[tinytony]

Starting log. I started dosing 4 days ago but didn't post anything up here. Sorry about that. But I've only had time for one biceps workout. Renting a new house and all that. 182 lbs at start. I'm 5'11" 10% bf according to my hi tech scale but need to do calipers test because that seems high. I have a very light bone structure with small bone diameter so Ive never had a heavy frame. 125 lbs when I started 12 years ago LOL

[tinytony]

Taking caber .5 mg ED for first 5 days then switching to EOD. Feels good, libido is crazy and NO lethargy yet and definitely on cycle now. Feel pumped and hungry all the time. Pumps are starting to feel like my cycle of Epi and M1,4ADD. I'm dosing 120 ED for starters to load and if it keeps feeling this good and side free ill stay there.

[tinytony]

Next workout tomorrow. Flying today. Guna buckle down and tear it up. Interesting enough though I've went up 3 lbs in the last 4 days and not much training so I have good hopes. I have 3 bottles. Probably run 2

[TaylorSwift]

Next workout tomorrow. Flying today. Guna buckle down and tear it up. Interesting enough though I've went up 3 lbs in the last 4 days and not much training so I have good hopes. I have 3 bottles. Probably run 2

It's probably water.

Subbed.

[tinytony]

It's probably water.

Subbed.

Yeah well glycogen. I'm just saying that its starting to work. No matter what it is I don't gain 3 lbs in 4 days. And I'm laughing about the whole Taylor Swift theme! Good going

[ChefJoey]

It's probably water.

Subbed.

Hahaha yes I love your account

[Wilko]

How many weeks are you looking to run it for?

[tinytony]

How many weeks are you looking to run it for?

Well I'm still on the fence. At 120 ill use 2 bottles in 4 weeks and I have 3 bottles.. thinking about a 6 week run of Tren with Epi thrown in at the beginning of week 6 since I have lots of it

[Wilko]

Might I ask your reasoning behind waiting until week 6 to add the Epi? And at what dose?

[tinytony]

Might I ask your reasoning behind waiting until week 6 to add the Epi? And at what dose?

Just for the simple joys of a longer cycle mainly. No scientific reason. I could start sooner but I fail to see any benefit of one way over the other basically. I have some Stano I may throw in here soon depending on lethargy if there is any.

[Wilko]

Well, Tren+Epi would put you in for some solid shred, but I don't think anyone doubts six weeks at 120mg will still net you some awesome results.

Get swole, killer.

[insanity00123]

Would 6 weeks at 90mg shred me up?

[tinytony]

Well, Tren+Epi would put you in for some solid shred, but I don't think anyone doubts six weeks at 120mg will still net you some awesome results.

Get swole, killer.

Lol I will try! Like I said I'm on the fence about some of this stuff because I'd love to give Tren a solo run for the record but I'm a sucker for a good solid cycle that feels godlike and nets good gains so we'll see:-)

[Wilko]

Would 6 weeks at 90mg shred me up?

90mg for six weeks will drop some bodyfat, sure.
90mg for six weeks + clean diet will drop more.

Diet is king, but the tren will definitely help get you there faster.

[insanity00123]

Thanks man, Im a little tight on money hahaha im in college

[tinytony]

Chest workout done. Only flats and inclines today since I haven't had a chest workout in two weeks. Feeling weaker because of that and topped out at 255 for 6 reps hitting chest each time. Felt really good ,my endurance is lacking due to no hardcore recently. Pumps were really good. Its been 2 hrs and still pumped a little. Good vascularity

[tinytony]

Back workout down also today. Have nothing to do except train so that's what I'm going to do. Nothing crazy as far as weight goes just tried to get a brutal pump.

[tinytony]

Thought I should add this in.
Supports (as needed) since this is non methyl so far.
TUDCA
ALA
AI Sports Cycle Support
Niacin
Fish oils
Multivitamin

Have PCT of Nolva, Aromasin, DAA, 6 Bromo

Some people say no Nolva around a Tren cycle but that is controversial and three is some evidence to the contrary according to some threads on here.

[TaylorSwift]

Thought I should add this in.
Supports (as needed) since this is non methyl so far.
TUDCA
ALA
AI Sports Cycle Support
Niacin
Fish oils
Multivitamin

Have PCT of Nolva, Aromasin, DAA, 6 Bromo

Some people say no Nolva around a Tren cycle but that is controversial and three is some evidence to the contrary according to some threads on here.

