Poll: HOW DID YOU GET YOUR BIG ARMS?

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by pudzian2 View Post
    ohhhhh da beebab......yea man. Im going to do this:

    1-Im going to train quads with triceps and
    2-Hams with biceps.
    (the compound movement for the larger muscle first)...the more muscle fiber I activate the more growth. Arms grow proportionally, so I need to put on weight and size to get them to grow. I will use my slin 3x per week after each of those workouts and also after my chest workout.

    I think training a lagging part with a large muscle group will help stimulate growth
    Now isn't THIS a familiar philosophy

    Over the past 6 weeks, I've reluctantly been running HST routines. Honestly, I was bored out of my mind until I put the tape on my arms. I gained 1/4 to both arms while dropping about 1-2% bf (I'm guessing by looking in the mirror but I haven't technically gotten the skinfolds redone yet). Supplements include a run of the mill nha stack.

    Anyway, I run 1 warm up set then 2 working sets and just 1 exercise per muscle group per session. If you're not familiar with HST, you perform 3 full body workouts per week... so only 6 working sets per week. Sounds puny but it's fantastic so far.

    In HST, you use the "progressive load" theory with TUT. The progressive load is what makes TUT work. I ran TUT with MaxOT style routines and I got strong but fat without much lean mass gains. Some there is some good reasoning behind TUT but only seems to be under specific circumstances.

    Edit: Now that I think of it, that 1/4 inch just got me to 17 inches so I'm not sure how much weight my advice carries in this department


  2. Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    Now isn't THIS a familiar philosophy

    Over the past 6 weeks, I've reluctantly been running HST routines. Honestly, I was bored out of my mind until I put the tape on my arms. I gained 1/4 to both arms while dropping about 1-2% bf (I'm guessing by looking in the mirror but I haven't technically gotten the skinfolds redone yet). Supplements include a run of the mill nha stack.

    Anyway, I run 1 warm up set then 2 working sets and just 1 exercise per muscle group per session. If you're not familiar with HST, you perform 3 full body workouts per week... so only 6 working sets per week. Sounds puny but it's fantastic so far.

    In HST, you use the "progressive load" theory with TUT. The progressive load is what makes TUT work. I ran TUT with MaxOT style routines and I got strong but fat without much lean mass gains. Some there is some good reasoning behind TUT but only seems to be under specific circumstances.

    Edit: Now that I think of it, that 1/4 inch just got me to 17 inches so I'm not sure how much weight my advice carries in this department
    hey man. yea familiar they are. BTW everyone, i credit Celc for helping me with training. great advice. it really works. i mean its weird and f'ed up becuase if you just work biceps you will not obtain big biceps necessarily. the body won't want to grow them just make them stronger..... but if you squat, deadlift, bench press, dip and row, in conjunction with some arm work, they will be sure to grow. damn...luckily I've been doing these core movements since the beginning.

    as for HST. I have tried it once. I didnt give it a fair shot. I think I did it for 2-3 weeks. my first go around wasn't too successful. I actually felt like I got smaller. (then again I pudzified the routine and probably over trained). The workouts are much harder than they look. anyway i may give it another go around......

    and celc: nice work with that 1/4 in! doesn't sound like much but for arms thats significant! good work bro
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by pudzian2 View Post
    then again I pudzified the routine and probably over trained
    I was doing EXACTLY the same thing when I first started following HST with my own tweaking and such. I started making adjustments by the end of the first week and I reluctantly moved more TOWARD the HST "rules" rather than my own. I'm still not sure that I totally buy all the theories that this philosophy throws at you but I'm happy with how it's helping me break through a plateau body comp wise.

