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    Sunclouds 8 week PULSE : LMG + HAVOC


    Start date : OCT 27.

    So here's the plan. I'm going to run Havoc and LMG as a pulse. I've never pulsed before, and I have a closet full of stuff I have to blow through, since I may move back to canada in a year, and I don't think I can smuggle them in. My last cycle ended in march, and was my only cycle (tren xtreme), so my receptors are almost virgin.

    As some of you know, I was in police academy in July, where I tore my meniscus - not surgery worthy, but painful non the less. Had to drop from the academy, which sucked. My strength has declined a lot, since I had to take some time off (2 months), and just started going back to the gym recently. I'm going to spend the next couple weeks getting acclimated with this workout before I begin my pulse. Diet is pushing 7k calories. Yes, this is my bulking diet. Yes, I eat too much. And Yes, my diet is mainly organic, so calories are pretty damned clean.


    ON days :
    AST Multi Pro
    30mg LMG (2x 15mg pills, 1 pre, 1 post)
    30mg Havoc (3x 10mg pills, 2 pre, 1 post)
    3g Fish oil
    2g Flax oil
    600mg Milk Thistle
    450mg Licorice (liver antioxidant)

    OFF days :
    200mg DHEA,
    AST Multi Pro
    3g Fish oil
    2g Flax Oil
    1000mcg B-12 (energy on off days)
    1200mg Milk Thistle
    900mg Licorice (liver antioxidant)

    PCT:
    clomid (if needed) 100/75/50/50 (i have a ton of it, and i'm sure this is overkill)
    reversitol 3/3/2/1
    IGF2 x 6 caps per day (for the L-dopa and keeping strength gains)
    Incarnate

    I also have some P5P and NAC lying around i can add if necessary.

    So here's the plan. I have made 5 workouts that i will use M-F, and will dose my on days as MWF. Here's the workouts, which will be done as supersets:

    MONDAY
    legs/back (Strength, 4 sets of 5 reps)

    squats ATG (feet close)
    chin ups (med grip)
    deadlift to Shrug
    T bar rows (broken machine, subbing in standard rows)
    lat pull down
    SLDL
    SLED (feet wide)
    bent over barbell rows
    donkey calf raises
    neck extensions - AWOL and removed subbed with preacher curls to hit biceps twice a week (weak point training).

    TUESDAY
    chest/shoulders (Strength, 4 sets of 5 reps)

    bench press
    Military Press
    incline bench
    front delt raises DB
    butterfly machine
    side delt raises DB
    Chest Dips
    rear delt raises DB
    Smith Upright Row
    Wide Grip Pullovers

    WEDNESDAY
    bi's/tri's (Time Under Tension, 4 sets of 10)

    dips
    reverse grip preacher curl
    close grip bench
    adding in : skullcrushers

    preacher curl
    Rev. Grip Tricep Pushdown
    leaning forward cable curl
    neck extensions - went awol, so removed
    rope Tricep Pushdown

    THURSDAY
    legs/back (Time Under Tension, 4 sets of 10)

    squats to 90 degrees (toes out)
    pull ups (close / med / wide)
    Sumo Deadlifts to Shrugs
    One arm DB rows
    SLDL
    Close grip Pulldowns
    SLED (feet close)
    straight arm lat push down
    Donkey Calf Raises
    Wide grip Pulldowns

    FRIDAY
    chest/shoulders (Time Under Tension, 4 sets of 10)

    bench press DB
    arnold press DB
    incline bench DB
    cable front delt raises
    Decline barbell bench
    cable side delt raises
    Cable Crossovers
    wide grip pullovers
    cable upright rows
    cable rear delt raises

    Starting this monday the 13th, I will start logging my workouts. Let the madness begin. Thanks for some great advice from the TG and BassGod for helping design the pulse length and stack. PCT is I'm sure overkill, but I'd rather err on the side of caution.

    Goals for this cycle:
    200 pounds by the end of january - and 12% max body fat.
    50 pound increase of my current deadlift (which is currently pretty low, so an obtainable goal)
    major increase in back size.

