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  1. Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    My future depends on my actions? What about the 14 month old babies that are disgustingly raped and murdered? What exactly did these kids do to reap those consequences? Was it an exercise of their infantile "free will" that brought this upon them?
    Parents are given the responsibility to look out for their kids.And I was molested as a child and I cant blame it on God.If my parents would have had some discernment they would have knew there was something wrong with the individual that they left into their home.But they were living for theur own will and were spiritualy dead as it were.Sin disconnects us from God and fear of retribution for our sin or pride keeps us from having fellowship or even recognising Him.

    So seeing how man was given the job of following God and and authority to govern the Earth by Gods statutes.So in essence its EVERYONES fault these things occur.


    Trust in the LORD with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct your paths . Proverbs 3:5-6


  2. Quote Originally Posted by EESCHMan View Post
    Don't you know we are "all born with sin?"
    even those yet born...we all have a strike against us going into this life.

    Luckily I don't believe in it...
    You can believe or not believe whatever you want but that doesnt mean it isnt true.


    Trust in the LORD with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct your paths . Proverbs 3:5-6
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    My future depends on my actions? What about the 14 month old babies that are disgustingly raped and murdered? What exactly did these kids do to reap those consequences? Was it an exercise of their infantile "free will" that brought this upon them?
    Someone took free will from that baby. Baby didn't do anything wrong, but someone else did....

  4. Quote Originally Posted by mmowry View Post
    Parents are given the responsibility to look out for their kids.And I was molested as a child and I cant blame it on God.If my parents would have had some discernment they would have knew there was something wrong with the individual that they left into their home.But they were living for theur own will and were spiritualy dead as it were.Sin disconnects us from God and fear of retribution for our sin or pride keeps us from having fellowship or even recognising Him.

    So seeing how man was given the job of following God and and authority to govern the Earth by Gods statutes.So in essence its EVERYONES fault these things occur.
    Is God incapable of preventing the torture of innocents? And what if someone kicks in your door guns blazing, to kidnap, torture, and murder your child in the course of a robbery?

    Do you not see any situation where parents would be unable to prevent some sick, evil bastard from "exercising his free will" upon a defenseless child? And yet, this all-powerful god stands by and lets it happen when it would take merely a thought to prevent it.
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by DmitryWI View Post
    Someone took free will from that baby. Baby didn't do anything wrong, but someone else did....
    And yet the innocent baby is the one that suffers, while god stands idly by?

    That kind of god is either impotent, apathetic, or pure evil. Your pick.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by mmowry View Post
    Well God has a will for our lives but its still our choice.He gave us common sense.When you are aware of His will and walk in it you are under His full umbrella of protection when you dont you take matters into your own hands.Thus inadvertantly saying Ill make my own decisions thus my will is my god at that moment.

    "Beloved I wish above all things that you prosper and be in good health even as your soul prospers." He wants us to live life to the fulfillment of His plan but we can give the devil the right (due to disobedience) to influence us and our lives.

    And why do unspeakable things happen to seemingly good people?Because God gave man authority over the Earth and if we dont walk in it there will be reprocussions.And sin leads to the breakdown of the system.the more corrupt it gets the worse it is.Just like a computer.


    Quote Originally Posted by mmowry View Post
    Parents are given the responsibility to look out for their kids.And I was molested as a child and I cant blame it on God.If my parents would have had some discernment they would have knew there was something wrong with the individual that they left into their home.But they were living for theur own will and were spiritualy dead as it were.Sin disconnects us from God and fear of retribution for our sin or pride keeps us from having fellowship or even recognising Him.

    So seeing how man was given the job of following God and and authority to govern the Earth by Gods statutes.So in essence its EVERYONES fault these things occur.

    Well said, MMOWRY

  7. This is an interesting place to share religious/spiritual ideas, whereas we would otherwise not likely encounter another. I can share ideas, learn and chat with people from different classes areas and countries, truly invaluable. I think we sometimes forget that we cannot change anothers perspective easily and tend to be frustrated when these unrealistic attempts occur. Some however remain calm and consistent and can, with a clear mind further their enlightenment. I have a hard time following these conversations and by comparison my views seem juvenile, but why is this so complicated? all most religions have provided for me lately is confusion and doubt. I struggle to believe anything governs man and its activities, and i think the simplicity of our existence is filthied up by people trying to make something out of nothing.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    And yet the innocent baby is the one that suffers, while god stands idly by?

    That kind of god is either impotent, apathetic, or pure evil. Your pick.
    Basically you are trying to make an excuse for some sick ****, who did it because God allowed him to do? Dose it make you feel better?
    Because people chose to have free will, God isn't gonna do anything, unless you ask...

  9. "the carnal mind is at emnity with God" so theres no point in letting this go on.Jesus said "if you enter a town and they accept you and my gospel I will let My peace reside there but if they reject you and My gospel shake the dust from your feet and my peace will not reside"

    I wonder how many people who are fighting against God (even though they KNOW they are fighting against a ficticious character) sleep well at night?Do they Have hope and joy when they are all alone and dont have to stay busy all the time to keep from dealing with this inner struggle?


