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    Quote Originally Posted by Smitty77 View Post

    If anyone is interested, I'm currently hosting a thread on BB.com discussing different dosing times/patterns and I encouraged others to join in and share, too:
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    Tonight will be my first time trying SS v2. So basically I should do what I did for v1? Take one cap, 20 mins later take a protein shake with GlycoMyx and then head to the gym..?
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    Some Slin-Sane is on the way for me now. Excited to give it a shot. Haven't used anything like it (besides bulk Na-RALA) in a couple years since last using Anabolic Pump and P-slin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGame84 View Post
    Tonight will be my first time trying SS v2. So basically I should do what I did for v1? Take one cap, 20 mins later take a protein shake with GlycoMyx and then head to the gym..?
    It will follow the same dosing that V1 did... Only difference, really, is that v1 could be dosed sporadically. To reap the cumulative benefits of the jiaogulan, v2 will have to be dosed every day.

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    Some Slin-Sane is on the way for me now. Excited to give it a shot. Haven't used anything like it (besides bulk Na-RALA) in a couple years since last using Anabolic Pump and P-slin.
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    since i follw l sometimes my meal has 300-400 g carbs in one meal, how many caps would u say to take with that? also would u take all before the meal or 1 or 2 befre and 1 r 2 during because it does take a while to eat all that food
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    Quote Originally Posted by mkretz
    since i follw l sometimes my meal has 300-400 g carbs in one meal, how many caps would u say to take with that? also would u take all before the meal or 1 or 2 befre and 1 r 2 during because it does take a while to eat all that food
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    Quote Originally Posted by mkretz View Post
    since i follw l sometimes my meal has 300-400 g carbs in one meal, how many caps would u say to take with that? also would u take all before the meal or 1 or 2 befre and 1 r 2 during because it does take a while to eat all that food
    Do I assume correctly that you're following intermittent fasting?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smitty77

    Do I assume correctly that you're following intermittent fasting?
    I follow if and have never had a 400g carb MEAL let alone day.. Normally I stay below 50 all from fruits/veg, Abd on a refeed every 4-6 weeks , sometimes less, I'll consume 100-200 g from low gi carbs
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    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    I follow if and have never had a 400g carb MEAL let alone day.. Normally I stay below 50 all from fruits/veg, Abd on a refeed every 4-6 weeks , sometimes less, I'll consume 100-200 g from low gi carbs
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    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    I follow if and have never had a 400g carb MEAL let alone day.. Normally I stay below 50 all from fruits/veg, Abd on a refeed every 4-6 weeks , sometimes less, I'll consume 100-200 g from low gi carbs
    WTF? Cheda is this true? You refeed every 4-6 weeks and only 200g of carbs? damn...Bro come on thats besides dangerous, against any goals someone might want to achieve :S!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celorza

    WTF? Cheda is this true? You refeed every 4-6 weeks and only 200g of carbs? damn...Bro come on thats besides dangerous, against any goals someone might want to achieve :S!
    It was more frequent, like once a week, up until June.. Then when sunmer hit I wanted to cut and well, that worked fR about 2 weeks, I peaked, and then boom- lethargy, fat/water gain back again.. No good- even while on erase, ephedra, oep and a diuretic lol. Under eating and over training. Idk man! I know better..Do as I say, not as I do.

    Home life has been tough, money is tight, food is not easy to Come by.. Living off rotisserie chicken, salads and fruits when I can get em lol.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Smitty77 View Post
    Do I assume correctly that you're following intermittent fasting?
    yes sorry my keyboard i dumb and doesnt like to work
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    Quote Originally Posted by mkretz View Post
    yes sorry my keyboard i dumb and doesnt like to work
    Honestly, based on your current weight, carb total, and the fact that you're IF, even 2 capsules prior to that meal would only help a little bit... Thing to remember is, that when you break that fast that your insulin sensitivity is very high, so using a GDA is almost pointless.

    So, just eat without the SS for now... The good news is that you can simply take 1-2 capsules before bed and extend the life of the bottle by 30 days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smitty77 View Post
    Honestly, based on your current weight, carb total, and the fact that you're IF, even 2 capsules prior to that meal would only help a little bit... Thing to remember is, that when you break that fast that your insulin sensitivity is very high, so using a GDA is almost pointless.

    So, just eat without the SS for now... The good news is that you can simply take 1-2 capsules before bed and extend the life of the bottle by 30 days.

    well i usuall y end up finishing tha tmeal right before bed....still ok to dose then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smitty77 View Post
    Honestly, based on your current weight, carb total, and the fact that you're IF, even 2 capsules prior to that meal would only help a little bit... Thing to remember is, that when you break that fast that your insulin sensitivity is very high, so using a GDA is almost pointless.

