[pistonpump]

i hear you bro. There are probably alot of blown up numbers out there and although i dont keep track of numbers i still know my range and im still reluctant to post. Im not the strongest guy for my size, hell i cant even bench 315lbs yet without a spot. But in all honesty its not about how much you lift if youre not a powerlifter, bodybuilding is just about that, ...body-building... so whatever weight you use to build and it works for you than there is no problem with that.

[big poppa]

I'm in Sorrento, about 45 mins west of Daytona. I am about to start a similiar cycle. Trenbolen, winadrol and 1,4 AD BOLD. Gonna follow your lead on dosages. So this is going to coincide with your military training?

[avgBdybldr]

Originally Posted by big poppa

I'm in Sorrento, about 45 mins west of Daytona. I am about to start a similiar cycle. Trenbolen, winadrol and 1,4 AD BOLD. Gonna follow your lead on dosages. So this is going to coincide with your military training?

good luck w/your cycle. gonna follow my lead uh? sounds good. just hope i don't lead you down a path of destruction, lol.

yeah, i have to go do some job training. this isn't anything like basic training. it will be more of a typical college student schedule: classroom 7 to 4, some PT (cardio) 2 - 3 times a week, nights & weekends free for whatever.

[avgBdybldr]

Originally Posted by pistonpump

i hear you bro. There are probably alot of blown up numbers out there and although i dont keep track of numbers i still know my range and im still reluctant to post. Im not the strongest guy for my size, hell i cant even bench 315lbs yet without a spot. But in all honesty its not about how much you lift if youre not a powerlifter, bodybuilding is just about that, ...body-building... so whatever weight you use to build and it works for you than there is no problem with that.

but that's completely cool that you realize it. most people are going to be surprised that i don't use the normal flat bench, just a smith machine. i've learned some training techniques that help me grow on it vs trying to balance the flat bench, plus my left shoulder kills me on a normal flat. (that's why i'm hoping the super ciruss will help).

[big poppa]

cool, so you will still have strength to train...

[cufootball72]

Subbed... I know what you are saying about the numbers and such... We uncovered a guy just last week on BB that posted rediculous numbers and pictures of an ameteur body builder as his own during his Havoc log. One Question, I have seen some posts about the "sweet spot" does of winadrol (furazadrol) at 200mg. Did you see or read any info that is leading you to start at 50 and only go up to 150, just curious...Good luck with the cycle!

[avgBdybldr]

Originally Posted by cufootball72

Subbed... I know what you are saying about the numbers and such... We uncovered a guy just last week on BB that posted rediculous numbers and pictures of an ameteur body builder as his own during his Havoc log. One Question, I have seen some posts about the "sweet spot" does of winadrol (furazadrol) at 200mg. Did you see or read any info that is leading you to start at 50 and only go up to 150, just curious...Good luck with the cycle!

thanks for the subb, and welcome.

so to answer your question, i haven't really read any threads about winadrol/furazadrol. my dosing schedule basically came from a combination of my experience of loading other PH's and the recommendation off of the bottle. at 60 caps a bottle, and 50mg per cap, 200mg isn't going to last me the 4 weeks. i will, though, keep an open mind about changing the dosing, since, this is the first time i am running it.

[avgBdybldr]

earlier today i said that i was going to start posting workouts next week to establish some baseline strength indicators for this log. well, i thought hell, why don't i just start today.

here is the shoulder workout from this afternoon/evening:

DB Military Presses:
30's x 15
45's x 12
80's x 10
85's x 6
75's x 9 drop set 45's x 8

DB Lateral Raises:
30's x 9
30's x 9
35's x 7 + 1 partial
25's x 10 drop set 15's x 6 + 2 partial

BB Upright Rows:
95 x 10
115 x 8
115 x 6 + 2 partial

Hammer Strength Military Press*:
45 plate each side x 24
45 plate each side x 17 + 1 partial

*this exercise was intended to help saturate the shoulders with blood.

Cardio:
hit the treadmill. jogged first 1/2 mile at 5.5mph - jogged second 1/2 mile at 5.0mph - walked 1/4 mile at 3.5mph. Total time was 16:04

[pistonpump]

i do alot more volume than you and that is with high intensity as well. Im assuming your intensity is also high?

So do you do extra high rep work on you last excercise each day you weight train? Sounds effective.

[cufootball72]

Originally Posted by pistonpump

i do alot more volume than you and that is with high intensity as well. Im assuming your intensity is also high?

So do you do extra high rep work on you last excercise each day you weight train? Sounds effective.

I have to say I like the responce rate so far. I love when people really utilize their log. That does sound effective, I use drop sets and have been using higher reps latley because I am no longer concerned about strength (for now since I am done with football and I am trying to cut). I may give that a try after some more research.

[pistonpump]

Originally Posted by cufootball72

I have to say I like the responce rate so far. I love when people really utilize their log. That does sound effective, I use drop sets and have been using higher reps latley because I am no longer concerned about strength (for now since I am done with football and I am trying to cut). I may give that a try after some more research.

yeah, so far its a good log and the cycle hasnt even start yet! im thinking by hitting them in the 20+ or - rep range during your last excercise would get the blood really going there leaving you with a pump as you leave the gym to go home. As soon as you get your post workout nutrition in then bam its feed to the muscle better (just theory).

[avgBdybldr]

yeah, i'm not much of a lot volume guy. i normal get in, hit it hard, and get out. i haven't/don't always add the high rep exercises at the end of a workout, but it is something that i am going to start adding in for a while to evaluate. i'm starting to like that theory of breaking the fiber down with some heavy weight early, then just pounding the blood in there at the end of the workout. we will see how it goes.

i am glad to read that you are enjoying the log already to this point. that is motivation. i like knowing that when i'm working out, i am going to have to go post my numbers; makes me wanna work harder.

[pistonpump]

then get those numbers up pu55y! lol j/p

[avgBdybldr]

alright. woke up this morning and was ready to pop some support supplements. not sure how i'm going to dose them all yet, any advice is helpful. before breakfast, i took the supper cissus, 150mg of milk thistle, and 100mg CoQ10. this afternoon, i'll take the other 150mg of milk thistle and hawthorn. tonight, i will take the other supper cissus and the SAMe.

when i get back this afternoon, i'm going to do some research on the best time of day for the SAMe intake, this is the first time i'm using it as a liver support.

[big poppa]

Good numbers bro... I have found over the years that it doesnt take the super heavy weight to get results... Form and intensity are the key to good quality muscle. Judging by your stats and pic, you seem to know what your doing and what works for you. Just got my gear yesterday and ready to start. Just waiting on flax seed oil, my buddy says I will need this for better absorbtion, I assume that is why the trenbolen says to take with meals?

[GymRat5972]

Tren pills??? are they as effective as the oil???
Winadrol Pills??? are they as effective as the microionized H20??? Just a couple questions..Looks interesting ill be keeping track...