Slin-Sane v2

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    Anyone fill me in on the first ingredient?

    I'm going to miss v1 I don't like change personally, but will def give this a try..
    This is far superior


  2. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69

    This is far superior
    Might I push u for a little more??
    I'm thinking in terms of cheat meals- v1 I would use 2 caps 20-30min prior to roughly ~100-150g carbs and about 80-100g of fat. No those aren't typos.. I like to so that once a week, sometimes twice then deplete, almost keto.. V1 helped me with preventing bloat and fat accum. I also used one cap prior to fasted cardio. Can This product be used the same way?
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    Might I push u for a little more??
    I'm thinking in terms of cheat meals- v1 I would use 2 caps 20-30min prior to roughly ~100-150g carbs and about 80-100g of fat. No those aren't typos.. I like to so that once a week, sometimes twice then deplete, almost keto.. V1 helped me with preventing bloat and fat accum. I also used one cap prior to fasted cardio. Can This product be used the same way?
    I know you think you know your body, but the effects of a supplemental GDA on fat accumulation for a meal of that size were placebo. The gymnema could potentially block all carbohydrate absorption if you were dosing 4-8 caps pre-meal, but unless you have Orlistat on hand, the fat would still be absorbed and utilized and would comprise the bulk of the calories. This formula is far superior for overall health. GDAs are not meant to allow you to eat whatever you want. There is no evidence they partition nutrients to muscle preferentially. However, they do allow for higher insulin sensitivity which is unquestionably beneficial for overall health and could reduce fat storage that is reminiscent of hyperinsulinemia, when chronically administered.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69

    I know you think you know your body, but the effects of a supplemental GDA on fat accumulation for a meal of that size were placebo. The gymnema could potentially block all carbohydrate absorption if you were dosing 4-8 caps pre-meal, but unless you have Orlistat on hand, the fat would still be absorbed and utilized and would comprise the bulk of the calories. This formula is far superior for overall health. GDAs are not meant to allow you to eat whatever you want. There is no evidence they partition nutrients to muscle preferentially. However, they do allow for higher insulin sensitivity which is unquestionably beneficial for overall health and could reduce fat storage that is reminiscent of hyperinsulinemia, when chronically administered.
    I see. I was using chitosan+chromium caps and phase2 carb blocker for spill over. All calories were clean as in no processed foods.. 90%complex low glycemic cRbs and 90-95% unsaturated fats from nuts/nut butter sources

  5. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69

    I know you think you know your body, but the effects of a supplemental GDA on fat accumulation for a meal of that size were placebo. The gymnema could potentially block all carbohydrate absorption if you were dosing 4-8 caps pre-meal, but unless you have Orlistat on hand, the fat would still be absorbed and utilized and would comprise the bulk of the calories. This formula is far superior for overall health. GDAs are not meant to allow you to eat whatever you want. There is no evidence they partition nutrients to muscle preferentially. However, they do allow for higher insulin sensitivity which is unquestionably beneficial for overall health and could reduce fat storage that is reminiscent of hyperinsulinemia, when chronically administered.
    Agree. I know our product (Purus) promotes keeping blood glucose levels stable from high GI carbs (carbs in general), as well as speeding blood glucose clearance. It overall improves/promotes carbohydrate metabolism.
    This should apply to most GDAs either way.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by AaronJP1

    Agree. I know our product (Purus) promotes keeping blood glucose levels stable from high GI carbs (carbs in general), as well as speeding blood glucose clearance. It overall improves/promotes carbohydrate metabolism.
    This should apply to most GDAs either way.
    Right. By all means, I am not using these products as a freebie to eat bags of junk and not workout.. There is a method to the madness. I know WITHOUT them, I could not do what I do and maintain a half decent physique.. Was just hoping to share one of my personal uses.. I DO use a GDA year round before basically every and any ingestion of calories and most fasted cardio or lifting . I'm confident in genomyx's newest !!

  7. Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza

    Right. By all means, I am not using these products as a freebie to eat bags of junk and not workout.. There is a method to the madness. I know WITHOUT them, I could not do what I do and maintain a half decent physique.. Was just hoping to share one of my personal uses.. I DO use a GDA year round before basically every and any ingestion of calories and most fasted cardio or lifting . I'm confident in genomyx's newest !!
    Yeah for me SLINshot is pretty much a staple.
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    I see. I was using chitosan+chromium caps and phase2 carb blocker for spill over. All calories were clean as in no processed foods.. 90%complex low glycemic cRbs and 90-95% unsaturated fats from nuts/nut butter sources
    Macronutrient density, not how "clean" the foods were, will determine fat storage. But yes, you were blocking a good bit of carbs.

