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  1. Ya.....I didn't like the results my BF caliper was saying I was getting. I felt it didn't do me justice. That's why I took pics to put in my log. Don't like going by the scale weight either because water weight fluctuates daily....even more so since I'm dirty bulking so to speak.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by threeFs View Post
    Day 24
    Also this morning, I was just kind of angry at the gym. I don't know how else to describe it, but it was awesome.
    This is one of my biggest fears with taking a PH. I lift at the gym at work and I have to bite my tongue on a regular basis as there is a bunch of douchebaggery abound. I'm scared that this will be a bit like alcohol... removing the inhibitions. Next thing you know, I'll be fired.

    That said, I'd like to hear more on this if you have any other info by chance?

    Quote Originally Posted by threeFs View Post
    Day 27
    That handheld body fat thing said 17% this morning. But those things give you a different answer every time, so whatever. I'm sure it's a decent ballpark estimate.
    In my experience (take that for what it's worth ), those things are horrible. I own an old Omron unit and it's quite a way off from what I have been professionally pinched at. Bottom line, I wouldn't get too caught up in the numbers whether from one of those things or a friggin DEXA scan. At the end of the day, the mirror tells a better story.

    I gotta agree with Ep... you have some quality delt development going on there.



    Also, I was trying to follow your daily intake since you mentioned that you are using an IF protocol (is that still the case btw?). You mentioned shooting for 2600 calories. Is that a weekly average? (ie. total up the week divide by 7... Also, I threw a few of the numbers below, hopefully it's useful to you).

    Day 6 - 2863 calories
    Day 7 - 2346 calories
    Day 8 - 2515 calories
    Day 9 - 2375 calories
    Day 21 - 3120 calories Beast Mode!


    BTW, big friggin props on this...
    Quote Originally Posted by threeFs View Post
    I've lost almost 70 lbs and 11 inches from my waist a couple years ago from very low carbs...
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    Day 28
    This was me today. The chains weigh 65lbs for the pair, so total weight was 185+65 for 5 sets of 7. Then lots of triceps work. Since upping the Havoc I really feel awesome. Did I say I feel awesome? Because I feel awesome. Strong, crazy vascular. These veins in my arms and shoulders are like pipes. Awesome. Then lots of abs work. My watch froze and I didn't pull the battery until later. But I lifted for almost 90 minutes. I didn't want to stop. And this is with no PWO drink, just some weak coffee, like 6 oz.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by threeFs View Post
    Day 28
    This was me today. The chains weigh 65lbs for the pair, so total weight was 185+65 for 5 sets of 7. Lots of triceps work. Since upping the Havoc I really feel awesome. Did I say I feel awesome? Because I feel awesome. Strong, crazy vascular. These veins in my arms and shoulders are like popes. Awesome. Then lots of abs work. My watch froze and I didn't pull the battery until later. But I lifted for almost 90 minutes. I didn't want to stop. And this is with no PWO drink, just some weak coffee, like 6 oz.

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  5. Quote Originally Posted by loafy777 View Post
    This is one of my biggest fears with taking a PH. I lift at the gym at work and I have to bite my tongue on a regular basis as there is a bunch of douchebaggery abound. I'm scared that this will be a bit like alcohol... removing the inhibitions. Next thing you know, I'll be fired.

    That said, I'd like to hear more on this if you have any other info by chance?



    In my experience (take that for what it's worth ), those things are horrible. I own an old Omron unit and it's quite a way off from what I have been professionally pinched at. Bottom line, I wouldn't get too caught up in the numbers whether from one of those things or a friggin DEXA scan. At the end of the day, the mirror tells a better story.

    I gotta agree with Ep... you have some quality delt development going on there.



    Also, I was trying to follow your daily intake since you mentioned that you are using an IF protocol (is that still the case btw?). You mentioned shooting for 2600 calories. Is that a weekly average? (ie. total up the week divide by 7... Also, I threw a few of the numbers below, hopefully it's useful to you).

    Day 6 - 2863 calories
    Day 7 - 2346 calories
    Day 8 - 2515 calories
    Day 9 - 2375 calories
    Day 21 - 3120 calories Beast Mode!


    BTW, big friggin props on this...
    Thanks man!
    Soooooo many douchebag trainers at the Lifetime I go to. And they always try to copy my sh*t with their lame classes. Don't even get me started because I get fired up about it easily.

