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  1. Well my before pics are the ones I took for the Mucle & Fitness forum competition. I took those on the Saturday before I started the cycle. I weighed 175 at that time.







  2. 8/17/2004 evening weight: 196

    Just abs and calves, all bodyweight stuff. Nothing strenuous; my lower back was killing me.

    8/18/2004 morning I forgot to weigh myself.

    I think the 1,4andro just kicked in with a fury. I don't know what else could cause my appetite to go through the roof like it just has today. I just had some breakfast, a protein bar, and 3 donuts and I'm still twitching for more food. I'm going to pix up a protein shake and see if that puts a dent in me. If not, then this will hopefully mean I can stop force-feeding myself.
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  3. 8/18/2004 Back day:

    Underhand Bent over row: 4 sets, final set 6x230
    Lat Pulldown: 4 sets, final set 6x195
    Underhand Closegrip Pulldown (Chin-downs): 4 sets, final set 8x195


    My elbows are starting to give me grief. i.e. they now ache steadily and moreso during a workout. The final set of chindowns was very painful. For chest tomorrow I'll be wearing elbow wraps.

  4. 8/19/2004 evening weight: 196

    Chest day:

    Barbell Flat Bench: 4 sets, final set 4x275




    Bad news -

    My right elbow now has a constant intense ache. I had to cut the workout short because the exercises became far too painful to continue. I could have done more reps if it hadn't been for the pain. I'm not sure if it is the joint itself that is damaged or if it is possibly my tricep. Either way, I'm pissed now because I have to rest and thus can't take full advantage of the cycle for the next week. I'll continue with the dosage scheme as planned though. But I'm not going to do any exercises which involve my arms in any way. So I'll do legs on Monday, and Abs/calves on Tuesday, but no back/biceps and no chest/triceps. I think I might use the lateral raise machine at some point and possibly the flye machine since neither puts any strain whatsoever on my elbows.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Nullifidian
    8/19/2004 evening weight: 196

    Chest day:

    Barbell Flat Bench: 4 sets, final set 4x275




    Bad news -

    My right elbow now has a constant intense ache. I had to cut the workout short because the exercises became far too painful to continue. I could have done more reps if it hadn't been for the pain. I'm not sure if it is the joint itself that is damaged or if it is possibly my tricep. Either way, I'm pissed now because I have to rest and thus can't take full advantage of the cycle for the next week. I'll continue with the dosage scheme as planned though. But I'm not going to do any exercises which involve my arms in any way. So I'll do legs on Monday, and Abs/calves on Tuesday, but no back/biceps and no chest/triceps. I think I might use the lateral raise machine at some point and possibly the flye machine since neither puts any strain whatsoever on my elbows.

    Sorry to hear that. Do you supplement any joint stuff? Do you remember any time where you didn't warm up before lifting heavy recently? Injuries really piss me off even when they happen to other people who are making good gains. Hang in there and get some glucosamine, chondriotin sulfate, MSM, and a good collagen supp. Hope that it heals soon.
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  6. I've been taking Glucosamine and Chondroitin for at least 4 or 5 months now. 1500mg/1200mg respectively. Not taking collagen, is it any good? Not sure what MSM is, it sounds familiar though, I might know it's full name but can't think of anything that fits that acronym atm.

    On closer inspection of the pain, I think it might actually be tendonitis rather than a joint problem. As for not warming up, that could be it. I only did 1 warmup set the when I did back/biceps this week. It was a crappy super light weight too.

    I'm pretty pissed at this problem. I've never broken the 300 mark on barbell flat bench and I was kind of hoping to do so on this cycle.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Nullifidian
    I've been taking Glucosamine and Chondroitin for at least 4 or 5 months now. 1500mg/1200mg respectively. Not taking collagen, is it any good? Not sure what MSM is, it sounds familiar though, I might know it's full name but can't think of anything that fits that acronym atm.

    On closer inspection of the pain, I think it might actually be tendonitis rather than a joint problem. As for not warming up, that could be it. I only did 1 warmup set the when I did back/biceps this week. It was a crappy super light weight too.

    I'm pretty pissed at this problem. I've never broken the 300 mark on barbell flat bench and I was kind of hoping to do so on this cycle.

    http://www.msm.com/ArticleDetail.cfm?AID=19

    Collagen is the reciever for the enzymes in Gluc/chon. Hyaluronic acid is supposed to be easier for the body to absorb and replace collagen in the joints.

    one thing that I noticed with the Gluc/chon is that if I take a liquid or gel cap instead of a pressed pill, it seems to work much better.....absorbtion??

    I've also tried EMU oil for similar tendon pains with great success. You have to rub it in the joint/tendon area really hard every night (sometimes morning too).

    I get the extra strength EMU oil and MSM form this site
    http://colloidalsilversolutions.com/ The easiest way to order is to send an e-mail and then Paypal him. There is no shopping cart on the site but delivery is fast. Otherwise you ahve to fill out some crappy form and snail mail it in

    Hope that you feel better VERY soon!!!

