Myopharma Epibolin log (My Epilogue)
- 12-21-2010, 06:31 PM
Myopharma Epibolin log (My Epilogue) Gained 7lbs in 10 Days!!!
Yes this is my first post, and, yes it is lengthy.
This is going to be a flexible plan that I will modify as time goes on.
I have a friend that had great results with IBE Epistane, and I have read a lot about HAVOC, but I got a great deal on Myopharma’s Epibolin, so that is what I went with.
My most conservative plan would be 4 weeks ; 2 Days at 15mg, followed by 4 weeks at 30 mg. The most I would go would be 6 weeks, dosing up to 45 mg.
Like everyone else I am usually very busy with work, family, school, and life in general. I am fortunate that January-February I will have a lot of time off of work to dedicate to diet and nutrition. Due to the nature of my work I might not be able to do another cycle for a long time, probably 4-5 years, if ever. Following this cycle I plan on experimenting with a reduced calorie/carb diet and seeing how lean I can get.
Current Bench ~ 280
BF ~ 7.5%
Previous AAS/PH Cycles: 0
Previous Workout Experience: High School Football, 2 years serious weight lifting, I took about 2 years off, and now I’ve been working out 5-7 days a week every day since March.
General Goals: Bench 315, No Long term damage, no injuries, lower body fat to some degree.
1-1.5 Gallons of Water a day
Daily: 225-275 Grams Protein = 900-1100 Cals
150-300 Grams Carbs = 600-1200 Cals
60-70 Grams Fat = 630
Total Cals= 2500-3000 ~40/30/30
If I am starving or not seeing weight gain in the frist week I’ll bump up to 4,000ish and maintain the same ratios.
Focus is compound exercises. Workout in the AM with an expected duration of 1:15-1:45.
Day 1: Shoulders/Traps: Military Press, Headstand Pushups etc. /ABS
Day 2: Legs: Squats, Deadlifts Forearms culrls etc.
Day 4: Chest/Tris: Bench, Dec Bench, Weighted Dips (etc.)
Day 5: Back/Bi’s: Pull-ups, Chin-Ups, Rows, etc.
Day 6: Cardio, HIIT, Run Stairs etc
Day 7: Repeat Day 1
The easiest way to break down what my intentions is to run though one “ideal day” which is laid out below.
AF=Animal Flex 1 serving
UDO=Udo’s Choice or Carlsons Cod Liver Oil= 1 TBS
CA= 1 serving
Liv=Himylayan Liver Care
T= Taurine,= 1-3 Grams
G=Glutamine- 5 grams
Pro=Propecia =1 mg Finesteride
Cre= 5 Grams ON Creatine
WPI= Whey Protein Isoalte or ON 100%
Mul- Multi Vitamin
Epi- Myopharma Epibolin 15 mg
VitC- Vitamin C 1 gram
Sleep 7-8 Hrs (Hopefully) Cals/pro/carbs/fat
630 Protein Shake/Banana. 300:35/30/3 Supps: AF, Mul, Pro, Liv, CA, C,
800 Bfast, Egg Whites, Tst, 450:35/30/24 Supps: Epi, UDO,
930-1130 Workout- Focus on Compound Exercise+BCAA’s maybe some Gatorade.
1130 PWO Shake 500:50/90/4, Vit C, G, Cre
1230 Lunch: Chick/Fish/Steak 400/50/16/14
1500 Snack: Pro Bar/Milk 500:38/41/19
1800: Dinner Chick/Fish/Steak 400/48/5/8 EPI, AF, Multi, T
2000: Snack: Almonds/Beef Jerkey if needed 200/17/0/10
2200: Casein Shake 480:48/6/14 Supps: UDO
Himalyan Liver Care
I will weigh myself daily, and measure my body fat weekly using both calipers and electronically. I Plan on posting every few days, or anytime something significant happens. I will start the cycle January 9th and will plan on completing it 4-6 weeks later. I will post before/after pics as well as pics if there is any significant mid cycle change.
The items I have questions about are:
1. What is the general consensus about the use of cortisol blocking products?
2. Why doesn’t anybody dose down at the end of the cycle. (e.g. 30mg then 20, then 10)
3. Is there also a general consensus that Creatine should help with the dryness of the compound?
4. Am I missing anything?
Any questions/comments/criticism are welcome.
- 01-04-2011, 09:10 PM
- 01-04-2011, 10:09 PM
I'm running the samething but. On a pulse with a dermacrine base. just started my 2nd week so I'll be interest to see how you make out.