    I have a feeling that it will be more successful the second time around with more lean mass with more sound preparation in terms of gauging each RM more accurately. Weights were a lot lighter for power moves because of a mild work injury in October... in a sense, HST was my rehab program

    I've been tossing around the idea of using HST for lagging body parts in conjunction of more traditional routines for my phera cycle in January

  4. Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    I was doing EXACTLY the same thing when I first started following HST with my own tweaking and such. I started making adjustments by the end of the first week and I reluctantly moved more TOWARD the HST "rules" rather than my own. I'm still not sure that I totally buy all the theories that this philosophy throws at you but I'm happy with how it's helping me break through a plateau body comp wise.

    I have a feeling that it will be more successful the second time around with more lean mass with more sound preparation in terms of gauging each RM more accurately. Weights were a lot lighter for power moves because of a mild work injury in October... in a sense, HST was my rehab program

    I've been tossing around the idea of using HST for lagging body parts in conjunction of more traditional routines for my phera cycle in January
    to me the ideal use of HST could be when we want to avoid over training by all means...such as PCT. I wonder if it will help one maximize gains on gear (if using mentzer's theories to an extent. less training more rest, harder training per workout). I mean i dont see most pros using these methods. The old school style training seems to work best with gear for obvious reasons. beat urself up in the gym.. take recovery drugs.....

  5. I'm going to start adding an am day to my routine. Now, I just have random ass days when I lift and do random exercises. On weekends, I'm goign to add an arm day, just to see if it helps.
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  6. Get strong. Heavy bench work, heavy lockout work. Triceps are such a huge part of the arm and neglected often by those that maintain they aren't powerlifters/etc. Everyone needs bigger triceps, it's the right thing to do. Mine are about 19-1/4" cold and relaxed.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Chance1253 View Post
    Get strong. Heavy bench work, heavy lockout work. Triceps are such a huge part of the arm and neglected often by those that maintain they aren't powerlifters/etc. Everyone needs bigger triceps, it's the right thing to do. Mine are about 19-1/4" cold and relaxed.
    nice bro. yea bigger tri's make the arm so much bigger than trying to focus on growing biceps. Plus you are right. I've starting doing alot more compound work like deads, squats, (cant flat bench becuase it doesnt get along with my joints), but shrugs, incline bench etc. I've noticed its the best way to get strong as ****, and to build overall mass. I mean thats the only way the arms will grow. Its good to isolate them a bit to, but you cant get them to grow disproportionately to the rest of your body by isolating them.

  8. Blast Your Brachialis For Arm Mass
    Bob Myhal
    The brachialis is an upper arm muscle that runs from humerus to the ulna . . . the majority of the brachialis is therefore under the biceps. This is significant because intelligent training and the subsequent growth of the brachialis will not only add mass to the arms, but also will actually push the biceps peak higher.

    This isn’t to say that just training the brachialis will result in the big guns you’re looking for, as some would have you believe. As usual, the truth is a bit more complex than that.

    You see, the brachialis is a relatively small muscle. The biceps is certainly bigger; therefore, in some respects it’s the overall shape and size of the biceps themselves that gives you that awesome front upper arm look that most everyone in the gym is after.

    Some of this has to do with intelligent training and not overtraining (which is easy to do with arms), some with genetics—certain bodybuilders are just born with the potential to develop the high peak shape of the biceps that most of us are after.

    But if you’re neglecting the brachialis in your training, you’re likely not getting nearly the type of arm development you should be.

    I like to do some targeted brachialis training either with or immediately following my direct biceps work. I generally alternate between my three favorite brachialis exercises—standing hammer curls; seated, incline hammer curls; and low-pulley hammer curls with the rope—from one upper arm workout to the next.

    As you can probably tell, I’m a big fan of hammer curls—I absolutely love the movement, and when performed properly it can add mass and shape to the upper arms like nothing else. Reverse grip curls also hit the brachialis . . . though I tend to feel the bulk of the stress with reverse grip curls in the forearms and usually save them for my forearm training. [Note: Reverse grip curls can put a lot of stress on your wrists, so I don’t suggest them for anyone who’s had a wrist injury or any significant wrist pain].