    Trust in the LORD with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct your paths . Proverbs 3:5-6

  10. Quote Originally Posted by DmitryWI View Post
    Basically you are trying to make an excuse for some sick ****, who did it because God allowed him to do? Dose it make you feel better?
    Because people chose to have free will, God isn't gonna do anything, unless you ask...
    How exactly does a small child ask god to help, if not with its agonized screams? Yet god does nothing, as these horrors happens every day.

    Where is your god when these children suffer by no fault of their own, when all he has to do is think about it and the evil scum would be instantly in hell, and the child safe?
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    How exactly does a small child ask god to help, if not with its agonized screams? Yet god does nothing, as these horrors happens every day.

    Where is your god when these children suffer by no fault of their own, when all he has to do is think about it and the evil scum would be instantly in hell, and the child safe?
    That child has parents. And God wants you to ask Him for guidence and protection every day, not only when some sh1t goes down. It's pretty sad actually, how all those people act all tough untill something bad happens and then they cry for God's help and willing to believe in Him or some kind of miracle.

  12. Gonna throw some ideas out there to see if anyone can help me with my confusion.
    Does "god" watch over us?
    If god does watch over us would he intervene for 1 out of nearly 7 billion percivably needy people.
    Whats right is based upon perspective so alluding to "your" book doesnt change that.
    So many gods and paths in the world who's right? or is the simple message lost by bickering over who has it more right.
    Why would a god punish people?
    Why do we attach so much value to our habits if they do not harm?
    You were born when your dads sperm joined your moms egg and formed a zygote, what does god have to do with that?
    How can anyone ask for help or a solution when the answers lie around them?
    How do people who all "know" they are doing the right thing continue to see pain and suffering during "religious wars" not realise they are the problem.
    How do "god loving" citizens justify the nearly 700,000 dead iraqi citizens, when iraq never attacked the us?

  13. Quote Originally Posted by DmitryWI View Post
    That child has parents. And God wants you to ask Him for guidence and protection every day, not only when some sh1t goes down. It's pretty sad actually, how all those people act all tough untill something bad happens and then they cry for God's help and willing to believe in Him or some kind of miracle.
    We are judged and punished by our OWN sins, correct? Is it justice that the child was born with crappy parents, and so the child suffers the consequences? Is that JUSTICE to you?
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    How exactly does a small child ask god to help, if not with its agonized screams? Yet god does nothing, as these horrors happens every day.

    Where is your god when these children suffer by no fault of their own, when all he has to do is think about it and the evil scum would be instantly in hell, and the child safe?
    This doesnt prove or disprove a goldy existence, if you went out and killed someone they die.... If someone else kills a kid they die... why should they be magically saved, thats rediculous to expect. whats the difference between that kid and any other innocent victim. Our actions shape the world so why should there be exceptions?

  15. Quote Originally Posted by somewhatgifted View Post
    This doesnt prove or disprove a goldy existence, if you went out and killed someone they die.... If someone else kills a kid they die... why should they be magically saved, thats rediculous to expect. whats the difference between that kid and any other innocent victim. Our actions shape the world so why should there be exceptions?
    I'm not the one claiming that some all powerful, all knowing being that supposedly has the power and morality to stand for good or evil exists.

    If a being exists that is moral, and that being is both all knowing and all powerful, then it means nothing could exist that was NOT in accordance with its will....which means all the horrors that happen to innocent people MUST be in accordance with such a being's will...which then removes the quality of being moral.
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by mmowry View Post
    Well God has a will for our lives but its still our choice.He gave us common sense.When you are aware of His will and walk in it you are under His full umbrella of protection when you dont you take matters into your own hands.Thus inadvertantly saying Ill make my own decisions thus my will is my god at that moment.
    Ok...so if you don't wear a seatbelt, you're not under his umbrella of protection?

    Or...if you truelly believe in him, then you are under his umbrella of protection. Is a seatbelt then still necessary?

  17. I don't think I can answer all your questions, but I can answer few...


    Does "god" watch over us?

    Yes, always, but many don't realize God has something to do with it.

    If god does watch over us would he intervene for 1 out of nearly 7 billion percivably needy people.

    answer above.

    Whats right is based upon perspective so alluding to "your" book doesnt change that.
    So many gods and paths in the world who's right? or is the simple message lost by bickering over who has it more right.


    There's only one God. I don't care how they call Him and who they worship, it's still the same God, they just don't know it or try to create their own "gods"

    Why would a god punish people?

    He never does. People doing pretty good job on their own...


    Why do we attach so much value to our habits if they do not harm?

    ???

    You were born when your dads sperm joined your moms egg and formed a zygote, what does god have to do with that?

    You have a soul that is a part of God's energy. Without soul you are nothing.

    How can anyone ask for help or a solution when the answers lie around them?

    ???

