My 8 month, GH/AAS/Igf-1 R3 cycle.
- 08-16-2004, 01:20 AM
- 08-16-2004, 10:41 PM
cost is next to nothing for me as i buy powders. A 16 week test enan cycle is like $5 more than a 4 week prop cycle, lol.
As far as benefits, i do not think a 16 week cutting cycle was necessary. It was meant to only last 8 weeks, but i signed up w/ a certain "trainer," who for some reason decided to put me on a CKD diet even though i was at a pretty low bf% to begin. I followed his plan for 5 weeks which really set me back, as my progress drastically SLOWED. To make up for this, my cycle was extended to get where i wanted to be, thus the 16 week cutting cycle.
For me personally as far as cutting i like 4 week cycles. T-3/Clen for the first 3 weeks stacked w/ fast acting AAS for 4 weeks. Then 1 month of ECA/Y, followed by another t-3/clen/AAS cycle. I feel this is best because most use clen and t-3 for around 3 weeks. Using the AAS to basically spare muscle.
Now as far as bulking, i'd rather use test cyp/enan over prop and run a longer cycle. The gains to me seem so much better.
- 08-17-2004, 12:59 AM
08-17-2004, 01:33 AM
Wasn't bobo, thats one guy who knows what he's doing. Bobo was actually the one who took my hand and helped me completely redo my diet, and basically got me back on track.Originally Posted by TheUsual
No, theres a few reasons why i wont mention names, i'm sure you can understand why.
Last edited by JonBlaze; 08-17-2004 at 02:02 AM.
08-17-2004, 05:21 AM
Ya, I kind of assumed it wasn't Bobo, his feedback has been so great, but I had to make sure because I am thinking about going with him soon.Originally Posted by JonBlaze
Sorry to sidetrack, continue on with the great log
08-17-2004, 10:59 AM
Hey JB notice any vivid dreams since starting the IGF?? i used to get crazy intense dreams when on it...maybee just me....
08-17-2004, 11:12 AM
No i have not, but this is probabaly due to the GH. I fall into a real deep sleep nightly, and wake up completely refreshed and energetic in the morning.Originally Posted by goldylight
What kind of dreams? Like ZMA dreams, those ones used to be crazy for me. Everynight i'd go to bed, it'd be like watching a new horror flick, lol.
08-17-2004, 11:14 AM
Never took ZMA - but the dreams feel so life like it is scary - i would wake up and be confused if it was reality or not. like one example i had a dream my wife was cheating on me - i woke up pissed as hell at her even tho i knew it was a dream - it was still confusing LOL.....Originally Posted by JonBlaze
08-17-2004, 11:15 AM
Oh and BTW the trick you stated of leaving 2IU of air in the syringe to help shake it up works like a ****ing dream - thanks!
08-17-2004, 11:23 AM
Well this morning i decided to up the dosage to 50mcg from 40mcg, not a huge change. Its kind of hard to pull the plunger to 50mcg since i use the 1cc syringes instead of the 0.5cc ones, but i think i'm getting damn close.
Yesterday my girlfriend came out. Basically i ate real bad all day and didn't get anywhere near 400g of protein. I knew i'd be paying for it in the morning, and could have still tried to eat a little healthier than i did, but since i was on igf-1 I wanted to see if it helped keep the bloat belly/****ty feeling off after a cheat day, it doesn't. Oh well, 1 cheat day after 2 weeks isn't so bad i suppose. Today i'm back on track and eating everything when i'm supposed to be eating it once again.
08-20-2004, 08:32 PM
08-21-2004, 01:14 AM
THis is really kick ass.... thanks for makin it so detailed! I am interested in the IGF as Im going to be using it in PCT. Do you ever check your ketones?
08-21-2004, 02:54 AM
Actually i did periodically from day 3-10 several times during the day, i just didn't mention it because i figured no one cared.Originally Posted by Mr.Sparkle
Basically on days i measured, I was showing trace amounts (0<K<5) throughout the day up until my igf-1 injection. This then went to a small amount (5<K<10) around 1.5 hours after my igf-1 injection and remained there until about 6 or so hours after injection. This seemed to be the case every single day i measured, at which point I no longer saw a reason to keep going.