    Just as an aside, I would try to stop this practice as it could lead to disordered eating patterns. I've seen it happen in some pretty bright people over on BB.com.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69

    Macronutrient density, not how "clean" the foods were, will determine fat storage. But yes, you were blocking a good bit of carbs.

    Just as an aside, I would try to stop this practice as it could lead to disordered eating patterns. I've seen it happen in some pretty bright people over on BB.com.
    Oh I've already gotten that. I'm a recovered anorexic.. So I kinda restrict and have 'rules' and the now the occasional binge to feel not so deprived. I can control it but the thoughts r always there.. Sometimes I have to workout more to compensate for some binging.. But I can tuen it off just as eaSily n buckle down when I really want to like for summer or vaca's. Thanks for looking out tho.

    -apologies for any thread derailing-

  10. Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    Oh I've already gotten that. I'm a recovered anorexic.. So I kinda restrict and have 'rules' and the now the occasional binge to feel not so deprived. I can control it but the thoughts r always there.. Sometimes I have to workout more to compensate for some binging.. But I can tuen it off just as eaSily n buckle down when I really want to like for summer or vaca's. Thanks for looking out tho.

    -apologies for any thread derailing-
    I understand. While it is great that you are controlling your binges now, the next step is to eliminate them altogether. So don't buy GDAs for this purpose or the problem will never leave!

  11. So my ability to eat lots of food at one time on my cheat meal day is bad?

    I can go weeks without a cheat meal too. Do i have a problem? Lol serious question.
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by 3clipseGT View Post
    So my ability to eat lots of food at one time on my cheat meal day is bad?

    I can go weeks without a cheat meal too. Do i have a problem? Lol serious question.
    No, that is fine. My issue was with taking all these nutrient blockers (a metaphoric purge, if you will).

  13. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    No, that is fine. My issue was with taking all these nutrient blockers (a metaphoric purge, if you will).
    Aaahh ok. Just wanted to make sure lol.
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69

    No, that is fine. My issue was with taking all these nutrient blockers (a metaphoric purge, if you will).
    I was assuming the thought was simply reliance on anything.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    GDAs are not meant to allow you to eat whatever you want. There is no evidence they partition nutrients to muscle preferentially. However, they do allow for higher insulin sensitivity which is unquestionably beneficial for overall health and could reduce fat storage that is reminiscent of hyperinsulinemia, when chronically administered.
    Just trying to understand how SS v1 or SS v2 works, hence the question: What is the difference between taking, say, SS v2 and then eating one serving of ice cream and a piece of cake vs. not taking SS v2 and eating one serving of ice cream and a piece of cake? If ice cream and cake are bad examples, how about pizza and pasta? Thanks.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by John33 View Post
    Just trying to understand how SS v1 or SS v2 works, hence the question: What is the difference between taking, say, SS v2 and then eating one serving of ice cream and a piece of cake vs. not taking SS v2 and eating one serving of ice cream and a piece of cake? If ice cream and cake are bad examples, how about pizza and pasta? Thanks.
    I haven't looked into the novel ingredient in SSv2, but the Na-R-ALA/banaba will increase insulin sensitivity and provide insulinomimetic action, thus lowering your total insulin response to the meal (a good thing). The norvaline will transiently increase the available arginine pool for NO synthesis. The gymnema in v1 is great for proper pancreatic function and serves as a carb blocker as well.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    I haven't looked into the novel ingredient in SSv2, but the Na-R-ALA/banaba will increase insulin sensitivity and provide insulinomimetic action, thus lowering your total insulin response to the meal (a good thing). The norvaline will transiently increase the available arginine pool for NO synthesis. The gymnema in v1 is great for proper pancreatic function and serves as a carb blocker as well.
    Are you trying to say it doesn't directly take the nutrients to the muscles and spit everything else out? I thought that's what every GDA ever has said to do?!?
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce View Post
    Are you trying to say it doesn't directly take the nutrients to the muscles and spit everything else out? I thought that's what every GDA ever has said to do?!?
    Hopefully you'll find more and more companies that manufacture this type of product will get away from this type of advertising rhetoric... Thing is, these products do work, so companies needn't rely on hyperbole to sell to the educated consumer.

