any ideas for upper pecs?

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by russy_russ View Post
    I perused through the articles. We could go back and forth endlessly, so there is no real reason to continue this debate as it will not change either of our conception of exercise physiology. I have respect for others which oppose my own beliefs, but I do not advocate their findings when I, myself, have found them to be incorrect.
    The second part is true,we could. I did not say peruse though. I said read. I highly doubt that you researched the references I left.These are factual studies by superiors in your education,experience and fields of study.They have hard data to back up their claims. I have yet to see hard data to back up yours. Perhaps you can submit in your next post a PDF. file of the studies that you have conducted,how and in what way you went about it. With which machines and what the results were.Where and with whom so that all can see any opposing data that exists and make an informed decision based on the comparison. Was any of your work published? Perhaps I can find it and post it myself.
    P.S. One study by yourself is hardly objective science.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by bonscott View Post
    No doubt the pause at the bottom stretches, and is the key in my opinion to feeling it in the muscle. I mean do a couple of sets that way, you will be sore in your UPPER pecs moreso than ever!!!
    I honestly feel lowering the weight down slow with a pause before exploding up has increased my bench dramatically. In December I posted a youtube vid of me incline benching 300 2 reps and now a week ago I flat benched 370 and inclined 330 5 reps. I'm not really maxing anymore but trying to do the most weight for reps for a strength contest me and some friends are going to do.
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  3. Pushups with your feet higher than your head. Seems to me they'd be called decline pushups but...Exhaust front delt like what was said earlier. I usually do body weight exercises after workout, like an exhaustive set.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by WhatsaRoid? View Post
    I honestly feel lowering the weight down slow with a pause before exploding up has increased my bench dramatically. In December I posted a youtube vid of me incline benching 300 2 reps and now a week ago I flat benched 370 and inclined 330 5 reps. I'm not really maxing anymore but trying to do the most weight for reps for a strength contest me and some friends are going to do.
    Nice numbers,.. the negative is where the growth happens, then explode up!!! I'll get there someday!!!
    Think training's hard,. try losing!

  5. Im doing inclines right, im just not seeing much growth, at all, strength is going up a bit. Maybe I should change the reps. Im trying that low pulley crossover tonight tho. Ty

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  6. Quote Originally Posted by TheLastRonin View Post
    The second part is true,we could. I did not say peruse though. I said read. I highly doubt that you researched the references I left.These are factual studies by superiors in your education,experience and fields of study.They have hard data to back up their claims. I have yet to see hard data to back up yours. Perhaps you can submit in your next post a PDF. file of the studies that you have conducted,how and in what way you went about it. With which machines and what the results were.Where and with whom so that all can see any opposing data that exists and make an informed decision based on the comparison. Was any of your work published? Perhaps I can find it and post it myself.
    P.S. One study by yourself is hardly objective science.
    I wouldn't post information solely based on my own research. I've read countless articles on research studies which have obtained similar results to my research. Those also come from people higher in educational experience than myself at the present time (PhD).

  7. Thanks for the guys who actually had suggestions. The other dudes, I hope you can resolve your differences. Either way, were all brothers.

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  8. Quote Originally Posted by Sinon View Post
    Thanks for the guys who actually had suggestions. The other dudes, I hope you can resolve your differences. Either way, were all brothers.

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    did you get a decent upper pec workout this time?

  9. To be honest yes I did. I didn't even have to wait till the next day to be sore. Tomorrow is going to be fun. Lots of stretching

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  10. awesome! that's all that matters.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Joshua86 View Post
    Research done by exercise scientist often contradicts things bodybuilders have proven in the gym. But this can go both ways. As far as I'm concerned, what matters should be the bottom line. What I'm wanting to know when I undertake something is whether or not I'm going to get results out of it, regardless of what's happening from a physiological standpoint. If it works it works, if it doesn't, it doesn't.

    I'd go as far as to say that regardless of what experts in the field of exercise physiology say, incline presses are here to stay. There are a lot of people who swear by it. You could even say that the people who swear by incline presses could have achieved the exact same level of (upper) pectoral development without them, but regardless, no one is going to convince the masses that incline movements are useless all together.

    The best way to figure out if something works for you is to try it for yourself. If you see results from including incline presses in your routine, do them. And if you think you don't need them, don't do them.

    Doesn't seem too complicated to me

    i have only been doing declines lately. it is seems to be the most natural pressing movement for me. upper pecs are growing too. i never got much out of inclines had to use less weight + the rom hurts me shoulders.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by russy_russ View Post
    I wouldn't post information solely based on my own research. I've read countless articles on research studies which have obtained similar results to my research. Those also come from people higher in educational experience than myself at the present time (PhD).
    Post the research please in a PDF. format for all to see. I'm not stating that you're wrong in actuality, just that I believe you are based on the materials that I have read and my own experience,which is varied and long.I would like to see the reports that you have, perhaps you can post the EMG data that is contrary to the data I posted. Dr. Jose Antonio is well known and respected in his field also a PhD and is the worlds foremost expert on the subject. http://www.joseantoniophd.com/website/index.php
    Did you read his books or articles? He has done significant research and study to come up with his conclusions. I don't feel like I am debating you or arguing, I just want opposing data to compare where two tests, testing for exactly the same thing come up with different answers more than one time(of which I have yet to see or read any). It seems odd to me, that standard scientific testing,that is widely accepted could be in such contradiction to one another during the same type of testing.
    Regards,
    Ronin

  13. [QUOTE=Sinon;1872238]Thanks for the guys who actually had suggestions. The other dudes, I hope you can resolve your differences. Either way, were all brothers.

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    Theres nothing wrng with a healthy debate lad.

    Seriously, try the exercise I mentioned though, tell me how you like it.

  14. Pullovers for the pectoralis minor can add thickness to the pecs so I would include this exercise if you are having trouble building your pecs. Someone mentioned pre-exhaust which imho is one of the best ways to build a lagging chest. Any angle of crossovers, dumbbell flies or pec deck will pre fatigue the chest but you must immediately start your benching movement when you reach positive failure on the isolation movement. If done correctly the pecs will fail before the anterior delts and you will easily be able to feel the difference. In addition if you are a delt presser squeeze your shoulder blades together while driving your shoulders into the bench and down towards your hips. Hold this position while you bench and you will find your delts are less involved. Big thing here is not to lift your shoulders as you press the bar up. Like already mentioned I never found an angle of more than 30 degrees to be of any use.
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