    Here’s some brief detail on the three hammer curl movements that make up the bulk of my brachialis training:

    Standing Dumbbell Hammer Curls

    I do these a little differently than most to really maximize the stress on the brachialis. In a standing position, grasp moderate weight dumbbells in each hand. Begin with your arms extended down in front of your body, palms facing in towards your thighs. Perform the movement by alternating arms. Curl your right arm up across your body. Keep your palm facing your body at all times. At the top of the motion your right arm should be directly in front of your left shoulder (for added emphasis, you can supinate your wrist by turning your palm up towards the ceiling in the top position). Now lower your right arm slowly to the starting position and perform the movement with your left arm.

    I generally work in the 6-10 rep range for each arm, and I prefer to use moderate weights on this exercise and really do the movement slowly, concentrating on form throughout.

    Seated, Incline Hammer Curls

    Sit on an incline bench with about a 45° angle with dumbbells in each arm and arms fully extended at the side. Keep your palms facing in towards the bench. Make sure you keep your upper arms as still as possible while you curl the dumbbells straight up. Your wrists should remain locked in position with the palms facing in towards each other. Remember, this is not your standard dumbbell curl where you actually want to supinate the wrists extensively—keep your palms locked in the hammer position here.

    This movement can be done by alternating arms—as with standing hammer curls—but with the seated, incline version I prefer to work both arms simultaneously in a nice, steady rhythm.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Hank Vangut View Post
    Blast Your Brachialis For Arm Mass
    Bob Myhal
    That's a good read.

    I like to train back and forearms... ie EZ reverse curls and DB hammers (elbow flexion exercises where biceps is less of a focus)

    then I have a seperate day for lats and bis... ie BB curls and incline OR preacher curls.
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    I do the classic tri's with chest and bi's with back but throw in an arm day. for the bi's i do 2-4 lifts depending on how the tendons feel. 1-2 high rep low wieght after 1-2 low rep high wieght.

    for low rep/high wieght:
    flat bar curls 3 sets 8 reps
    hammer curls 3 sets 6 reps

    for high rep/low wieght:
    cable curls (using pull down rope) 4 sets 15 reps then til failure on the last set

    concentration curls (with dumbbell) 4 sets 12 reps or failure


    i'm not that good of testiment to size seeing as how i started college at 6'1'' 155lb and am now only 200lbs 4 years later but my arms are right at 17" where i seem to be stuck. hopefully the superdrol i'm on now helps that tho
  11. Thumbs up Vince Gironda Drag Curl


    Vince Gironda Drag Curl



  12. I don't see the benefit of that style, I imagine it involves more forearm work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteelEntity View Post
    I don't see the benefit of that style, I imagine it involves more forearm work.
    If you do them palms down it hits the forearm.

    The benefit is that all of the work is done by the bicep proper. The shoulders (which to some extent come into play on normal curls no matter how strict you make the movement) are not activated and at the top of the movement at the contraction the biceps are under stress because the elbows remain back (again unlike normal curls).

    The reason you don't see more people doing them is that you must use a bit less weight then traditional curls. Also the negative portion should be sloooow which really fatigues those biceps...most guys don't like the pain.

    It is difficult to visualize what a great exercise this is until you have tried them...then you understand.

    I posted this because I was thinking back to a time many years ago when my biceps where stalled at just under 18 inches and I made no progress no matter what I did despite the fact that I was making great gains everywhere else. It was very frustrating...in fact my triceps where growing so my biceps must have actually been shrinking!

    Fortunately I discovered Vince Gironda and tried out both his "perfect curl" and the "drag curl" and man did they work, especially the drag curl. My biceps began to grow again and thanks to Vince they hit 19 inches (no cheat just flexed and measured straight around) w/ single digit bodyfat!

  14. i once say a youtube video of charles glass training big gunter schlierkamp prior to a show. He had G lay chest down on an incline bench with arms hanging. He would then hold on to a bar (EZ or straight) and curl with the arms hanging down like that. I have tried it. It requires using much less weight, but its ALL BICEP.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by datBtrue View Post
    If you do them palms down it hits the forearm.