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    sorry for these pictures. the problem with having someone taller than you take the pictures is you always look short. anyways, here's the two i got before i broke the CF2 drive.



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    good to have you back hman. hows your epi cycle treating you?
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    1 of 10 workouts pre pulse

    if nobody has experienced the sheer misery of doing deadlifts after squats, you're missing out. left knee hurt a bit, lost a lot of leg strength, some upper body strength, but here goes the workout :

    legs/back
    4 sets of 5 as supersets
    squats - ATG (feet close) - 145/145/165/165
    chin ups - BW + 10/20/25/20
    deadlift to shrug - 185/185/185/185
    t bar row - 90/90/90/90
    lat pull down - 100/110/110/110
    bent over rows - 80/80/80/80
    the sled (feet wide) - 410/410/410/410
    neck extensions - 45/45/45/45
    donkey calf raises - 90/115/115/115

    all in all it was a good workout, though damned if my lower body strength didn't drop like hell. left knee hurts a lot, but it will recover - nothing too serious. workout took 32 minutes. no SLDL - stupid me spent a couple minutes trying to figure out what went wrong with my training sheet. will not happen again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by suncloud View Post
    good to have you back hman. hows your epi cycle treating you?
    It went ok, i am in pct right now If I run it again i will start at 40mgs it seems so mild. good luck on the cycle!
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    What is your bodyfat percent at suncloud?
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    about 10.5% body fat. vague abs, very visible vein on my bicep, more so with a pump. i've never broken more than 12% body fat before.
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    2 of 10 workouts pre pulse - OCT 14

    chest / shoulders
    4 sets of 5 as supersets
    bench press - 135/155/185/185
    military press - 95/125/135/145
    incline bench - 135/155/155/155
    front delt raises DB - 20/25/25/25
    butterfly machine 180/200/200/220 (double pulley, 110 real world weight)
    side delt DB raises - 20/20/25/25
    barbell shrugs - 200/200/200/200
    rear delt raises DB - 25/25/25/25
    behind the back shrugs - 185/185/185/185
    smith upright rows - 60/100(too high, 3 reps)/80/80

    wow. i'm a frikken pansy. back in june those were my warmup numbers. eek. hopefully i'll get my strength back pretty quick, and will acclimate to this routine. apparently my workout sheet does not 100% match what i planned out on post 1, so i will correct this tomorrow. workout time 34 minutes
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    3 of 10 workouts prepulse - OCT 15

    DOMS has set in. god my chest hurts like hell. right after my legs started to recover. no pain, no gain - here's the workout

    bi's / tri's
    4 sets of 10 (time under tension), supersetted
    dips - body weight + 25/25/35/35
    preacher curl - 75/75/75/75
    close grip bench - 135/135/135/135 (is this good? never done them)
    reverse grip triceps 100/100/110/110
    leaning forward cable curls 90/90/90/90
    tricep rope pushdown 80/80/80/80 (this is a super slow movement)
    neck extensions - 45/45/45/45
    reverse grip preacher curls 55/55/55/55 (hurts my wrists)

    so i've lost mad strength apparently in my strong suit - tri's. i don't really have much bicep strength to loose, but apparently i still managed to do so. tricep strength has gone down, though not much. i take pride in doing all my workouts on real weight machines - not the double pulley things that make it look like you're lifting a crapload when you aren't. its kind of funny, because the machine i do triceps on is facing another machine. the guy was smirking at me because he was doing the whole stack (150 lbs). little did he know he was on a double pulley machine, and i had him beat by about 40 pounds. if i was in a fouler mood, i would have asked him if he wanted to train in with me, but i kept my temper in check.

    if you haven't guessed, i'm a bit moody right now. probably because my wrists are my limiting factor on my reverse grip tri's and reverse grip preachers, so i'll buy some gloves with wrist supports tomorrow to fix this issue. workout time 28 minutes.

    how in the hell did i loose so much strength on dips?
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    4 of 10 workouts pre pulse OCT 15

    still sore as heck, but my legs and back recovered sometime this morning, so i went back to beat them up this afternoon. here's the damage.