  8. Just a quick agreement on the glucosamine/chondritin combo, as I recently noticed exactly the same kind of results as SJA mentions. I had taken this supplement at 3 grams per day for 6 months or so, without much in the way of noticable improvements in joint pain, and I had a ton of aching joints, including a sore wrist, elbow, and knee. Fast forward to 2 weeks after switching to a gel cap form of liquid gluc/chon and I've seen HUGE improvements in joint mobility and pain levels, to the point where I no longer have any wrist or elbow pain, and my knee is only sore a little bit of the time (this one is more badly damaged due to some stupidity a summer ago, and will likely never quite be 100%).

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Nullifidian


    My right elbow now has a constant intense ache. I had to cut the workout short because the exercises became far too painful to continue. I could have done more reps if it hadn't been for the pain. I'm not sure if it is the joint itself that is damaged or if it is possibly my tricep. Either way, I'm pissed now because I have to rest and thus can't take full advantage of the cycle for the next week. I'll continue with the dosage scheme as planned though. But I'm not going to do any exercises which involve my arms in any way. So I'll do legs on Monday, and Abs/calves on Tuesday, but no back/biceps and no chest/triceps. I think I might use the lateral raise machine at some point and possibly the flye machine since neither puts any strain whatsoever on my elbows.
    That definitely sucks! Hope it gets to feeling better quickly. You did the right thing by backing off. No use risking further injury. Maybe you could get some backwork in by doing some goodmornings etc. Maybe look at some of the specific lifts you have been doing for a long time and see if cumulative fatigue might not be part of the problem. Some lifts I find to be just murder on the tricep tendons.

  10. Bump for status. Are you still on cycle? Healing....hurting???

  11. Sorry for the lack of updates. I haven't worked out; been resting. I should have been posting my weight though.

    8/25/2004 morning weight: 200 pounds

    Had a massive muscle cramp in my inner thigh last night while getting up from the sofa. It took a minute or 2 to get rid of it. This morning my thigh is still very very sore from it. It feels bruised. Not sure what caused it.

    Also yesterday I took a dump. Yeah, yeah, TMI and BFD. The thing is, for the past 4 days I have been EXTREMELY constipated. It appears there is a definite negative side effect to taking large doses of Glucosamine and Chondroitin. The constipation was so bad that yesterday I could barely stand up straight. It prevented me from working out, so I haven't done my leg workout yet this week. When I finally did manage to take a dump, it required so much effort that I broke blood vessels in my upper chest, traps, neck, and face. So now I have all these tiny little red dots all over those areas (thankfully less so on my face though).

    As for my elbow, it's feeling much better. I'm still going to stay off it for the week though. There is a pain that I can almost feel. I guess the best way to describe it is, I don't feel any pain there, but I can feel that if I were to exert too much effort with my arm, then I would feel pain.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Nullifidian
    Also yesterday I took a dump. Yeah, yeah, TMI and BFD. The thing is, for the past 4 days I have been EXTREMELY constipated. It appears there is a definite negative side effect to taking large doses of Glucosamine and Chondroitin. The constipation was so bad that yesterday I could barely stand up straight. It prevented me from working out, so I haven't done my leg workout yet this week. When I finally did manage to take a dump, it required so much effort that I broke blood vessels in my upper chest, traps, neck, and face. So now I have all these tiny little red dots all over those areas (thankfully less so on my face though).

    Not to make light of the situation but BWAHAHAHAH!!

    You need some fiber and water really bad. You're lucky that you didn't blow out yoru *******....really. If you broke blood vessels in your chest I'm surprised that you aren't shaking hands with a hemorrhoid when you wipe. Get a lot of fiber cereal, veggies, metamucil etc going ASAP. And drink a ****load of water to keep things moving along.

  13. 8/26/2004 morning weight: 200 pounds

    Did a mild leg workout yesterday. Just leg press, hip abductor machine, low cable hip abduction, and leg extension. If you're curious about the hip abduction, it's because I need to increase the outer sweep of my quads. While most of the recommendations seem to be close stance squats, close stance deads, close stance hack squats, close stance leg press, etc.

    Well I know that the outer sweep of the quads comes mostly from well developed outer quads, and not from hip abductors, however my hip abductors are definitely sub-par, and I think perhaps they might be the real cause of my lack of a decent outer sweep. They are certainly much much weaker than my hip adductors. Plus I think building my abductors will lead to sympathetic muscle growth in my outer quads.

  14. If you can go back to back on leg press and hack squats, I would try this.

    Go low and together with your feet on the leg press until failure (go for 10 rep failure). Then move them about 6" apart and go again until failure (~6 reps). Roll out of the leg press and place your feet in the med section of the hack squat foot rest with your heels about 6" apart and your toes pointed outward. Remember that you took out most of your quads on the press so don't load the weight too heavy. Try for failure at about 8-10 reps here. You will definitely hit outer quad and adductor (you'll love me in the morning). 3-4 sets.

