aren't feeding it enough to grow. Wasted Epi IMO

[AK32408]

You would be losing strength because you're running a calorie deficit. Even when I'm eating around 3000 cals over maintenence during a PH cycle, I lean out, and feel like I need to eat non stop to keep my strength up. PH's like Epi will have a recomp effect even at a lowish dose (40mg), with the right diet in place, but it has to be surplus.

You're body is in an anabolic state atm, but you aren't feeding it enough to grow. Wasted Epi IMO

You got it !

You can't expect your body to grow if you're not feeding it anything for the Epistane to work with. It's not labeled as a "fat burner". Get your diet up to par and Epi at the right doses and you will see results.

You should have done more research before you started..

[judd]

You got it !

You can't expect your body to grow if you're not feeding it anything for the Epistane to work with. It's not labeled as a "fat burner". Get your diet up to par and Epi at the right doses and you will see results.

You should have done more research before you started..

Have you ever tought to the possibility that Epistane just doesn't work ( at least this lot whit me ) ?
I have researched a lot before to start and most of the people says for a first cycle don't go over 40 mg per day.. even on the IBE website for an hardcore cycle the dosage is 40 mg per day, I'M at 50 mg per day and losing strenght when i didn't take EPISTANE and worser diet I WAS still gaining strenght..
If the Epistane worked, i should have any side, but the only side i had till now are a little better libido and from last night a little of pain on my nipple..
These are facts, and YOU should have read better before saying something..
One more thing, you're an IBE rep, thank you for erase my thread from your forum after i gave you the Lot # ..

[AK32408]

Have you ever tought to the possibility that Epistane just doesn't work ( at least this lot whit me ) ?
I have researched a lot before to start and most of the people says for a first cycle don't go over 40 mg per day.. even on the IBE website for an hardcore cycle the dosage is 40 mg per day, I'M at 50 mg per day and losing strenght when i didn't take EPISTANE and worser diet I WAS still gaining strenght..
If the Epistane worked, i should have any side, but the only side i had till now are a little better libido and from last night a little of pain on my nipple..
These are facts, and YOU should have read better before saying something..
One more thing, you're an IBE rep, thank you for erase my thread from your forum after i gave you the Lot # ..

I didn't erase anything. I have no idea what you're talking about.

I said you should have done more research mainly because of you diet, or lack thereof...

Sorry Epi didn't give you the results you desired.

[judd]

I didn't erase anything. I have no idea what you're talking about.

I said you should have done more research mainly because of you diet, or lack thereof...

Sorry Epi didn't give you the results you desired.

No problem mate, it's not your fault.. Maybe Epistane doesn't work for me, or maybe is IBE epistane, anyway i have around 10 days left and i'm upping the calories a lot just to see what happens..
Epi at 50 mg.. LEt's see next days..

[brownchoclit]

good luck bro..really hope it does something...i've got two more weeks left on my epi cycle and i have to admit that the gains have been less than stelar..decent strength gains..but size wise..nothing to write home about yet. i am hoping the remaining two weeks will add a bit more lean mass...

[judd]

Today i upped the dose to 60 mg..
Review till now :
I think Epistane is a weak steroid, and need to be dosed around between 40 and 60 mg or higher ( depend on cycle's experience and sides )..
It needs higher calories to be efective so if you're after a cut or a recomposition i wouldn't waste the money and i would go at least for a lean bulk or a bulk ( but i think there are better ph or ds out there for these goals )
Sides till now :
Lost of strenght, yes sadly true :-( , small headaches ( just add water and hawthorn berry ) from yesterday light back pump, lethargy ! ( sometime bad ! )
I don't wanna insert the better libido on the sides ! ( very good week ends... )
Let's see the last 10 days at 60 mg

[M16]

Well that's you experience with it...Many, many other people say otherwise and sup companies can't keep it stocked for very long because it always sells out. Maybe your next PS/DS cycle will treat you better...I personally love Epi and it's very very close to anavar, as far as strength gains with very little sides are concerned.

[AK32408]

Today i upped the dose to 60 mg..
Review till now :
I think Epistane is a weak steroid, and need to be dosed around between 40 and 60 mg or higher ( depend on cycle's experience and sides )..
It needs higher calories to be efective so if you're after a cut or a recomposition i wouldn't waste the money and i would go at least for a lean bulk or a bulk ( but i think there are better ph or ds out there for these goals )
Sides till now :
Lost of strenght, yes sadly true :-( , small headaches ( just add water and hawthorn berry ) from yesterday light back pump, lethargy ! ( sometime bad ! )
I don't wanna insert the better libido on the sides ! ( very good week ends... )
Let's see the last 10 days at 60 mg

Epi is a pretty popular choice for many on a cut or recomp cycle actually (it retains muscle mass and strength even when calories are somewhat reduced but still above maintence). They just revamp their diet to high protein, high good fats, and a moderate daily complex carb intake.

Keep us updated on how your body reacts to a week at 60mg/day even if you still don't see a difference by the time the bottle is empty.


From reading tons of Epistane logs, I 've come to the conclusion that you really have to focus the most on your diet instead all of it on the way you train. Sure, you still have to lift very hard and get plenty of rest, but diet is what's really gonna take the PH to a whole different level.