Poll: Mccain or Obama?

Mccain vs. Obama - Lets see it.

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  1. Mccain vs. Obama - Lets see it.


    This is a PRIVATE poll, just interested to see how the bodybuilding community votes since the most recent polls just came out. I don't care either way, but am definitely interested to see the outcome . Just a little social experiment.
    PharmD


  2. Can we have a third option? Undecided or third party? Or is this more to see who we think will win over who we want to or will vote for?
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Jayhawkk View Post
    Can we have a third option? Undecided or third party? Or is this more to see who we think will win over who we want to or will vote for?
    I was just trying to figure out how to do that because I thought it was unfair. Good call.
    PharmD

  4. Tell me what you want and I can edit the poll

  5. Ron Paul
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Jayhawkk View Post
    Tell me what you want and I can edit the poll
    Just add a third option that says: "Independent/Third Party" or something like that. Thanks man!
    PharmD

  7. what no hillary.....

  8. Che Guevera all the way!!!

  9. There should be a 4th option for "Not voting"
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  10. I am not happy with the options this go around, hell I rarely am. However, the Mccain/Palin ticket is just not an option for me at all. Not truly b/c of McCain though

  11. I would literally give my left nut for a Ron Paul Presidency ( I have all the kids I want, I should be able to get by fine minus one )

  12. Wow....I just voted, and the results thus far are 7, 7, and 5....pretty daggone tight...

    holy

  13. Quote Originally Posted by holyintellect View Post
    Wow....I just voted, and the results thus far are 7, 7, and 5....pretty daggone tight...

    holy
    Yeah, I mean the most recent polls say 47% to 46% in favor of mccain, but the point is that it is so damn close. Those numbers have up to a 2% error too.

    As for VP's. Honestly they don't do much anyways, you want to pick a presidential candidate who reflects your values. I just don't want to give my paycheck to the poor. Sounds harsh but I don't believe in distribution of wealth, it is socialist and I am not a socialist.
    PharmD

  14. Quote Originally Posted by LakeMountD View Post
    Yeah, I mean the most recent polls say 47% to 46% in favor of mccain, but the point is that it is so damn close. Those numbers have up to a 2% error too.

    As for VP's. Honestly they don't do much anyways, you want to pick a presidential candidate who reflects your values. I just don't want to give my paycheck to the poor. Sounds harsh but I don't believe in distribution of wealth, it is socialist and I am not a socialist.

    What?!? You don't think that it is the government's job to take money from one person and give to another. Who do you think you are? Some kind of Communist?!?

    Oh wait, nevermind.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Dadof2 View Post
    I would literally give my left nut for a Ron Paul Presidency ( I have all the kids I want, I should be able to get by fine minus one )
    Sh*t, I would!

    EDIT: Ok, I really wouldn't, I love my balls, but I'd vote for him or donate money, but I'm sorry, I love my balls.

    I just don't want to give my paycheck to the poor. Sounds harsh but I don't believe in distribution of wealth, it is socialist and I am not a socialist.
    That's not harsh, that's life.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Omen View Post
    Sh*t, I would!

    EDIT: Ok, I really wouldn't, I love my balls, but I'd vote for him or donate money, but I'm sorry, I love my balls.

    "My only regret is that I have but one testicle to give for my country"


    -Me

  17. Quote Originally Posted by LakeMountD View Post
    Yeah, I mean the most recent polls say 47% to 46% in favor of mccain, but the point is that it is so damn close. Those numbers have up to a 2% error too.
    agreed and at the end of the day, the national polls are meaningless. It is the state by state polls, specifically the swing states that truly matter.

  18. What matters most is the fact that Obama has more electoral votes than McCain. McCain was behind in the public polls for a little while, but I am surprised to see that he caught up. I'm not surprised that it happened shortly after he announced choosing a female candidate as his VP choice.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by MuscleHeadGuy View Post
    What matters most is the fact that Obama has more electoral votes than McCain. McCain was behind in the public polls for a little while, but I am surprised to see that he caught up. I'm not surprised that it happened shortly after he announced choosing a female candidate as his VP choice.
    I agree on the electoral votes. Unfortunately it will be impossible to tell anything until the election anyways because the swing states contain so many votes that it could go either way.

    I noticed there has been some Obama hatred coming out lately. A lot of groups have been blasting the internet with things of why he shouldn't be elected. Mostly recently one of the largest black church groups in the US just posted a video about it. I was shocked to see that actually.
    PharmD

  20. Quote Originally Posted by LakeMountD;
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    I noticed there has been some Obama hatred coming out lately. A lot of groups have been blasting the internet with things of why he shouldn't be elected. Mostly recently one of the largest black church groups in the US just posted a video about it. I was shocked to see that actually.
    Completely agree! Quite an unfortunate development. I wonder how much, if any, of that negative stream found its way into the voting structure in this poll....
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by strategicmove View Post
    Completely agree! Quite an unfortunate development. I wonder how much, if any, of that negative stream found its way into the voting structure in this poll....
    Well I am a conservative so I hope haha, but I am as open as they come and if someone wants to vote liberal I don't hate them for it, everyone is entitled to their vote. I just hate big government.
    PharmD

  22. Quote Originally Posted by LakeMountD View Post
    Yeah, I mean the most recent polls say 47% to 46% in favor of mccain, but the point is that it is so damn close. Those numbers have up to a 2% error too.