    The benefit is that all of the work is done by the bicep proper. The shoulders (which to some extent come into play on normal curls no matter how strict you make the movement) are not activated and at the top of the movement at the contraction the biceps are under stress because the elbows remain back (again unlike normal curls).

    The reason you don't see more people doing them is that you must use a bit less weight then traditional curls. Also the negative portion should be sloooow which really fatigues those biceps...most guys don't like the pain.

    It is difficult to visualize what a great exercise this is until you have tried them...then you understand.

    I posted this because I was thinking back to a time many years ago when my biceps where stalled at just under 18 inches and I made no progress no matter what I did despite the fact that I was making great gains everywhere else. It was very frustrating...in fact my triceps where growing so my biceps must have actually been shrinking!

    Fortunately I discovered Vince Gironda and tried out both his "perfect curl" and the "drag curl" and man did they work, especially the drag curl. My biceps began to grow again and thanks to Vince they hit 19 inches (no cheat just flexed and measured straight around) w/ single digit bodyfat!
    I love Gironda's stuff. He had some wacky ideas, but damn if it doesn't work. He was ahead of his time and was the 'go to' guy for lots of people.
    “Besides, it is a disgrace to grow old through sheer carelessness before seeing what manner of man you may become by developing your bodily strength and beauty to their highest limit.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xodus View Post
    I love Gironda's stuff. He had some wacky ideas, but damn if it doesn't work. He was ahead of his time and was the 'go to' guy for lots of people.
    Even his diet built muscle..."eat eggs your body needs the cholesterol to build muscle" he'd preach throughout the 60's, 70's, 80's...

    Today studies show he was spot on:

    Researchers out of Kent State University investigated the effects of a high (2.6mg/lb) and low (1.6mg/lb) cholesterol diet during a 12 week weight-training program. After 12 weeks the subjects consuming the higher cholesterol diet increased muscle mass by an average of about 5 pounds and increased strength by almost 90 percent, while the lower cholestrol group did not show any increases in muscle mass and gained only about 35 percent in strength. - from: Riechman SE, Dietary and Blood Cholesterol and Statins Increase Hypertrophy with Resistance Training, FASEB Journal 2005 19 A1571

  17. Quote Originally Posted by datBtrue View Post
    Even his diet built muscle..."eat eggs your body needs the cholesterol to build muscle" he'd preach throughout the 60's, 70's, 80's...

    Today studies show he was spot on:

    Researchers out of Kent State University investigated the effects of a high (2.6mg/lb) and low (1.6mg/lb) cholesterol diet during a 12 week weight-training program. After 12 weeks the subjects consuming the higher cholesterol diet increased muscle mass by an average of about 5 pounds and increased strength by almost 90 percent, while the lower cholestrol group did not show any increases in muscle mass and gained only about 35 percent in strength. - from: Riechman SE, Dietary and Blood Cholesterol and Statins Increase Hypertrophy with Resistance Training, FASEB Journal 2005 19 A1571
    very interesting... steak and eggs baby!

  18. Quote Originally Posted by pudzian2 View Post
    very interesting... steak and eggs baby!
    Hell yeah. I always love the looks you get when you order a hamburger steak and 8-10 fried eggs.

    There was a time when I was eating over a dozen eggs a day for WEEKS at a time.
    “Besides, it is a disgrace to grow old through sheer carelessness before seeing what manner of man you may become by developing your bodily strength and beauty to their highest limit.”

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Xodus View Post
    Hell yeah. I always love the looks you get when you order a hamburger steak and 8-10 fried eggs.

    There was a time when I was eating over a dozen eggs a day for WEEKS at a time.
    Eggs are cheap so I eat lots of em to. Usually 8 a day.