For those of you reading that dont understand the point of this or what the hell i'm talking about, i'll give a quick summary which will be extremely basic at best. Ketones result when the body uses protein as fuel. Basically this means that the body has burned enough fat that it is now now using another source for fuel, more specifically protein from the muscle tissue. You only want to measure a small amount, only enough to show that fat is effectively being burned, which was the case for me while on igf-1.
I also monitored blood glucose levels for 3 days (my fingers couldn't take anymore) if anyone is curious about those number.
Last edited by JonBlaze; 08-21-2004 at 03:19 AM.
08-21-2004, 11:33 AM
I want to see the BG numbers for sure.
Back to ketones, did it make a difference if you bumped up your carbs?
Also I dont remember reading it but are you lathargic in the morning?
Also I thought that some ketostix had BG levels on them? :unsure: I thought I remember reading that some where.
08-22-2004, 06:31 PM
They might, i'm not sure but i've never heard of these. My ketostix didn't have BG stuff on em.Originally Posted by Mr.Sparkle
No i was not lethargic in the morning, this may be due to the fact that i'm on GH.
08-22-2004, 06:41 PM
Nothing really new to report, it seems basically this stuff worked best for me from beginning up until around day 15 or so, the past 4 days i have not noticed a difference in anything. From day 15 until today i had bumped up the dosage to 60mcg, and have not noticed any effects. I find this extremely funny, because normally people say they notice effects until about day 30 or so, and the best transformation doesn't happen until around the 3rd week. For me personally, i noticed the most about a week earlier than everyone else, yet stopped making new progress about a week before everyone else also. I will continue the igf-1 for maybe another 2-3 days, at which point if i dont notice much, i'll come off.
Maybe my calories needed to be upped some more, i'm around 3200 and 400g of protein, but i still think i'd notice a little something even at 3200 calories, especially as far as fatloss.
08-24-2004, 08:10 PM
Came off the igf-1 today. I think i'm gonna drop my calories down to 2700 until i go on cycle. I also took all my measurements since i've started my Gh cycle about a month and a half ago.
Now a quick summary of the igf-1. For me personally i didn't gain 17lbs of muscle and strength hardly increased. My weight went from around 191 to 193.5, yet bodyfat dropped 0.7%, i mainly noticed fatloss in my lovehandles, yet vascularity has improved all over. I'm assuming since i gained 2.5 lbs yet lost around 1.5 lbs of fat, that the net gain of muscle is 4lbs. A 4lb muscle gain and a 1.5lb fatloss is not too shabby for something that lasted 3 weeks. Since i have started my cycle, arms have gone from 17 1/4 to almost 17 1/2. Waist has lost between 1-2/8th". I will only list these two measurements before i know the very exact location i take the measurement. W/ something like my thighs, measuring a cm above or below where i measured last time would give a completely different number, so that is why only the above two measurements have been listed.
My favorite part of this cycle was the fact that after injecting into a bodypart it would stay pumped for around 3 days afterwards. Also vascularity got crazy, as i said before i now have new veins in my thighs and shoulders i had never seen before.
I'll post feedback again in a couple days, stating how well i'm holding on to my gains. I read a thread on another board where the guy claimed he lost all the weight he gained while on igf-1, and also gained back the fat w/o changing anything. Normally i would dismiss this as the person being a dumbass that had no idea what was going on, but the post was made by a very respected bro. I completely trust he did everything the correct way. This is the complete opposite of everything i've read about igf-1 which says usually follows a "what u get is what you keep" mentality. So we will see how my gains hold up for me.
08-24-2004, 08:31 PM
What is your BF? What are your measurements? ie calves, quads, chest, waist and forarms?
And the thread you were reffering too was I posting in it? As if not I would like a link...
I for one cannot wait for IGF... I think with out slin the results are smaller... which is fine by me.
And last but not least I saw you on AR glad youre over there a little too!!!!
08-24-2004, 08:36 PM
bf is around 9% Measurements are all posted in the very first post in this thread.Originally Posted by Mr.Sparkle
And yes u were in the other thread where some said they did not hold on to their gains.
08-24-2004, 09:30 PM
08-29-2004, 10:40 PM
08-30-2004, 12:17 AM
Yes, I have retained all my gains this far, this includes both muscle gained and fat lost.
