last 8 weeks of cycle!
- 04-23-2011, 02:38 AM
like this is how i do
chest heavy (barbell bench, heavy dips, heavy flies, heavy incline)
Back heavy(heavy lats, heavy mid/up/low back)
arms heavy(deads done here)
all reps in heavy week are 6-8
chest- sculpting/tut- all dumbell work here with concentrated SLOW movements
back some tut, but mostly higher reps
shoulders- tut- lots of dumbell work here higher reps
arms- super set bi/tris
legs- no squats other movements
I promise you- bodybuilding is not about POWER its way different(this is directed solely at you bbellbeast- as you are not an idiot and have good exerpience this is just a general statement) its about volumization, form, repititions, and lastly strength.
to summerize- i would rather be able to squat 350 12 -15 times than 450 5 times
this comes from a national level competitor- scott bjork who has kinda taken me under his wing- yes he lifts at my gym, and yes im getting pics so IT DID HAPPEN ***S
- 04-23-2011, 02:48 AM
there is only pne problem. conditioning of muscle fibres. the muscle adapts to the highest load and builds a protective layer. this is also known as the rbe, repeated bout effect. very quickly this weight becomes ineffective at traumatizing the muscle so no more growth is happening. lowering the weight will do nothing, no matter how much pump, tut, isolation etc.
the only way to trigger growth is to train above current level of conditioning. it doesnt need to be high and can be partially reversed, so extremely heavy weights are not needed, but lowering weight will result in muscle loss.
it may be a slightly different story on lots of androgens though. after a certain level the rbe is eliminated basically but i am not 100% sure on the science behind that.
- 04-23-2011, 03:17 AM
04-23-2011, 03:18 AM
im sorry, im going to take the word of someone who has their NPC card over anyone on this site- the guy weighs 285 lbs- he is a monster.
key- increase weight with reps=growth
if i can up weight, while keeping reps high- growth occours
04-23-2011, 03:22 AM
i understand. but what i am stating is science. actually in terms of traumatization every rep is the same. thats why custering works.
im sure this competitor has many valuable experiences more than me or others on this board, but the sheer accumulation of muscle tissue in this case is not due to knowledge but genetics, diet, steroids and discipline. surely there are many things necessary for competition other than simply getting bigger since there are many big guys but not many who are good enough to compete.
however, if you feel what you are doing is working then by all means keep doing it, i have also learned to go by intuition rather than by pure scientific facts. also, training should be fun and surely is when training with someone so advanced.
04-23-2011, 05:47 AM
04-23-2011, 08:06 AM
04-23-2011, 12:52 PM
04-23-2011, 05:23 PM
And man, I hate to break it to you... You honestly don't know what you're doing. For how many months you've been on(i lost count) and for how much AAS you've taken, not that great of results. Yeah you've lost weight, honestly you could have done this without AAS, with proper diet/cardio/training.
You seem to think you have all this mass hidden under the fat. But now that it's almost gone, you really don't show much mass. Esp for how long you've been on and how much AAS etc.
Take a look at guys like morry, and quarcus. They made an amazing transformation in under 12 weeks. These guys know what they're doing. You on the other hand have been on for what 6-12 months and what progress have you made? Lost some weight finally? Have you gained any muscle? Doesn't look like it really in the pics. You could have easily done this natty. But instead you pump numerous AAS into your body thinking thats the solution.
So don't put me on blast schwell. I know what bodybuilding is about and am way more experienced than you.
04-23-2011, 06:38 PM
i have actually! My fat is not almost gone sir, i still need 20lbs gone, and as far as lbm gains go- i have actually aquired substantial size- in fact it has given me stretch marks i gained to much too quickly.
so in conclusion: I know your experienced, if i said you weren't then i dont know what I was thinking.
and i must disagree with you in saying i haven't made much progress,
and i must agree with you that in the future i will not use as much AAS
04-23-2011, 06:48 PM
here are cycle progression pics though- well nvm i dont have em on camera ne more but here
these first two are from about 7 months ago
and the last ones are current- so, i am happy with my progress, but in the future i have found i am going to use less AAS either way
ohhh actually here are more pre cycle and som more current
so yes i think i have made good progress sir, on this point i disagree with you
04-23-2011, 06:49 PM
Guess I just took these as a bit disrespectful schwell.
What I see in your pics, I honestly think you could have made this progress natty. I really do. Or in alot less time with ALOT less AAS. See how some of these other guys are working so damn hard. quarcus was doing fasted cardio everyday, not 1 day off from the gym, no cheats ever. What I'm saying is I feel you need to put more work in to get the results you seek and use less AAS.
Thats all. It takes alot to piss me off, and I guess I took your posts the wrong way.
04-23-2011, 06:53 PM
agreed, i should have used LESS AAS, and in the future im going to.
04-23-2011, 07:03 PM
04-23-2011, 07:12 PM
04-23-2011, 07:49 PM
no one apologize for posting their opinions PLEASE. Im not thin skinned, and if someone sais something in a respectful manner, then why should I be upset????