P.s. check out my log called nad's derm/epi cycle
01-10-2011, 02:35 AM
Bp 125/70 Pulse 58
Body Fat Calipers : 7.5%
BF Electronic: : 10.7%
Issues: My left elbow is a little sore, I hope the Animal Flex, an additional 1.5 g’s Glucosmaine, Omega 3 oil, and Carlson’s fish oil will straighten it out.
Workout: Squats, Dead-lifts, Standing Calf-Raises, Jump-rope.
Diet: 300g’s of protein over 7 meals.
Sides: I am starting the cycle acne free. And I took a couple pics of my current hairline. I seem less patient than normal, but I assume it is from something else, or the placebo effect.
Extraneous Info: I decided to start yesterday with 15 mg. Today I took 30.
Of note I have been pre-loading Anabolic Innovations Cycle Assist. Peanut Butter flavor. It tastes like rancid bat feces mixed with tree bark. The taste lingers for a while after you finish it. If it bad taste is an indication of effectiveness then this must be the best supp out there. In retrospect I wish I would have gone with CEL’s Cycle Support so I could have had the pill form. I am going to start mixing in the CS with my post workout shake since it already tastes bad. I actually enjoy my nightly casein shake and I don’t wanted it ruined by the taste of rotted skunk ‘taint.
01-10-2011, 09:57 AM
You no i'm in bro Kill it keep us updated.
P.s. i'll have to take your word for " It tastes like rancid bat feces mixed with tree bark"
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01-11-2011, 02:07 AM
Attached are the before pics.
"Workout": 1 hr of Yoga
Diet: 320 G's of protein, 140g Carbs, 55g Fat
I did legs yesterday (obviously I need the work on them). I didn't experience the DOMS as bad as I usually do. It was an intense workout so I assume it is the EPI doing its job.
Tomorrow is Chest/Tri's I can't wait. I was in a better mood today and but still lethargic. Took a 1 hour nap mid-day, which is unusual, maybe I should have done the dermacrine or DHEA, I assume the lethargy will subside. Then I'll probably bump up the dose.
01-11-2011, 09:38 PM
Issues: Still lethargic
Diet: 280g of protein, 220 Carbs, 65 Fat
Legs still a little sore from 2 days ago. I am still lethargic, took a 1 hour nap today. 3rd Day in a row. I am going to try and get to bed early tonight. I felt weak in the gym today. Probably because I am used to using a Pre-workout prior to every workout, (or a lack of sleep) and now that I have cut it out I am missing the extra energy.
I can’t take the taste of the CS anymore. Over the course of my life I have eaten everything; Alligator, Goat Brains, Live Beetles, Scorpions, Rabbit, Snake, Javelina (which is actually a rodent), Horse, Blood Sausage, Chicken A-Holes, Chicken Feet, Cow- Tongue, Intestines, Stomach lining, etc. etc. I can tell you honestly that the Peanut Butter Cycle Support is in the top-3 worst tasting things I have eaten in my life. It tastes worse then Spicy Sauteed Chicken A-hole but better than Pork Blood Sausage, but not by much. I broke down and ordered the CELs Cycle Assist, not going to toss the CS yet, but it might be inevitable. I will probably bump to 40 mg at the end of the week. Going to take tomorrow completely off and hopefully I’ll feel invincible on Thursday for Back day.
01-12-2011, 08:24 PM
Issues: still lethargic
Workout: Went for an easy 2 mile hike to get some sun.
Diet: 260G pro/230 Carbs/80 Fat
Sides: Just lethargy.
Extraneous Info: I got 8 hours of sleep last night, which is usually more than sufficient and I took a nap for the fourth straight day. I have read in the forums that it is too early to be seeing anything after only 4 days, It could be placebo effect, but I doubt it. I haven’t felt any stronger in the gym. I also read that bumping up the dosage could help with the lethargic feelings, but that doesn’t make much sense to me. Going to check the BP again tomorrow if it is normal then I might take a small dosage of a pre-workout tomorrow prior to doing Back/Bis. I also am going to bump down the calorie intake (out of my protein) until I start seeing some difference in the gym, weight is going up, I doubt it will be up again tomorrow morning, Looking fwd to it kicking in. Saturday I might bump to 35 mg, and probably 40 mg come Sunday.
01-13-2011, 10:35 PM
Blood Pressure: Normal
Workout: Back/Bi’s, Obliques, Forearms,
Diet: Pro/Carb/Fat: 275/220/74 Grams
Sides: Rancid Gas, Minor back-pumps while doing pull-ups, minor lethargy, I took a nap for a 5th straight day.