Toremifene has studies proving it doesn't effect progesterone reception.

[tinytony]

Toremifene has studies proving it doesn't effect progesterone reception.

So saying that Tamoxifen shouldn't either right? They work the same

[tinytony]

Traps and shoulders. Two warm up sets. Then sets of 95-115-135 at 15-15-13 reps. First two sets to failure and the last was failure on 12 and forced rep at 13. Very short rests of 30 seconds and half of the reps on first two working sets were behind the head presses. Then moves to delts raises with 20 lb dumbbells and burned out with 10 pounders. Focus was intense short workout for pump and burn and I got that. Workouts early in the day arent my thing. Work out was short but no excuses. I am back to my routine and I'll be hitting them more than once a week and so workouts may be shorter. Next time will be more volume tho.

[Bodock]

Looks promising so far!

Are you using RC caber?

[tinytony]

Looks promising so far!

Are you using RC caber?

That's correct. Seems to be working but time will tell

[Hyde]

Nolva will make prolactin based gyno harder to control as it should theoretically promote it, but if you have caber you believe is legit already (although I've been advised Caber isn't stable in a liquid solution so RC prami is the way to go if RC) then you could deal with that in pct.

I'd get the epi going now - length of cycle, not necessarily intensity, seems to be a bigger contributor to shutdown, and longer shutdowns are often attributed to expedited hpta burnout. As in, keeping cycles as shorter blasts will make pct recovery faster and keep you away from the need to be put on trt for longer.

[tinytony]

Nolva will make prolactin based gyno harder to control as it should theoretically promote it, but if you have caber you believe is legit already (although I've been advised Caber isn't stable in a liquid solution so RC prami is the way to go if RC) then you could deal with that in pct.

I'd get the epi going now - length of cycle, not necessarily intensity, seems to be a bigger contributor to shutdown, and longer shutdowns are often attributed to expedited hpta burnout. As in, keeping cycles as shorter blasts will make pct recovery faster and keep you away from the need to be put on trt for longer.

Caber is capsule form.. I don't want to start epi yet because its a sort of test run of how this Tren works. If you get me. I usually restart very quickly from Nolva. So far I don't feel shut down which I find odd. I mean I haven't tested but the boys absolutely aren't shrinking and they usually at least are getting soft by this point. No signs yet. My last cycle I did was fairly lengthy and I restarted so fast my PCT pumps and workouts were crazy and strength was awesome 2 days in. I as on Nolva AND Aromasin tho. Sweet combo in my opinion. Seems best for optimum anabolism

[Hyde]

Sounds like you have a plan, make it work for you!

[tinytony]

Sounds like you have a plan, make it work for you!

Yeah I always have a plan, however lame it may be! But I appreciate all info and advice man. I store it up and use as I can.

[tinytony]

Biceps today. EZ bar curls 3 sets wide grip 60-80-90lbs 15-12-11 reps followed by narrow grip 90 lbs 2 sets of 13 and 12.
Seated alternating dumbbell curls 30 lb dumbbells. 10 reps each arm on first set and 8 each arm second set.
Then two sets of reverse grip easy bar curls at 60 lbs. 15 reps and 12 reps.
Kept rests very short and went till I could not complete another full rep on each set. This does not include my two warm up sets..
Pumps were crazy and fairly vascular. I added Stano in 1.5 days ago but wasn't feeling lethargy anyway so I'm contemplating dropping it. I'm shredding so any weight I gain is muscle mass or glycogen storage at this point. Definitely no fat gain. Didn't weigh today tho. Will this weekend

[tinytony]

I believe in shorter workouts 30-40 minutes with short rests. Sometimes 25 minutes. Seems to keep cortisol away and I don't overtrain this way if I rest enough days. Seems to always be good gains or maintenance depending how I train if I keep it short. Longer Burns me out a bit. I'd rather do shorter workouts more often than longer ones once per week each muscle group

[Hyde]

Dude your on anabolics, cortisol is no longer an issue on cycle - 25 is not enough time to build any kind of muscle or power, you need more rest between sets for that. All you're doing with 25 min burnout workouts is roasting calories. Hopefully the tren will help you hold your muscle while doing that but you shouldn't see any gains, just fatloss.

But you prob already knew that lol