    legs /back
    4 sets of 10 (time under tension), supersetted
    squats to 90 degrees (feet wide) - 135/185/205/205
    pull ups - unweighted 0/0/0/0
    sumo deadlifts to shrugs 185/185/185/185 8 reps on last set
    One arm DB rows - 40/45/45/45
    SLDL - 135/135/135/135
    close grip pulldowns 100/100/100/100
    SLED (feet close) 320/410/410/410
    straight arm lat pushdown 70/70/70/70
    Donkey Calf raises 90/90/90/90
    Wide grip pulldowns 100/100/100/100

    this is the first time i've ever done SLDL. god thats a hard exercise. lowering the weight, i felt my hams ready to burst from the strain. wow. i'm quite happy with this setup so far for workouts, and am absolutely stoked to be trying this with the LMG and Havoc. anyone have any thoughts on whether i should incorporate DC extreme stretching after workouts? i'm tempted to try it next week for gits and shiggles.
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    I'm in buddy!

    Looks well designed my friend. If you need any help along the way, you know where to find me. Good luck with this.

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    thanks brotha.
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    workout 5 and 6 missed.

    eek. friday (workout 5) my g/f went to the ER having all kinds of problems. workout 6 (monday) we went upvalley to Santa Rosa Imaging Center to get an ultrasound done. Stupid hospital here (Queen of the Valley, Napa CA), charges 800 to do it as a walk in, 2k to do it in the ER, but we could get it done at SRIC for $261. thats frikken retarded. so 3 hours on the road to save 500 bucks. worth it? hell yes, but i missed out on some gym time, which really sucks. anyways, thats my whining.

    she's looking at two large ovarian cysts, again. she had this problem last year, which wiped us out of 12k. no insurance for so many reasons:
    1 - allergic to morphine
    2 - allergic to bee stings
    3 - gall bladder removed
    4 - recurring cyst problems
    5 - neck injury costing 1k in meds per month
    6 - post partum depression (chronic) - husband died a few years back
    7 - appendix removed


    not looking forward to the cost, but i'd be happy to see her functioning again. this hospital crap is retarded. especially in a recession, i don't understand why hospital bills never go down. bleh.
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    workout 7 of 10 pre pulse

    chest / shoulders
    4 sets of 5 as supersets
    bench press 185/185/195/195
    Military press 145/145/145/145
    Incline bench 155/155/155/165
    Front Delt DB raises 25/25/30/30 (25's in use, 30's were hard, cheated on last 2 reps by raising calves)
    Butterfly Machine 220/220/220/220 (machine is maxed)
    Side delt DB raises 25/25/25/25 (why is this harder today?)
    Chest Dips Body weight +25/25/25/25
    Rear Delt DB raises 25/25/25/25
    Smith Upright Rows 80/80/80/80 (still quite challenging)
    Wide Grip Pullovers 80/80/80/80

    so next time, i will hijack the 25's when i walk in the door. This workout was really challenging (35 minutes today), and i don't know why it was so much harder. other than going up in weight for bench and incline, i really can't figure out why today was so hard to plow through. probably stress related i think, so i'm glad my g/f is getting taken care of. can't wait to start this pulse.
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    how in the hell did i loose so much strength on dips?[/QUOTE]
    I reason could be that your tris do a lot of work on chest day and by hitting them the next day they have not recovered fully. You might want to re arrange workouts to give them at least a days rest between chest and tri Days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wood23 View Post
    how in the hell did i loose so much strength on dips?
    I reason could be that your tris do a lot of work on chest day and by hitting them the next day they have not recovered fully. You might want to re arrange workouts to give them at least a days rest between chest and tri Days.
    no, its not that. i don't even get a pump on triceps from chest day. i did a bi/tri day after my chest/shoulder day and was doing dips with 80 pounds on me. i've lost it over the summer due to substandard training over the summer (family problems and such). i wasn't expecting to loose that kind of strength though - maybe a 25 pound loss on weights would have been acceptable.

    dumbell chest day is different. i feel my tri's getting a really good pump, hence why i do dumbells and chest at the end of the week. i've never gotten a pump on my tri's after a barbell day. so friday's workout realistically is chest/shoulders/tri's.

    my tri's overpower my upper body. if i can get a digital camera in the gym, i'll post a video to illustrate this point on the tricep machine thing they have.