Extraneous Info: I mixed my Cycle Support with ON “Vanilla Crème” and it helped temper the taste considerably. Certainly not good, but not horrid either. I made my wife try some CS straight and she said that it wasn’t that bad, in retrospect maybe I was just being a b!tch. My gas today was absolutely rancid. I have gained weight for 4 straight days. I have been tracking my weight every day for a year, and four straight days is extremely unusual, but obviously not bad. I am going to double my Taurine intake to 4g’s tomorrow to try and keep the back pumps away, they weren’t bad, but they were noticeable. Checked my Blood Pressure today, it was normal.
01-14-2011, 10:45 AM
That makes me up 7.2lbs over 10 days!!!.
Workout: Went for a 2 hour hike in the AM, Ran Stairs for One Hr in the PM.
Diet: 215/110/90:2110 cals. I bumped down my protein intake today, pretty much by cutting my protein shakes in half and cutting out the milk. I'm not sure if it was the milk or the 50 Gram Post Workout protein shake that was giving me the nasty gas, I'll experiment a little bit more tomorrow. I think I'll leave the milk out and still have a 50g Post WO shake and see if I get gas.
Sides: Minor Lethargy, Nap for 6th straight day.
Extraneous Info: I could feel the pump in my legs while running stairs. My lower back is a little bit sore, going to bump to 5g's of taurine tomorrow to try and stay ahead of the back pumps. It is pretty cheap anyways. I am willing to bet I won't be up any more weight tomorrow. Going to get another good night's sleep tonight and hit shoulders hard tomorrow, followed by Legs Sunday. My buddy is in his 4th week of an Epistane cycle and called me today and said he had some serious shedding in the shower. I have heard Epi can't cause shedding, and that it is bad for shedding. Obviously everyone is different.
Last edited by franklin; 01-15-2011 at 12:20 AM. Reason: am/pm update
01-15-2011, 10:52 AM
Since I am too lazy to list my diet everyday I will list what I ate yesterday which turned out to be a pretty light day since I cut out the milk and halved my protein powder dosage
730: 1.2 Scoops ON Whey, Cycle Support, 5 Grams Creatine, Propecia, Multivitamin, Animal Flex, LIV52,
900: 7 Egg whites, 1 Cup Spinach 1 piece Turkey Bacon
930: 1 TBS Udo’s Choice Omega Oil, 15 MG Epi
1330: ½ Pita Steak, Olive Oil, 1 Cup Spinach
1600 1.5 Cups Almonds/Pumpkin Seeds, 15 mg Epi
1630 ½ Banana, 5 Grams Creatine
1630, 1 Scoop Jack 3d
1800 ½ Banana, 1 scoop ON Vanilla Pro Powder, 10 Grams Gluatmine, CS, LIV 52
2000: 2 Cups Spinach, 8 oz Steak, 1 TBS Carlsons Fish Oil,
2200: 1 Scoop Casein, ½ Scoop NOW Protein Isolate, 1 TBS Peanut Butter, 3 oz 2%milk
01-16-2011, 01:28 AM
Workout: Shoulders, Best workout I’ve had since starting the cycle. 45 mins of shoulders. Seated DB Press x 4 sets, Hand Stand pushups 4 sets, Lat Raises 4 sets, Rev Flys 2 sets.
Sides: Minor Lethargy, First time I didn’t nap in a week.
Extraneous Info: Lethargy is subsiding, felt a pretty good shoulder pump in the gym. No backpumps today. Going to Bump to 40mg of Epi tomorrow for Leg day, also 6g’s of Taurine, then back down to 30 on Monday for rest day. Obviously this is my first cycle so I am going free-style. I am open to hearing any advice or criticism. Thanks for following
01-16-2011, 09:21 PM
Extraneous Info: Today was the best workouts that I have had on Cycle. I ended up doing 5 sets of Squats, because I just had the feeling that I couldn't get enough of them. I think this is the first workout that felt any different since starting the cycle. I am looking fwd to taking tomorrow off. I am going to keep SLDL on Leg day, and bump regular Dead-lifts to Back Day.
01-17-2011, 11:27 AM
Issues: Lethargy is Gone
Diet: : 270/230/83 w/ 40 mg Epi Dosage.