    For the calories, I use my fitness pal. I have it set for -2lbs/week so that puts my calories at 1850. When you add in the exercise calories, that's how I ate those numbers you put up. I play around with the intermittent fasting. I have 60 grams of protein shake at 4am before I workout. Then again at 7 when I'm done. I don't eat again until a chicken breast around 12-1. I seem to be eating most of my calories from about 3pm-7. after being so fat, I will never be like that again. Eating 1.5-2g protein/lb body weight has not inhibited strength at all, and the low carbs doesn't really decrease my energy while working out. If I feel like my carbs are affecting my performance, I will just up it a bit, but usually never over 100g. About once a month or 5 weeks or so (when I feel like I need it), I will eat a ton of pizza for the carbs. Otherwise my (low) carbs are from almonds and vegetables. Every once in awhile I will have a bun on my burger or french bread with my salad but that's only if I feel like I need a little carb boost, which is maybe 1-2 days/week.
    I hope that answers what you asked
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  6. Haha I put this in epstaneman's log but I wanted it in my own log for to make me laugh later on...

    Where'd m'balls go???
    Haha
    Saturday I think, will be my new rest day. Too many weekend warriors in the god damned way at the gym on Saturdays. Getouttathefknway! Go do your bicep curls somewhere else besides in the squat rack!!!!! Plus all the lame "boot camp" bullshiz full of soccer moms with their lame trainers who don't even lift. Corporate ass Lifetime fitness can get my (small) nuuuuttttzzzzzz!!!!!

  7. Lol!!!! I hear u bud. I'm the same way. I was joining a gym one time and this rail of a prick after he does my bio and I tell him I'm a competitive Powerlifter tries to sell me PT. I'm like really? U don't workout! I do pt myself! I have a coach! And warm up with your max so ah pick to letters, how about an F and a U to start. Lol

    This is y when I moved to the country I created my own extensive gym so I don't have to deal with that crap. Hell I can train nude if I want or just lay it into the GF between sets and no one can say boo! And it's my music! No one is taking my weights. **** this one time I'm setting up for DBP and wing but asks me. U using those ? I'm like no they r only in my fn hands to pass them to u dolt!

    Ugh!!!

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  8. I hear ya man. One day I will have that setup. The only reason we joined there is for the child center, so my wife and I can lift together.

    Last night, my wife was reading muscle and fitness. She was looking at me and says, "You look like the guy in the magazine. Are you still taking creatine?" I laughed, she doesn't know about the Havoc.
    Today is a rest day. I'm playing around with intermittent fasting today. Today might also be a pizza day. I might fast unit noon then pizza up and then not eat til tomorrow.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by threeFs View Post
    I hear ya man. One day I will have that setup. The only reason we joined there is for the child center, so my wife and I can lift together.

    Last night, my wife was reading muscle and fitness. She was looking at me and says, "You look like the guy in the magazine. Are you still taking creatine?" I laughed, she doesn't know about the Havoc.
    Today is a rest day. I'm playing around with intermittent fasting today. Today might also be a pizza day. I might fast unit noon then pizza up and then not eat til tomorrow.


    Stop hating yourself.

  10. Day 30
    I decided to rest again today. I haven't taken off 2 consecutive days since June. I want to see what happens, how I will get after it for tomorrow's workout. I've been reading so much about training and I am lacking in the rest areas. I was probably overtraining myself. So, I'm fasting again today. Yesterday after I ended the fast around 2pm, I ate like a fat boy. Started off with a double meat pork burrito from the little Mexican joint. Then I ate and ate and ate. I've noticed that I've been over my 1850 calories almost every day in September. That's weird for me. But I do have myfitnesspal setup for -2lbs/week. That's yer problem right there. Must be the Havoc making me eat more. I'm fine with it because I'm over in calories in fat and carbs from almonds, not junky stuff.
    Yesterday's Macros
    2673 calories
    carbs 158g
    fat 139g
    protein 207g