    So, just eat without the SS for now... The good news is that you can simply take 1-2 capsules before bed and extend the life of the bottle by 30 days.
    Great response.

    Quote Originally Posted by mkretz View Post
    well i usuall y end up finishing tha tmeal right before bed....still ok to dose then?
    Yes. You can also try taking it during the fasting period. If you don't go hypoglycemic, the effects on AMPK will be rather favorable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69

    Great response.

    Yes. You can also try taking it during the fasting period. If you don't go hypoglycemic, the effects on AMPK will be rather favorable.
    Would there be diminishing returns if training fasted and using a gda Pre workout? If the body is already mostly depleted of carbs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    Would there be diminishing returns if training fasted and using a gda Pre workout? If the body is already mostly depleted of carbs?
    Not sure if I follow...Diminishing returns versus what?
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    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza

    Would there be diminishing returns if training fasted and using a gda Pre workout? If the body is already mostly depleted of carbs?
    Just gonna force the uptake of creatine if I remember my convo with coop.
    Berberine has glut4 translocation factors, and ppl say that it causes atrophy but that IS in already diabetic test subjects. The true outcome is not known that well in humans.
    Relative to how well you can handle the hypo effects that it MAY cause, its up to u Cam. The studies of APump by USP sound and look promising and their FT protocol has given good results, but just listen to your body with the low carbs YeH. Carbs as I have been taught are good but the timing and 24/7 balance is key
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69

    Not sure if I follow...Diminishing returns versus what?
    Like is it pointless to dose a gda Pre workout if one Is low carbing.. Would it cause adverse effects
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    Quote Originally Posted by runner_79 View Post
    Just gonna force the uptake of creatine if I remember my convo with coop.
    Berberine has glut4 translocation factors, and ppl say that it causes atrophy but that IS in already diabetic test subjects. The true outcome is not known that well in humans.
    Relative to how well you can handle the hypo effects that it MAY cause, its up to u Cam. The studies of APump by USP sound and look promising and their FT protocol has given good results, but just listen to your body with the low carbs YeH. Carbs as I have been taught are good but the timing and 24/7 balance is key
    But if I am wrong, someone please tell me.
    Berberine isn't in Slin-sane v2. The effects on atrogin-1 are dose-dependent and likely won't be observed at the doses we use in humans. Berberine is a great cutting tool, IMO, due to its effects in the small intestine as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    Like is it pointless to dose a gda Pre workout if one Is low carbing.. Would it cause adverse effects
    Definitely not pointless. But if you go hypoglyemic, it's not worth it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69

    Berberine isn't in Slin-sane v2. The effects on atrogin-1 are dose-dependent and likely won't be observed at the doses we use in humans. Berberine is a great cutting tool, IMO, due to its effects in the small intestine as well.

    Definitely not pointless. But if you go hypoglyemic, it's not worth it.
    Would going hypo halt fat loss? Or increase the bodies desire to hold onto it (fat)?



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    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    Would going hypo halt fat loss? Or increase the bodies desire to hold onto it (fat)?



    Edit: btw, y u no sleep? Lol
    No. A GDA pre-training will likely improve body composition in the long term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69

    No. A GDA pre-training will likely improve body composition in the long term.

    As for sleep...this is life after ergobolic.
    Ergo that good?
    Glad you had results.

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    ok so i shuld try during the fastin period....what id i d go hypo thouh and i cant eat yet? also..... i know its a dumb question but hw exactly woudl i know i o hypo? is it something u can just deal with?
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    The concern with going hypo during your training is extreme lethargy. It could be very hard to finish a work out. Lethargy is obviously not an issue pre bed.

    400g carb meal! Could I have an example please (food porn!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by MM11 View Post
    The concern with going hypo during your training is extreme lethargy. It could be very hard to finish a work out. Lethargy is obviously not an issue pre bed.

    400g carb meal! Could I have an example please (food porn!)

    haha dont have any pics but i can ive u an example f what iw ould have...............

    the most recnet i can remember cuz i dont do it every day.....

    a bunch of grilled sweet potato fries, sloppy joe with lean ground beef and beans and rice, big bowl of atmeal with fruit in it, a greek ygurt with fruit, ice cream, gluten free bread (toasted) with an omlette, luten free waffles with suar free syrup......
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    how long does goin hypo usually last cuz im thinkin of tryin that midday dose
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    Quote Originally Posted by mkretz View Post
    how long does goin hypo usually last cuz im thinkin of tryin that midday dose
    I think that you would experience more of a hypoglycemic feeling than actual blood sugar lowering to a level of concern. You would probably feel that way untill you ate enough carbs and some time for digestion. You may feel dizzy and lethargic during your work out. Maybe a post work out dose would be beneficial. How long from your work out until you eat that monstrous meal? How often, do you eat that way every day or just refeeds?