    EDIT: its a seated dip machine. kind of triceps, but very hard to isolate, since delts, chest, and traps come into play on it.
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    workout 8 of 10 pre pulse

    bi's / tri's
    4 sets of 10 (time under tension), supersetted
    dips - body weight + 35/35/35/35
    preacher curl - 75/75/75/75
    close grip bench - 135/135/135/135
    reverse grip tricep pushdowns 100/110/110/110
    leaning forward cable curls 90/90/90/90
    tricep rope pushdown 80/80/80/80 (very slow)
    reverse grip preacher curls 55/55/55/55

    with the addition of the gloves, my wrists feel much better. still don't feel good, but god, last week i thought they would snap. went up in weights on 2 sets of dips, will try to get a set of 45's in next week, and see how i do. still curious as to if my close grip bench is anything good, since i've only done them for two weeks now. other than that, everything seems good except for two things:

    someone stole the neck extension harness. seriously, who the hell steals this POS equipment?
    someone broke the T-bar machine, which will alter mondays workout next week.

    other than that, everythings coming along. looking forward to going up in weight, maybe the placebo effect from the first week will take me there. next monday can't come quickly enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by suncloud View Post
    1 of 10 workouts pre pulse

    if nobody has experienced the sheer misery of doing deadlifts after squats, you're missing out. left knee hurt a bit, lost a lot of leg strength, some upper body strength, but here goes the workout :

    legs/back
    4 sets of 5 as supersets
    squats - ATG (feet close) - 145/145/165/165
    chin ups - BW + 10/20/25/20
    deadlift to shrug - 185/185/185/185
    t bar row - 90/90/90/90
    lat pull down - 100/110/110/110
    bent over rows - 80/80/80/80
    the sled (feet wide) - 410/410/410/410
    neck extensions - 45/45/45/45
    donkey calf raises - 90/115/115/115

    all in all it was a good workout, though damned if my lower body strength didn't drop like hell. left knee hurts a lot, but it will recover - nothing too serious. workout took 32 minutes. no SLDL - stupid me spent a couple minutes trying to figure out what went wrong with my training sheet. will not happen again.
    Deads after squats are a staple of my compound exercise routine. They are freaking brutal.

    BTW, you might want to ramp up as you move along on your Havoc dosing if you are doing a pulse cycle.... just my two cents.

    I ran Epi ED, so I am interested to see how this goes for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by suncloud View Post
    no, its not that. i don't even get a pump on triceps from chest day. i did a bi/tri day after my chest/shoulder day and was doing dips with 80 pounds on me. i've lost it over the summer due to substandard training over the summer (family problems and such). i wasn't expecting to loose that kind of strength though - maybe a 25 pound loss on weights would have been acceptable.

    dumbell chest day is different. i feel my tri's getting a really good pump, hence why i do dumbells and chest at the end of the week. i've never gotten a pump on my tri's after a barbell day. so friday's workout realistically is chest/shoulders/tri's.

    my tri's overpower my upper body. if i can get a digital camera in the gym, i'll post a video to illustrate this point on the tricep machine thing they have.

    EDIT: its a seated dip machine. kind of triceps, but very hard to isolate, since delts, chest, and traps come into play on it.
    Do some skull crushers for your triceps... you'll build strength and I guarantee you get a pump after barbell bench.

    Skullys to CG Bench press is always a great tricep superset.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GMG760 View Post
    Deads after squats are a staple of my compound exercise routine. They are freaking brutal.

    BTW, you might want to ramp up as you move along on your Havoc dosing if you are doing a pulse cycle.... just my two cents.