  11. Quote Originally Posted by threeFs View Post
    Day 30
    I decided to rest again today. I haven't taken off 2 consecutive days since June. I want to see what happens, how I will get after it for tomorrow's workout. I've been reading so much about training and I am lacking in the rest areas. I was probably overtraining myself. So, I'm fasting again today. Yesterday after I ended the fast around 2pm, I ate like a fat boy. Started off with a double meat pork burrito from the little Mexican joint. Then I ate and ate and ate. I've noticed that I've been over my 1850 calories almost every day in September. That's weird for me. But I do have myfitnesspal setup for -2lbs/week. That's yer problem right there. Must be the Havoc making me eat more. I'm fine with it because I'm over in calories in fat and carbs from almonds, not junky stuff.
    Yesterday's Macros
    2673 calories
    carbs 158g
    fat 139g
    protein 207g


    Ya... over-training is bad for both muscle gain and fat loss. Gatta get that rest in. I wouldn't worry about the extra calories you've been consuming. I was eating dirty foods like a mofo and having an occasional ice cream and cake.....and you see how I reacted. If anything, since your eating clean, you'll just build more quality lean muscle.

  12. Day 31
    Slept like crap. Only like 5 hours but one of my daughters woke us up. But that said, I had a real good leg workout. Squats at 225 were easy so I did 6 sets of 7. Then 5 sets of walking lunges with 135. Then another set of squats at 135. Then leg press at 400 which was hard but not impossible and then isometric abs. Overall my legs felt outstanding!!!! I burned 721 in 81 minutes.
    The 2 days off and the Havoc had my legs feeling the best they have in a long time.
    Macros yesterday (didn't eat much, fasted until 4pm so 21 hours)
    I will put these in later
    Carbs 85g
    Fat 71g
    Protein 69g

  13. Day 32
    I slept much better. Woke up feeling great. I hit the Havoc @ 30, went to the gym. Row machine for 20. Deadlifts, lots of different rows, BB and DB. Neutral grip pullups +25lbs. L-hangs, reverse hyperextensions, bridge, ab machine. Really good workout. 95 minutes, 915 calories. I feel awesome.
    Yesterday's Macros
    Carbs 98g
    Fat 130g
    Protein 263g

  14. Day 33
    feeling great. Abs looking even better. I did Tabata sprints on the treadmill turned off. 20 seconds sprint, 10 seconds stop x8. I did that 4 times through. Then cable chest flys at different angles and then a bunch of triceps hitting all 3 heads.724 calories in 60 minutes. solid. My triceps were on fire and I kept doing drop sets until they were dead. Then I recovered for about a minute and repeated. I'm pissed that my left shoulder/pec is tight/hurts whatever. That's why I can't do dips. As soon as October 1 rolls around, my insurance switches and I'm going to have my shoulder checked out asap. I love doing dips and before I hurt my shoulder, I could do 3 perfect with a 100lb db hanging from my belt. But today I was relegated to the dips machine at 150, about 150lbs less than my best. Whatever
    Macros yesterday
    carbs 73g
    fat 66g
    protein 308g
    I was under in fat and protein but I was stuffed! weird. I didn't want to force feed so I just left it as is

  15. There's always the assisted dip machine and other alternative exercises. The important thing I've found is to squeeze and contract the working muscle. I've made more gains in my back area switching to the assisted pull-up machine then actual pull-ups.


    Sure I look like a beawtch being assisted....but hey, seeing progress never gets old.

  16. I don't really care how I look to the desperate housewives and chest dominant figgots. I'm just pissed because I used to fkn crank out dips and now I have a limiting factor. But this will not keep me down. It will heal and I will destroy weakness.
    But there is something to be said for slower reps, less weight, and tighter contractions with super strict form. Momentum has its place for some things some times but only for forced reps when you're already cashed.
    Good stuff man

  17. Day 34
    awesome legs day. Warm up for 10 minutes on the stairs with a 70lb barbell. Squats at 225 were easy. 3 sets of 7 easy with axx to the grass. Then a couple sets at 185. Deadlifts with the trap bar today 270 for 5 sets of 7. Then 230 for a couple sets then 140 for 15 at the end. Leg press machine at 200 but super slow eccentric and then explode on the concentric for sets of 8. My legs were on fire. Then quad extensions with single leg and double leg with a good pause at the top. I did a couple hanstring exercises where this guy held my feel and I did body weight on my knees, caught in a pushup, then use as much hanstrings as possible to pull back up. Instant hamstring cramp after 3 reps. So I waited then tried again. Same cramp there. That's fkn tough. Overall, real solid workout today. 712 calories in 85 minutes.