However vascularity and muscle pumps are gone. By muscle pumps i mean the tightness and fullness i kept a few days after lifting a body part.
As for the GH, i can't say i feel much of ****en anything from it. I never got the numb hands or the needle feelings, or carpell tunnel that most users experience. I mean i know this is a GOOD thing, but at least then i would know at least that its doing it's thing.
08-30-2004, 02:36 AM
A 4 pound muscle gain and 1.5lb fat loss in 3 weeks is pretty good. Good luck with the rest of your cycle.
08-30-2004, 02:53 PM
Not too bad at all, it's always nice to have a compound that helps you lose fat while gaining muscle. I think this supplement would really kick ass in a true 3600-4000 calorie bulk as it would probably keep fat gain to a minimum.Originally Posted by Manu20
09-06-2004, 02:31 PM
Althought my last cycle was 16 weeks, at the 12 week mark, i will be going to the doctor and getting blood tests done. If everything comes back normal, i'm going to go ahead and start my AAS cycle. The date of my blood test will be in about 1 month from today, or more specifically Oct 10th. Since i'm not a newbie to AAS, i'm anxious to see if this cycle will differ greatly from my previous ones, due to the added GH and Igf-1.
The last week has been hell for me. I've been real busy, most days i dont even get home in time to do my full 4iu's of GH, for the past 7 days or so my GH has been 2iu most days, and my diet has been ****, as i haven't been able to eat healthy food and the only option is fast food.
Starting today everything is back to normal. I want a good solid month of dieting and training before i jump back on.
09-06-2004, 02:46 PM
I've also started a new form of periodization training. It's split up between two weeks, 1 week is "POWER" week targeted at strength w/ most exercises in the 4-6 range, and the next week is "REP RANGE" w/ most exercises between 8-10 reps.
Week 1,3 etc will be power weeks, and weeks 2,4 will be rep range weeks. Then every 5th week will be a shock week, consisting of supersets and drop sets only.
I'm doing a 5 day split. For 4 of those days i do 1 major bodypart each day w/ a minor part thrown in. (minor= calves, abs, forearms). For the 5th day i split shoulders and tri's equally.
09-06-2004, 02:56 PM
09-07-2004, 11:59 PM
Followup on the igf-1:
First the bad news.....i lost all of the vascularity i gained and even a bit of muscle seperation i had towards the end of the igf cycle. Most noticeably the seperation between my shoulders and my biceps/triceps. I dicked around for almost a week so that might be the reason i added some fat back on.
Now the good news, i've retained all the muscle and size i gained and it seems pretty permanent, as i have not lost any of it. Although i have lost some of the pump and full bellies, my measurements remain the same as the day i came off cycle.
I'm not waking up in the middle of the night to pee anymore, which is a definate perk, my head and ankles are thanking me. (i always trip on **** in the middle of the night, usually shoes.)
I can't believe it's been 2 weeks already since i've come off the 21 day igf-1 it seems like it's only been a few days, i'll be doing another run a week from today. When i come off, i'll have a week off, then i'll start my cycle for 5 weeks, at which point i'll be throwing the igf-1 back in, giving me a 6 week break.
09-08-2004, 12:03 AM
I almost bumped the Gh to 6iu today, because i'm not noticing too much from it. However, I was convinced by bobo to give it a bit more time. I do realize for some people it takes around 3 months or so to see any results but the way i look at it, i've already spent $500 and not seen anything worthwhile from it, so i'm getting a bit over-anxious.
I plan to run the igf-1 cycle starting next week, and once it's done (4 weeks from today), i'll either decide to leave the GH at 4iu, or bump it up to 6iu. If i do decide to bump it up, my GH cycle will then become a 6 1/2 month as apposed to an 8 month run, but if I notice better results, then i'm willing to sacrifice that.
Last edited by JonBlaze; 09-08-2004 at 12:55 AM.
09-08-2004, 07:06 PM
Blaze you still planning on running your igf during the AAS portion of this cycle? I would like to see if igf is more effective for you on cycle than it is off. Also do you plan on running the igf during pct. I see your running igf months 2-7 but i'm guessing you won't be on straight through.
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