Measurements: Taken this AM
Body Fat Calipers- No Change
Body Fat Electronic- plus .9 %
Extraneous Info: I am losing some flexibility, not sure if it is the rapid weight gain or if I am neglecting stretching. I hate Off-Days I am tempted to go in and just do Forearms. It is a “rationalization” like an addict, so I’ll stay away from they gym for the day. My legs aren’t as sore as I though they would be. Maybe it was the 10g’s of Glutamine, maybe it’s the EPI, or maybe my leg workout wasn’t as good as I thought it was. My wife said I look "bigger" hehe.
Last edited by franklin; 01-18-2011 at 12:23 PM. Reason: Updated end of day diet.
01-18-2011, 12:35 PM
Weight : +6.8
Workout: Today is Chest/Tris :Bench Press, Incline DB Pres, Weighted Dips, CG Dec Bench, Lat Bar press down
Diet: Goal 300/300/60
Sides: See minor sides explained below.
Extraneous Info: I ended up taking 40 mg yesterday, I think I will do 40mg from here out and 30mg on “off days”. Even though the lethargy has subsided I still took a nap yesterday, I had trouble sleeping last night. Not sure if it was taking 10mg at 1800 or if it was my late afternoon nap or possibly something else. Maybe it was the five Rum and Diet-Cokes before bed.
As far as mood changes I am an extremely laid back and extremely patient individual. Since I have started the cycle I have had a feeling best described as micro-anger. In the matter of literally a second something will piss me off considerably, and I imagine smashing my fist through someone’s face. But in less than a second it subsides.
Yesterday I spent about 4 hours researching dermacrine, and considered ordering it, but I decided against it since this is my first cycle and I have a lot of questions about Epi that I want answered. Taking Dermacrine would interfere with my “experiment”.
Legs are sore today. I can’t wait to F’ing destroy my chest in about 2 hours. Hopefully I will start to have the “on” feeling today.
01-18-2011, 01:36 PM
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01-18-2011, 09:26 PM
I intentionally only took 2g's of Taurine for the first couple of days to see what the "Back-pumps" were like. I had them and didn't like 'em. I bumped my Taurine to 5g's when I was taking 30mg's of EPI and then to 6G's of Taurine when I started taking 45mg's and I haven't had any pumps since. I have read Log's where people take 10-15g's of Taurine to keep the pumps at away.
I hate my liver... but not enough to drink on cycle, I was just wondering if anyone was paying attention. I surprisingly don't miss the booze that much, every now and then when my wife has a glass of red wine I am a little jealous but I haven't really wanted to drink. I have been following your log and if I ever do another cycle I also, think I'll do the Dermacrine, Keep up the good work,
01-18-2011, 10:25 PM
Day 10 (cont)
Workout: Chest, This is the first day that I felt stronger in the gym. For example.. Sat down to do incline DB press with 70’s. I thought well, I’ll knock out 5. I hit 5 and had the strength to just keep going. I don’t feel any more aggression or anger, just a little more strength or muscular endurance. I guess I’m finally starting to feel “on”.
I have to space my protein out better, I had some rancid gas again today.
Looking forward to wreckin’ me some Deadlifts tomorrow.
01-19-2011, 07:40 AM
Good job man I start my epi cycle next month for PCT though some recommended arimedexin it has 5 mg of epi in it. I've talked to 3 bodybuilders who have said they have used it as PCT. All of them have told me the epi is different and that you have to ween off of it. I've read a lot of people saying that Its a crap PCT. But people I know have had great results and have not lost any of thier gains. What's you opinion?
01-19-2011, 09:53 AM
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01-19-2011, 11:22 AM
Welcome to AM it is been a tremendous asset for me to in learning about PH's.
1. I am going to assume you are at least 21, right? As you are probably aware if you start taking PH's at a young age can lead to premature closing of your growth plates (stunted growth), increased likelihood of gynecomastia (bitch tits) or even kidney damage or IMPOTENCE!!!
2. Despite doing tons of "research" I'm a PH newb and this is my first cycle. So please keep that in mind when you read my advice. FWIW I have seen 1 episode of House.
3. I am not familiar with Armidexen, but I have asked around about ramping up and ramping down and I have not received any conclusive answers, but my personal opinion (strictly conjecture here) is that it makes sense from a physiological stand point to ease off of the Epi as long as you aren't shutdown. I know that from a physiological standpoint my body does best when I warm up and cool down. The exception to this I assume is if you are shutdown which is more likely if; a: you used heavy does, b: you stayed on cycle for longer than 6 weeks. I think the best symptom of being shut down is that your balls have atrophied significantly and/or you can't get an errection. But impotence is NOT a definitive indicator that your natural test production has ceased. But if you are already shutdown and you have decided to start your PCT then it doesn't make any sense to me to ramp down. Unless someone more well versed in endocrinology than me (which is just about everybody) explains to me why ramping down is a bad idea I plan on ramping down my last few days. Probably 40 mg, 30 mg, 15 mg. PCT.