    oh yeah, got small balls!! haha!! Don't really need em right now anyway...whatever, I have 2 daughters and a vasectomy

    Macros yesterday
    carbs 108g
    fat 142g
    protein 319g

  18. Day 35
    1 week left. I wasn't really feeling like working out today.... but I did anyway. I started off doing chest flys and incline bench. Then a bunch of cable fly variations. Then it turned into a shoulders day. I ended up doing 7 sets of 10 handstand pushups, military press, front raises, lateral raises and whatever else. Then abs. 77 minutes and (only) 585 calories. I'm going eat like a fat fokker tonight. Chicago deep dish pizza with extra sausage. Tomorrow I'm not working out either. Probably just sit around and eat more pizza.
    I am thoroughly impressed with this Havoc and dermacrine. Strength is way up, abs and veins are popping out. Totally a great experience. I'm already thinking about my next cycle, even though it won't be until probably January.
    Macros Yesterday
    Carbs 93g
    Fat 162g
    Protein 383g

  19. Save me a slice buddy I'll b right over lol

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  20. I just maxed out my belly. 1/2 a large and its only 4pm. The idea is to Max out and stop at about 6pm, fasting after until about 2 tomorrow. But I'm not sure I can fit/eat anymore today

  21. Day 36
    rest day

    I couldn't eat as much pizza as I wanted to. I was so GD FULL! Last time I ate 3/4 of the thing and this time I could only get down 1/2. I stopped eating at 6pm and fasted until noon today, so 18 hour fast. A little afternoon delight and I'm just hanging out

    macros yesterday
    Carbs 74g
    fat 181g
    protein 243g

  22. Day 37
    Legs day. It's funny for me to watch dbags do MOAR BENCH and then they have little chicken legs. HAHA Fuggitzzzzzz!!!! push all day, never pull and never legs because they "hate leg day"

    NO, F THAT. I LOVE LEG DAYS. I TRAIN MY WEAKNESSES NOT MY STRENGTHS.

    So I warmed up on the stairs for a few minutes. Then 4 sets of a2g squats @135 for warmup. Then walking lunges with 135-->155 for 5 sets. Then MOAR SQUATS up to 225, then back to 185 then 135 to cash em out. Then leg press machine, single leg @150 then reps at 410. Then just to see [email protected], the whole stackeroo.
    Beast Mode. I wish I could do legs again tomorrow!!!
    623 calories in 64 minutes
    Macros Yesterday
    Carbs 111g
    Fat 160g
    Protein 189g

  23. Day 38
    As I approach the end of this cycle, I decided to condense a few days and bump up from 50mg to 60mg. I'm ready to start drinking PWO drinks again and also get my nards back. So looks like 2 more days at 60 instead of 4 at 50.
    The rest of the log coming later. I ate over 1lb of beef yesterday and I'm trying to move it along here...haha

    So I could have taken today off... hard working out with a belly full of meat. Anyhow, I ran for a 1/2 mile then hit bench up to 250. My GD shoulder isn't that comfortable and it's limiting my bench. When my insurance switches to PPO on October 1, I'm going to get it checked out. It's been jacked up for basically 2 months now. Whatever, so I should be able to hit 275 for 3-4 reps but today I went to 250 for 2. Then 3 sets of 225x7. I hate to say it but I might use the smith machine to go heavier since there aren't really any spotters available at 5am. Do whatcha gotta do
    Then I ran another 1/2 mile and then hit the decline bench. That position hurt my shoulder the most but I got 3 sets of 250x6, 3 sets of 225x8 and 3 sets of 135x10
    Total was 608 calories in 64 minutes.
    I just hit the Havoc for my second dose of 60mg. Looking forward to tomorrow's back workout



    Macros Yesterday
    Carbs 124g
    fat 159g
    Protein 318g

  24. Already the end of the cycle? Damn.....always a sad day. Been a good run.....let us know how the 60mg go's. 45mg was working wonders for me...probably wouldn't even up it when I run it again.


    Soon as my bloods show my hormones and liver are recovered I'm jumping back on the Epistane train. lol

  25. Upping to 60 isn't necessary but I'm ready to end this mission and I don't want to have any leftover. Only 3 days @ 60, shut down is shutdown but for recovery I'm really depending on this torem!! Heard great reviews but never tried it.
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