  15. I don't want to hit my adductors (inner thigh), they are already large. My Abductors are what need help. I always thought abductors are hit more by pointing toes IN, not out.

    As for your plan, I'd love to do that but can't. The leg press is at the company gym, but the squat station/hack squat station is at home. I can't do squats at the company gym because they don't have a rack. I can't do leg press at home because I don't own a leg press sled or machine.

  16. DOH!!! I see that I read that wrong. It's good to see you are back at it again.

  17. 8/30/2004 evening weight: 200 pounds

    Leg day, 8/30/2004

    Close Stance Squats: 3 sets, final set 6x555
    Close Stance Hack Squats: 3 sets, final set 6x485

    A quick note: I definitely could have done more for squats but I quite literally did not have any more room to add weights. I need to buy more 45s. The lever weighs about 25 pounds (the manual says 45, but I figure it's a little lighter), I own 8 45 pound plates, 2 35 pound plates, and 4 25 pound plates. That is what I had loaded. However I'm thinking I could have done more than 600. Another problem though is the fact that my shoulders don't like having that much weight pressing down on them.
    Last edited by Nullifidian; 08-31-2004 at 10:31 AM.

  18. great thread!

  19. YEAH BABY!!! INDIAN FOOD ROCKS!!!

    Had a huge lunch at an Indian buffet today. Results:

    8/31/2004 chest day

    Barbell Flat Bench: 5 sets, final set 315x3!!!!!

    That's right, baby! Not only did I break the 300 mark, not only did I put up 3 FRIGGIN PLATES, but I did it not 1 time, not 2 times, but 3 times baby!

    On the bad side though, my elbow hasn't recovered fully because it hurts again. However, I didn't tempt fate and ended the workout with that 5th set of flat bench.


    NOTE: Until today I had never broken the 300 mark on flat bench. Not even for 1 rep. The closest I had come before today was 285 for 1.

  20. It's awesome, man. Keep kicking ass

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  22. My elbow already feels better. I spent some time stretching my triceps and shoulders and it helps immensely to relive any pain. I don't think it is as bad as 2 weeks ago. I'll take tomorrow off and do Back/Bicep on Thursday or Friday.

    EDIT: forgot to add:

    8/31/2004 evening weight: 202.5
  23. tattoopierced1
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    Awesome job Null....cant wait to break the 300 mark as well...although I have a ways to go. Keep up the good work and let us know how the cycle goes. Also, have you noticed any sides yet?

  24. Close Stance Squats: 3 sets, final set 6x555
    Close Stance Hack Squats: 3 sets, final set 6x485
    Strong Squat. Esp at 200lbs of BW. How tall are you? You look about 5'7-5'9.

  25. Close, I'm 5' 6.5"

    I'm hoping to break the 300% bodyweight squat mark. Post cycle I probably will, since I'll lose a whole crapload of waterweight.

    ANother thing to keep in mind is that this isn't freeweight squats. I'm using a squat station that works via plate loaded lever arm:



    This is probably easier to do than freeweight squats because some of the stabilizers are taken out of the picture. I don't own a power cage though so I can't do free weight squats.

  26. 9/2/2004 morning weight: 201

    My shins are burning! My god they are on fire! Just walking to the cafeteria and back here at work put my shins in agony. OMFG it hurts like a bizatch. It feels like someone pumped 10 gallons of blood into my shins and they are about to explode. Walking in general has been very awkward for the past couple weeks. My lower back, butt, shins, and calves all have a constant pump and when I walk I feel like my butt is sticking out and my steps are really stiff legged.

    Just rolled my socks down and noticed some huge freaky veins sticking out of my shins. I have a slight feeling my red blood cell count is pretty high. I could be wrong; but that's just a guess
  27. tattoopierced1
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    just watch for any signs of turning green...sounds like you are turning into the incredible hulk!!

  28. scary:

    Tonight my nipples are feeling hard and are starting to seem a little puffy. I did not chug my bottle of Nolva though I was tempted. I was on 20mg Nolvadex ED, have upped dosage to 60mg ED (CNW tamox, so 60mg is contains 40mg of tamox). Just ordered some Letro from Lion to be overnighted to me. I was stupid for not having it onhand. I figured with the low conversion of M1,4ADDiol that the resulting amount of Dianabol wouldn't be enough to risk gyno (though I have plenty of Nolva onhand for that). In any case, I'll continue with the Nolva, and when the Letro arrives I'll do 1.25mg ED until the end of the cycle (2 weeks from Sunday).

  29. Got the Letro. Took 5 squirts. I'll take 5 squirts a day for the rest of the cycle to ensure no funny business occurs. Hope my lipid profile doesn't suffer too much.
  30. tattoopierced1
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    how do you take your nolva? I just started taking mine yesterday as my cycle ended and man does it taste nasty. the after taste is what kills me. I have the same CNW tamox. as well but it must be the most god awful stuff I've ever tasted...
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