    After work out would avoid the lethargy concern during your work out, curious about your daily lay out though. I could offer much better suggestions if I had a better idea what your day was like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MM11 View Post
    I think that you would experience more of a hypoglycemic feeling than actual blood sugar lowering to a level of concern. You would probably feel that way untill you ate enough carbs and some time for digestion. You may feel dizzy and lethargic during your work out. Maybe a post work out dose would be beneficial. How long from your work out until you eat that monstrous meal? How often, do you eat that way every day or just refeeds?

    After work out would avoid the lethargy concern during your work out, curious about your daily lay out though. I could offer much better suggestions if I had a better idea what your day was like.
    I wil typically train fasted and then go home and cook my huge meal......thi takes abut1-1.5 hours, then i sit and eat the rest of the night lol I d bi meals eery workout day,, higher cab on day following off days because i do no carbs on those days, then i do mderate carbs the rest of the days
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    Quote Originally Posted by mkretz View Post
    I wil typically train fasted and then go home and cook my huge meal......thi takes abut1-1.5 hours, then i sit and eat the rest of the night lol I d bi meals eery workout day,, higher cab on day following off days because i do no carbs on those days, then i do mderate carbs the rest of the days
    How long until you go to bed after that meal?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69

    Berberine isn't in Slin-sane v2. The effects on atrogin-1 are dose-dependent and likely won't be observed at the doses we use in humans. Berberine is a great cutting tool, IMO, due to its effects in the small intestine as well.

    Definitely not pointless. But if you go hypoglyemic, it's not worth it.
    He asked about a gda in general bro so whether or not Berberine is an ingredient, it is very great addition for abovesaid and many more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MM11 View Post
    How long until you go to bed after that meal?
    sometime riht after sometimes half hour, but usually nt more than that......
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    Quote Originally Posted by mkretz

    sometime riht after sometimes half hour, but usually nt more than that......
    Damn. I force myself to stay up for 2-3 hours following my cheat meals which usually take place at 8-10 pm so I'll stay up til 2 or 3am lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by mkretz View Post
    sometime riht after sometimes half hour, but usually nt more than that......
    What time do you work out? What time do you wake up? What time is that eating period start?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MM11

    What time do you work out? What time do you wake up? What time is that eating period start?
    Do u mind if I answer these as well? It seems like me n mkretz follow a similar eating pattern
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    Absolutely. I am wondering how many hours he fasts awake.

    I go to the gym in the morning. I invasion waking up, lifting, eating for 8hours, sleep. I could be much more help If I knew the structure of your day. What time the higher carb meals are. Ect
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    Quote Originally Posted by MM11
    Absolutely. I am wondering how many hours he fasts awake.

    I go to the gym in the morning. I invasion waking up, lifting, eating for 8hours, sleep. I could be much more help If I knew the structure of your day. What time the higher carb meals are. Ect
    My day is currently- wake up anytime from noon-2. Get to gym by 3-5. Eat by 6-8 until 10/11
    Bed at 2-3am

    Few days a week I wake up earlier but gym and food will be same times.. My last feeding is usually just a protein shake at 10 or 11pm. But then I'm up for a few hours.. It's summer so my cheat meals r less frequent.. But when I do, I usually eat less during the day or have a depletion workout prior.. And I do it late at night like 8-10.. I necer count, but a reasonable estimate would be 200g carbs (60-70fiber) 100g protein, and 100g fat (10-20 saturated)

    I don't tolerate carbs at all.. I hAve to be keto to really burn fat and get super cut.. I've all but given up on it this summer. Last year it was easty, but for some reason this year, just couldnt make it hAppen despite heavy supplementation, lots of cardio and keto dieting. So I said f it and started addin back fruits and veg, beans, etc.. Very little STARCHY carbs, but not low carb for sure.. Per the advice of Manu members, I need to really shock/reset my system due to years of Yo Yo dieting/low carbing and stimulant use.. Recommendations are for 200-300 g carbs daily.. I'm trying, but that's a tough one...
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    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    My day is currently- wake up anytime from noon-2. Get to gym by 3-5. Eat by 6-8 until 10/11
    Bed at 2-3am

    Few days a week I wake up earlier but gym and food will be same times.. My last feeding is usually just a protein shake at 10 or 11pm. But then I'm up for a few hours.. It's summer so my cheat meals r less frequent.. But when I do, I usually eat less during the day or have a depletion workout prior.. And I do it late at night like 8-10.. I necer count, but a reasonable estimate would be 200g carbs (60-70fiber) 100g protein, and 100g fat (10-20 saturated)