    As for VP's. Honestly they don't do much anyways, you want to pick a presidential candidate who reflects your values. I just don't want to give my paycheck to the poor. Sounds harsh but I don't believe in distribution of wealth, it is socialist and I am not a socialist.
    agreed 100%. Even in the system we have now, the more you make the higher % you pay of your paycheck...its a double whammy, if you will, and it is not entirely fair to those who qualify for the higher tax brackets/alternative minimums taxes

  23. Quote Originally Posted by LakeMountD View Post
    As for VP's. Honestly they don't do much anyways, you want to pick a presidential candidate who reflects your values. I just don't want to give my paycheck to the poor. Sounds harsh but I don't believe in distribution of wealth, it is socialist and I am not a socialist.
    I don't necessarily have issues with it. Abuses of the system invariably occur, but external forces beyond the influences of individual agents can often precipitate unfortunate conditions; that is life: Mediating your personal decisions through constructs (government, economy and so on) which are not dictated by your personal whims.

    Whether you realize it or not, you operate within a system which inevitably reproduces the social conditions of disparity - not necessarily placing any 'Liberal Guilt' on you, if you will, simply stating that we operate in a financial climate which is not on 'level ground'; you say "I don't want to give my paycheck to the poor", but I have no doubt in my mind you readily capitalize upon a system which keeps them poor: "I have no problem taking my paycheck from the poor.

    I personally have no issues with your standpoint, however. It is a simple matter of Freedom over Equality; some stand for Personal Freedoms at the cost of disparity, and some sacrifices measures of personal gain for the purpose of Equality. I just want to make sure you are considering the precipitous social conditions which produce "the poor". Assuming that personal action and personal action only produce one's socioeconomic status is an unfair analysis.

    EDIT:

    Oh, and that isn't Socialism either; I wish you Americans could better grasp what Socialism is! It is so engrained as a disparaging term within the American social-fabric - as a Cold War relic - that the term has lost all relevant meaning. Socialism's inability to prosper is a foregone conclusion, but that does not mean we have to improperly use the term! Now, I know you will say that the simple redistribution of wealth constitutes Socialism, but I promise it doesn't; if you read work on Socialism, believe me, modern day United States is incredibly far away - for better or worse - from that!

  24. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    but I have no doubt in my mind you readily capitalize upon a system which keeps them poor:
    Good post . As I stated before I welcome intelligent experiences no matter what party you support. Nothing annoys me more than people who support any candidate and they don't even know them or understand their policies etc.

    However, I am glad you brought up the above point. Not sure how many economics classes you have taken as I don't know your background, but take any microeconomics class and one of the things you will learn is that there HAS TO BE poor. The country cannot run if there are not poor people. It is impossible for everyone to be rich. It is one of those things that no one wants to accept but the bottom line is it has to be that way. Why change it? Although some people who are poor might just have bad luck, the bulk of them chose to not take the higher ground. If they are uneducated and chose to be that way then why change it? Many of my friends came from the ghettos of Miami at F schools are are currently working toward their doctorate. Bottom line is I don't feel sorry for those who don't work as hard probably because I had to work so hard. Here is a good story of how I feel:



    Father/Daughter Talk

    A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so many others her age, she considered herself to be a very liberal Democrat, and among other liberal ideals, was very much in favor of higher taxes to support more government programs, in other words redistribution of wealth.

    She was deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch Republican, a feeling she openly expressed. Based on the lectures that she had participated in, and the occasional chat with a professor, she felt that her father had for years harbored an evil, selfish desire to keep what he thought should be his.

    One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to higher taxes on the rich and the need for more government programs. The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her professors had to be the truth and she indicated so to her father. He responded by asking how she was doing in school.

    Taken a back, she answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, and let him know that it was tough to maintain, insisting that she was taking a very difficult course load and was constantly studying, which left her no time to go out and party like other people she knew. She didn't even have time for a boyfriend, and didn't really have many college friends because she spent all her time studying.

    Her father listened and then asked, 'How is your friend Audrey doing?' She replied, 'Audrey is barely getting by. All she takes are easy classes, she never studies, and she barely has a 2.0 GPA. She is so popular on campus; college for her is a blast. She's always invited to all the parties and lots of times she doesn't even show up for classes =2 0because she's too hung over.'

    Her wise father asked his daughter, 'Why don't you go to the Dean's office and ask him to deduct 1.0 off your GPA and give it to your friend who only has a 2.0. That way you will b oth have a 3.0 GPA and certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of GPA.'

    The daughter, visibly shocked by her father's suggestion, angrily fired back, 'That's a crazy idea, and how would that be fair! I've worked really hard for my grades! I've invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work! Audrey has done next to nothing toward her degree. She played while I worked my tail off!'

    The father slowly smiled, winked and said gently, 'Welcome to the Republican party.'
    PharmD
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