    How do people who all "know" they are doing the right thing continue to see pain and suffering during "religious wars" not realise they are the problem.

    The answer is in your question. Key word: "know"
    How do "god loving" citizens justify the nearly 700,000 dead iraqi citizens, when iraq never attacked the us?

    God didn't kill anyone, people did...

  18. Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    How exactly does a small child ask god to help, if not with its agonized screams? Yet god does nothing, as these horrors happens every day.

    Where is your god when these children suffer by no fault of their own, when all he has to do is think about it and the evil scum would be instantly in hell, and the child safe?
    hey dsade i got u r point ! and we all born without sins ! yes there is bebies and innocent ppl who suffer thats all about test but god let that happen since we all have the free will and through those ppl actions god keep the evidence to judje them and god let that happen it doesnt mean that god loves that that teh way ppl got the test and life in this earth didnt mean to be perfect else it wouldnt be no test and god would create us all pure! but thats all about test that evryday we passin!
    and in other way we have teh destiny that u cant influance it like the death ! , as example how many ppl hade like sever deases or even got shot to the head and didnt die sume call that chance but it is destiny!

  19. Where this discussion has gone is the number one point I have with believing in "god" as most are describing him. All loving, etc...

    I can't believe in a god that would allow all the suffering of innocent people and animals to continue. Humans have been torturing each other for thousands of years, when is enough, enough? At some point long ago, this god would have shown it's self and put a stop to everything. Right now, in my mind, this god is not all loving and/or simply just doesn't care what we do to each other.

    There is not a single arguement I've seen here or anywhere else that would change my mind about that. The cruelity that we inflict on each other every day should have been stopped a very long time ago. That would be a loving god that I could worship, not the one we have now.

  20. "The existence of evil, in particular, gratuitous suffering, is logically inconsistent with an omniscient, omnibenevolent, omnipotent God."

    "God or no God, torturing the innocents is vile. More generally, even if we can make nothing of the concept of God, we can readily come to appreciate...that, if anything is evil, inflicting or tolerating unnecessary and pointless suffering is evil, especially when something can be done about it. An onmibenevolent, omnipotent, and omniscient God can do something about it."

  21. Quote Originally Posted by CRUNCH View Post
    Ok...so if you don't wear a seatbelt, you're not under his umbrella of protection?

    Or...if you truelly believe in him, then you are under his umbrella of protection. Is a seatbelt then still necessary?
    If I dont wear my seatbelt its my pride that keeps me from obeying the law.(this is a lesson I just recently came to terms with actually) and His word says "He resists the proud but in due season will exhault the humble.

    I dont like wearing my seatbelt but it is the law and were to follow the law (unless its in direct violation of Gods laws) Thats also why I quit using illegal anabolics.Not that I have a problem with them at all.Actually I think its ridiculous that steroid laws are what they are but its not worth jeopardising my family if I get a schedule 3 fellony.


    Trust in the LORD with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct your paths . Proverbs 3:5-6

  22. Quote Originally Posted by EESCHMan View Post
    "The existence of evil, in particular, gratuitous suffering, is logically inconsistent with an omniscient, omnibenevolent, omnipotent God."

    "God or no God, torturing the innocents is vile. More generally, even if we can make nothing of the concept of God, we can readily come to appreciate...that, if anything is evil, inflicting or tolerating unnecessary and pointless suffering is evil, especially when something can be done about it. An onmibenevolent, omnipotent, and omniscient God can do something about it."
    AGREED!!

  23. Quote Originally Posted by EESCHMan View Post
    "The existence of evil, in particular, gratuitous suffering, is logically inconsistent with an omniscient, omnibenevolent, omnipotent God."

    "God or no God, torturing the innocents is vile. More generally, even if we can make nothing of the concept of God, we can readily come to appreciate...that, if anything is evil, inflicting or tolerating unnecessary and pointless suffering is evil, especially when something can be done about it. An onmibenevolent, omnipotent, and omniscient God can do something about it."
    Theres a BIG difference between evil acts and evil beings.


    Trust in the LORD with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct your paths . Proverbs 3:5-6

  24. Quote Originally Posted by CRUNCH View Post
    Where this discussion has gone is the number one point I have with believing in "god" as most are describing him. All loving, etc...

    I can't believe in a god that would allow all the suffering of innocent people and animals to continue. Humans have been torturing each other for thousands of years, when is enough, enough? At some point long ago, this god would have shown it's self and put a stop to everything. Right now, in my mind, this god is not all loving and/or simply just doesn't care what we do to each other.

    There is not a single arguement I've seen here or anywhere else that would change my mind about that. The cruelity that we inflict on each other every day should have been stopped a very long time ago. That would be a loving god that I could worship, not the one we have now.
    yes, and a point I made elsewhere:

    say God doesn't exist (he doesn't) would the world really be any different than it is now?

  25. Quote Originally Posted by mmowry View Post
    Theres a BIG difference between evil acts and evil beings.
    Difference or no difference, it's being ALLOWED to happen.
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