    Saying that this class of products shuttles nutrients is one thing... Saying that they shuttle nutrients directly to muscle is another (if they're GLUT 4 reliant, how can they specifically transport to muscle?).
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by Smitty77 View Post
    Hopefully you'll find more and more companies that manufacture this type of product will get away from this type of advertising rhetoric... Thing is, these products do work, so companies needn't rely on hyperbole to sell to the educated consumer.

    Saying that this class of products shuttles nutrients is one thing... Saying that they shuttle nutrients directly to muscle is another (if they're GLUT 4 reliant, how can they specifically transport to muscle?).
    Certainly, and I do understand advertising. It's just funny to me. I'm ready for this stuff to release though!
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce View Post
    I'm ready for this stuff to release though!
    Ditto!
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69

    I haven't looked into the novel ingredient in SSv2, but the Na-R-ALA/banaba will increase insulin sensitivity and provide insulinomimetic action, thus lowering your total insulin response to the meal (a good thing). The norvaline will transiently increase the available arginine pool for NO synthesis. The gymnema in v1 is great for proper pancreatic function and serves as a carb blocker as well.
    Question for you coop about v1(didn't want to start a new thread for a simple question) for the pre bed dose I take 8g arginine for the possible gh enhancement(prob doesn't help but I have 2lbs leftover from last year might as well use them) would this affect the slin sane dose I take in any negative way?

    Also, how long do the ingredients stay active in the body? If I take a cap, wait 30 mins, then eat a 75-100g carb meal over the course of the next hour or so, does the entire meal get affected or just some of it due to slin sanes half life?

  22. Have the SSv2 ingredients already been released?

  23. Quote Originally Posted by uvawahoowa View Post
    Question for you coop about v1(didn't want to start a new thread for a simple question) for the pre bed dose I take 8g arginine for the possible gh enhancement(prob doesn't help but I have 2lbs leftover from last year might as well use them) would this affect the slin sane dose I take in any negative way?

    Also, how long do the ingredients stay active in the body? If I take a cap, wait 30 mins, then eat a 75-100g carb meal over the course of the next hour or so, does the entire meal get affected or just some of it due to slin sanes half life?
    I know you said Coop, but I'm going to answer anyhow.

    Norvaline is an arginase inhibitor, so arginine doesn't affect SS negatively. SS, in fact, renders it useless.

    Banaba and gymnema both have short half-lives (banaba is 20 mins., actually, and gymnema isn't too much longer); norvaline is active for about 6 hours. The nutrients of that meal are moved along very quickly, not necessarily over the next hour, but SS's ingredients work in concert to keep things continuous.

    Quote Originally Posted by BamaDog View Post
    Have the SSv2 ingredients already been released?
    Can't recall if I posted them in here or not, so here you are, superstar.

    Jiaogulan (98% Gypenosides) - 185mg
    Na-R-ALA - 143mg
    Banaba PE (1% Corosolic acid) - 100mg
    L-Norvaline - 100mg
    Biotin - 1mg
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  24. Quote Originally Posted by Smitty77 View Post
    I know you said Coop, but I'm going to answer anyhow.

    Norvaline is an arginase inhibitor, so arginine doesn't affect SS negatively. SS, in fact, renders it useless.

    Banaba and gymnema both have short half-lives (banaba is 20 mins., actually, and gymnema isn't too much longer); norvaline is active for about 6 hours. The nutrients of that meal are moved along very quickly, not necessarily over the next hour, but SS's ingredients work in concert to keep things continuous.



    Can't recall if I posted them in here or not, so here you are, superstar.

    Jiaogulan (98% Gypenosides) - 185mg
    Na-R-ALA - 143mg
    Banaba PE (1% Corosolic acid) - 100mg
    L-Norvaline - 100mg
    Biotin - 1mg
    Ha! What a waste then! Though the arginine probably doesn't do much anyways. Good to know though.

  25. Smitty answered the question perfectly, though I must ask, do you have a link to the half-life on norvaline. All the data I've seen indicate a short half-life but extended after-effects on the urea cycle.
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