    I don't tolerate carbs at all.. I hAve to be keto to really burn fat and get super cut.. I've all but given up on it this summer. Last year it was easty, but for some reason this year, just couldnt make it hAppen despite heavy supplementation, lots of cardio and keto dieting. So I said f it and started addin back fruits and veg, beans, etc.. Very little STARCHY carbs, but not low carb for sure.. Per the advice of Manu members, I need to really shock/reset my system due to years of Yo Yo dieting/low carbing and stimulant use.. Recommendations are for 200-300 g carbs daily.. I'm trying, but that's a tough one...
    Not to different than I. Ill use myself as an example

    Wake up 9:51 every day (9 min snooze sometimes)
    gym @ 11-1ish (whey shake in milk as I drive home, does not count as a meal)
    Post work out meal around 1-1:30
    ** I personally do not use any GDA post work out. I am sensitive to GDAs and nutrient repartitioning post work out is already increased, I see it as diminishing returns. I also have the opinion post work out are needed to restore glycogen, and a GDA may not be best at that time.
    **At work till 1130 ***
    Meal 2 @ 5pm<-- This is about a 100-200 carb meal depending on the day. I will be using SS v2 20 mins before this meal
    Meal 3 @ 8-9pm (50-100g carbs)
    Whey/Casein shake around 10. Last consumption of calories for the day if I am being strict with my diet...
    Bed 3am (hopefully)

    That is my lay out. I will give pre bed doses a try, But to be honest getting 60 days out of a bottle IN MY OPINION will yeild greater results than over dosing a product. It takes time for composition changes to occur. I noted I am sensitive to this type of product, others may need 2 caps to experience the same results. SSv2 is powerful I always recommend starting low and working up to a sweet spot.

    Cheda I have read your threads, your very knowledgeable but I agree with the members who recommend a little "break" it seems to me like you tried to be "competition ready" all year, or at least for several months. Thats not ideal. It also looks to me like your only eating for 4-5 hours out of the day, In MY opinion thats too little. You may just need to take some time on a moderate carb diet, and wait for your body to re adjust.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MM11

    Not to different than I. Ill use myself as an example

    Wake up 9:51 every day (9 min snooze sometimes)
    gym @ 11-1ish (whey shake in milk as I drive home, does not count as a meal)
    Post work out meal around 1-1:30
    ** I personally do not use any GDA post work out. I am sensitive to GDAs and nutrient repartitioning post work out is already increased, I see it as diminishing returns. I also have the opinion post work out are needed to restore glycogen, and a GDA may not be best at that time.
    **At work till 1130 ***
    Meal 2 @ 5pm<-- This is about a 100-200 carb meal depending on the day. I will be using SS v2 20 mins before this meal
    Meal 3 @ 8-9pm (50-100g carbs)
    Whey/Casein shake around 10. Last consumption of calories for the day if I am being strict with my diet...
    Bed 3am (hopefully)

    That is my lay out. I will give pre bed doses a try, But to be honest getting 60 days out of a bottle IN MY OPINION will yeild greater results than over dosing a product. It takes time for composition changes to occur. I noted I am sensitive to this type of product, others may need 2 caps to experience the same results. SSv2 is powerful I always recommend starting low and working up to a sweet spot.

    Cheda I have read your threads, your very knowledgeable but I agree with the members who recommend a little "break" it seems to me like you tried to be "competition ready" all year, or at least for several months. Thats not ideal. It also looks to me like your only eating for 4-5 hours out of the day, In MY opinion thats too little. You may just need to take some time on a moderate carb diet, and wait for your body to re adjust.
    You're right. I kept the intensity and diet too strict year round this year and when it came Time to cut, the ceiling had been reached! Live and learn.

    I forgot to add- I take recover Pro immediately post workout. And i usually pop an anabolic pump, or any gda im using, during my workout.. 15-20 minutes PRIOR to my post lift cardio...
    Could I donthis with ss v1 (have 3 bottle left) and/or v2?

    On workout days, feeding window is only about 4-5 hours yea. On off days it's 8 or so
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    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    You're right. I kept the intensity and diet too strict year round this year and when it came Time to cut, the ceiling had been reached! Live and learn.

    I forgot to add- I take recover Pro immediately post workout. And i usually pop an anabolic pump, or any gda im using, during my workout.. 15-20 minutes PRIOR to my post lift cardio...
    Could I donthis with ss v1 (have 3 bottle left) and/or v2?

    On workout days, feeding window is only about 4-5 hours yea. On off days it's 8 or so
    You want to be cautious using a GDA intra- or post-WO... intestinal absorption of glucose is sometimes impaired. That's in relation to v1 (gymnema, notably); with v2, you could potentially use it at these times, but I am not particularly a proponent of anti-oxidant use after training (ALA/jiaogulan)

    Short answer, no. Popping a SS, fasted, prior to cardio only would be very beneficial, but not if you've trained first... insulin sensitivity is very high after intense exercise/training, so a GDA would be rather purposeless.
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