I agree, i should have used less AAS, but I am happy with my results,
Im not going to argue, there is no point. Im not saying i know everything about bodybuilding- thats ignorant, i have alot more to learn no doubt. But im pleased with my body which for me is what it's about....anyways tomorrow is going to be chest/abs/cardio
im doing something new here
im going to do heavy weight with as much reps as i can
talkin 230-240 on bench press for 8 four sets etc
incorperating some new things
cardio is going to be upped to 30 minutes and yuh
04-23-2011, 08:18 PM
rock on schwell
and dont forget to send me the info on the bicep sculpting
Halovar Epol cycle log" PAIN IS WEAKNESS LEAVING THE BODY"
04-24-2011, 01:03 AM
okay, i have had this up my sleave
pct begins in 2 days.
it will be 6 weeks long
i will be saving masteron prop for a future run, when i cycle again it will probably be another cut to really get lean
here is diet/training layout
day 1 chest/abs/cardio
day 2 off
day 3 legs/arms
day 4 cardio
day 5 back/shoulders
diet- on days with weights AND cardio-3000 calories
carbs-150 (from fruits/beans NO GRAINS)
on days with just weights-2800 calories
on off(cardio days) 2500 calories
refeed days are out of the picture- as I now have carbs consistently in the diet there is no need for them
reps will be lowerd to the 8 rep range
diet- fruits, olive oil/almond butter/eggs for fats
protein- chicken/eggs/whey/LEAN beef/fish for protein
CJC 1295 WITH DAC
next cycle- is no sooner than august/september- but probably round OCT.
04-24-2011, 05:58 AM
i dont know why people always refer to morrys results. he does look fantastic and has great strength but if someone on a german forum reads his dosage he would be banned...lol. and he has done lots of stuff in the past, including igf, etc.
granted his cycle was a success and i am in no way trying to critizice, but you have to realize that schwell didnt have the same base.
and yes, schwells cycle was too long, and too many compounds, but he is not stupid, if he doesnt tolerate something he takes it out, as opposed to the people who plan there 12 weeker, get everything in advance and then suffer 12 weeks through tren horror and 4 weeks through clomid emotiona..that to me is much more dumb.
04-24-2011, 11:07 AM
those pics are from longer than 7 months ago you've been on this cycle nearly that long. you started in november
Comic Sans makes me feel gangsta
04-24-2011, 01:11 PM
those where pre cycle ehh, didnt have any previous though
they where like 9 months ago
cycle has been 5 months
i will post bloods i have a pct log going
04-24-2011, 01:48 PM
To me, the changes made were not impressive enough to warrant the 'excessive' use. Excessive being subjective.
A lot of people kept saying "silence the haters" etc as if he was answering queries with sheer results and leading from the front. To me this was not the case, it was more that people gave up on offering opposing views. The results were not enough to silence my concerns, I just stopped entering the thread.
As long as he is happy with the results for the drugs taken then congratulations to him. It isn't to say everyone else would be happy with the same results but that isn't the point.
Continue doing whatever you are doing, best of luck.
04-24-2011, 04:51 PM
next cycle- much more moderate as i had to learn the hard way- gains to infact slow down after about 15 weeks- i suppose it's either the androgen receptor downregulation theory(i say theory because it isn't yet conclusive as to whether or not these receptors become clogged, although in my experience SOMETHING HAPPENS) or the chemical in the body known as myostatin- which regulates growth in a human being kicks in.
next cycle will NOT exceed 16 weeks- probably be around 12 probably keeping it at 12
1-12 test prop 500mg/wk
1-4 anadrol 100mg ed
1-12 NPP 400mg/wk
cycle wont begin til i have shed the rest of bodyfat
no im not cutting in pct- details are in pct log, but after pct I WILL cut with OSTARINE/cjc1295
anyways thanks for following to everyone, and like the britt said, If I am happy, thats all I really care about, im not trying to prove anything, just enjoying the journy AND CONTINUING TO LEARN ALONG THE WAY!
this concludes my first cycle!
04-25-2011, 01:49 AM
04-25-2011, 02:24 AM
04-25-2011, 03:02 AM
thanks bro! ^^^^^ okay so those where pre cycle....
look at me now, packed on NICE mass and cut alot of fat. NO I DID NOT NEED THE AMOUNT OF AAS I USED AND I WILL NEVER USE THIS AMOUNT AGAIN
but i made great progress, and to summerize
i have learned to difficult way More is not better with AAS
dont NEED aas for growth- they just speed it up
here r more post cycle pics
04-25-2011, 12:19 PM
Okay, pic #2 shows some progress! Esp in those legs. But man you got some weird posing brah, need to work on that a little
04-25-2011, 01:51 PM
04-26-2011, 04:26 PM
04-26-2011, 07:04 PM
04-26-2011, 07:08 PM
And too much AAS or not, you're still alive, seem healthy, still able to hit the weights, post about it, etc, so I say THANKS!!!! For doing this kerazy cycle for all to see for ourselves just what happens when a sh!tload of AAS is cycled against almost all advice, and for posting how you felt, how the intensity was, what side effects, etc, and of course the pics.....
Definately a learning experience!!
I give a f**K!!
04-26-2011, 10:06 PM
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