Remember that the above advice is not empirically proven and is just an assumption from some dude on the net, (me).
01-19-2011, 11:25 AM
01-19-2011, 12:13 PM
Thanks for the reply. I'm 24 years old and this is my first cycle of PH. I just want to make sure I do it right. I have my epibolin, arimedexin, milk thistle and joint support. The three bodybuilders I've spoken to have all suggested this. What you think? Before I start any of this I have a physical scheduled for the 25th of Jan. I just want to make sure I'm healthy. If all goes well I will be starting this in February.
01-19-2011, 01:05 PM
I don't that a routine physical is necessary unless it includes blood work. If you are new to working out then it would make sense, but if you are new to working out you probably shouldn't be doing a PH cycle yet.
The things that you can hopefully get out of your physical should be
1. A baseline blood-pressure/pulse to see how it changes on cycle.
2. Blood work.. This would be helpful to get get it checked again post cycle to see how it changed, test, coritsol, lipid, liver values etc.
I think if you become a routine PH user it would be good to have blood values regularly monitored.
I'm not familiar with armi, does it help with BP? Most people recommend using something to help lower BP, either Hawthorne Berry or an all in 1 supp like Cycle Assist/Cycle Support. Some people say Milk Thistle isn't enough for liver protection but I haven't done enough research on it to talk intelligently about it. Numerous people also recommend pre-loading your Liver support starting 2 weeks prior to the start of your cycle.
Which joint support did you choose?
01-19-2011, 10:53 PM
For joint support I went with animal flex. The Physical is for everything bloodwork for everything. The arimedexin ingredients just google search them as I cannot yet post links or images
01-20-2011, 12:13 AM
Workout: Back/Bi’s: Deadlifts, pullups, Standing Curls etc.
Extraneous Info: I am putting on weight like its cool, I know some of it is water weight, and some is muscle and some is fat. If I keep gaining weight like this I’ll gain 15-20 pounds in 4-6 weeks. If I keep gaining fat this quickly I’m going to bump down the carbs again.
Lethargy- I took a nap again today, I don’t know if it is the EPI or if it is from the additional effort I am putting in at the gym.
Libido- A lot of logs I have read on EPI people have reported an increase in Libido. I haven’t had noticed any change in libido.
I still feel strong in the gym but no aggression. A lot of people start reporting significant gains this week, so I’ll be looking forward to them..
01-20-2011, 11:08 PM
Workout: Off day
Extraneous Info: I can’t believe I’m gaining this quickly. I geeked out and made a chart... it is attached. I cut back the carbs to minimal today and I'll bump them back up to normal again tomorrow.
01-20-2011, 11:19 PM
01-22-2011, 01:44 AM
Issues: Today I had some minor heart palpitations for probably 60-90 seconds. A little disconcerting, but I’m not going to change anything …..yet
Workout: Chest/Tri’s. Bench, Weighted Dips, DB incline press, CG Decline Bench, Tri Press down, Rev Flys, Superset w/ flys.
Diet: Lost count but I am guessing about 325/290/85
Sides: High Blood Pressure.
Extraneous Info: Down a pound today, not a big deal, I know that I am going to kill it the next 3 days, and I am confident that I will be up >8lbs by Monday. I have read a lot of logs that say 40mg is the “sweet spot” and that week 3 is where you see the strength gains, I’m at 40mg and Monday marks the beginning of week 3, I can’t wait.
01-22-2011, 01:55 AM
My main goal is to get my bench to 315lbs. Today I benched
Then after I finished all of my other chest work I went over to the decline to see how many times I could do 225 and only got 5.
Once I get up to 285x5 I might try a 1 RM of 315 at the next workout. If I do that at week 5 of the Cycle I think I'll be happy and start my PCT the following day, If I don't hit it by week 6 then I'll try a 1 RM of 300 and be happy with that. I was originally trying to lean out a little, but I think that is an antagonistic goal to benching 315, so I upped my Carb intake and just trying to get my bench up. I guess my other goals are to experiment and see how my body reacts to a PH cycle, try not to cause any long term damage to my body, and see strength/size gains all the way around.
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