    Getting back to arms. Doing reverse grip tricep push downs using a flat bar has added some really nice definition to my arms. It's a good idea to wrap your wrists while doing them though since it is kind of awkward.

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  21. Quote Originally Posted by pudzian2 View Post
    SO....who doesnt want big arms?

    how did you get yours?

    -infrequent training
    -more frequent training
    -how many sets per bi's or tri's
    -what other muscles do you train them with vs. training them together
    -training intensity
    -volume
    -weight (heavy or lighter)
    When I first started it was high volume (15+ sets) and I worked bi's with back and tri's with chest.

    I made decent gains then plateau'd

    My arms EXPLODED when I started supersetting bi's and tri's.

    My workout:

    Preacher curls
    Superset<
    (3 sets each) Close grip bench

    Alternate curls
    Superset<
    (3 sets each) Overhead 2 hand DB tri xtn


    Concentration curls
    Superset<
    (3 sets each) Tricep pushdown (one or two handed)


    For biceps, if I could get MORE than 6 reps on the last set of any given excercise...it's too light. Raise weights next workout. Concentration curls you can go a little higher...perhaps 8-12 reps. Make sure you squeeze the $H!t out of each rep though.

    For triceps if you can get more than 10 reps on the first two exercises its too light. For pushdowns I like to do no more than 15 but no less than 10-12. For the one handed version I like alternating each rep protonated and supinated grip. That'll give you a pump you wouldn't believe.

    Notice total volumes:

    Biceps-9 total sets per week
    Triceps-9 total sets per week


    Sets are taken to extreme failure since volume is low. Trust me, if you think its too heavy you're probably being a wuss. I actually used to get nauseous doing this. As the weight is very heavy use good form and listen to your body because elbows aren't known for being the most stable joint in the human body.

    I went from 13" arms to 19" arms in about 2 years doing this routine (all natural I might add).

    All this being said, diet is important as well as recovery but you probably already knew that.

    Happy training!

  22. Quote Originally Posted by Thixotrope View Post
    When I first started it was high volume (15+ sets) and I worked bi's with back and tri's with chest.

    I made decent gains then plateau'd

    My arms EXPLODED when I started supersetting bi's and tri's.

    My workout:

    Preacher curls
    Superset<
    (3 sets each) Close grip bench

    Alternate curls
    Superset<
    (3 sets each) Overhead 2 hand DB tri xtn


    Concentration curls
    Superset<
    (3 sets each) Tricep pushdown (one or two handed)


    For biceps, if I could get MORE than 6 reps on the last set of any given excercise...it's too light. Raise weights next workout. Concentration curls you can go a little higher...perhaps 8-12 reps. Make sure you squeeze the $H!t out of each rep though.

    For triceps if you can get more than 10 reps on the first two exercises its too light. For pushdowns I like to do no more than 15 but no less than 10-12. For the one handed version I like alternating each rep protonated and supinated grip. That'll give you a pump you wouldn't believe.

    Notice total volumes:

    Biceps-9 total sets per week
    Triceps-9 total sets per week


    Sets are taken to extreme failure since volume is low. Trust me, if you think its too heavy you're probably being a wuss. I actually used to get nauseous doing this. As the weight is very heavy use good form and listen to your body because elbows aren't known for being the most stable joint in the human body.

    I went from 13" arms to 19" arms in about 2 years doing this routine (all natural I might add).

    All this being said, diet is important as well as recovery but you probably already knew that.

    Happy training!
    supersets are definitely where it's at for arms

  23. Spider curls are great for really nailing the biceps...kicked me out of a really PITA plateau

  24. At my biggest, my arms were about 21". It's surely genetics but I trained infrequently and most of my mass came from (believe it or not) concentration curls. So, yes - I'm more than likely just genetically lucky.. I don't do ANY barbell curls (due to injury). These days, I do more alternating dumbell curls than anything.

  25. well I have 19 1/2 arms and I have to say that I train arms like twice a week lots of super sets and negatives.
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