    I ran Epi ED, so I am interested to see how this goes for you.
    thanks for your input on my cycle plans.

    here's my thoughts real quick. Ergomax LMG was a 10mg pill, two to four a day was considered a good dose from what i've read. Mine is a clone and 15mg, so i'm taking two. Havoc dose starts around 30mg for good results. When two methyls are stacked, you can use the less is more theory, due to the interactions of the methyls. I may ramp up the dose at week 3-4 if results are slow to come. Until then, i'm trying to play this safe. This is also my second cycle, so i fully believe a fairly low dose would work for me. my receptors are semi virgin, have been clean for over 6 months, and have never seen a methyl. I'm using the Havoc to combat the wetness of the LMG - a pseudo dirtier phera clone from what i gather.

    while i've got you (you still here?), is 135 for close grip bench a respectable amount, or should it be way more?

    supersets play a huge role for me, because it allows my heart rate to jack up into the 150's, which gives me the cardiovascular benefits, while not having to run - win win!!! i'll add in skullcrushers to CG bench superset, since my neck harness thing is currently AWOL. thanks for your input brotha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by suncloud View Post
    thanks for your input on my cycle plans.

    here's my thoughts real quick. Ergomax LMG was a 10mg pill, two to four a day was considered a good dose from what i've read. Mine is a clone and 15mg, so i'm taking two. Havoc dose starts around 30mg for good results. When two methyls are stacked, you can use the less is more theory, due to the interactions of the methyls. I may ramp up the dose at week 3-4 if results are slow to come. Until then, i'm trying to play this safe. This is also my second cycle, so i fully believe a fairly low dose would work for me. my receptors are semi virgin, have been clean for over 6 months, and have never seen a methyl. I'm using the Havoc to combat the wetness of the LMG - a pseudo dirtier phera clone from what i gather.

    while i've got you (you still here?), is 135 for close grip bench a respectable amount, or should it be way more?

    supersets play a huge role for me, because it allows my heart rate to jack up into the 150's, which gives me the cardiovascular benefits, while not having to run - win win!!! i'll add in skullcrushers to CG bench superset, since my neck harness thing is currently AWOL. thanks for your input brotha.
    yea, 135 is respectable for cg bench, but I usually just rep out whatever I am using for my skull crushers... usually closer to just 100-110 lbs.

    I would say 30mg is a good dose ED for Havoc, but later in the cycle you may want to bump it up 10mg. 50mg was the magic dose for me, but I ran it solo and ED. I ran it 20/30/40-50/50/60 for half a week. 60mg was TOO much for me, it ended up making me stop the cycle. I was crazy for trying to take it 6 weeks anyway on my first cycle. I learned it is best to stop while your ahead. I probably would have had similar results if I had stuck at 40mg, but curiosity killed the cat...
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    i'll keep it in mind. i'll bump to 40mg on week 3-4 if i'm not getting the desired results for sure.
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    workout 9 of 10 pre pulse

    I feel like Kenny. I learned something today. Never go up in weights without checking your form. Today, i felt weaker than usual. Went to the gym anyways, and as soon as i started lifting, i felt really strong. bumped up weights in some evercises, tried to go from 135 to 185 on SLDL. then i looked in the mirror and saw my back arched like a frikken cat on set three. wow. talk about prelude to an injury. this exercise in particular, i will have to watch very closely. anyways, here's the workout, with moderate increases on most lifts.

    legs / back
    4 sets of 10 as supersets
    squats to 90 degrees 135/185/185/190
    pull ups - body weight 0/0/0/0
    sumo deadlifts 185/205/205/205
    one arm DB row 45/45/50/50
    SLDL (don't think any set counts except the first) 135
    close grip pullowns - 100/110/120/130
    SLED 410/410/410/410 * see below
    straight arm lat pushdown 70/70/80/80
    donkey calf raises 90/90/90/115
    Wide grip Pulldowns 100/100/110/110

    to note, my form on the sled blew goats. after going up weights in squats and sumo deads, my legs were frikken beaten. probably could have done 390 on the sled in the aftermath of my leg destruction, but 410 was a NO GO unassisted. i will admit that i cheated - i placed my hands on my knees for a combined estimate of 20 pounds of pressure. i doubt i used any more than that.

    i was really unprepared for how much of a beating my legs had taken from the squats and deads. go figure, another lift has to suffer a bit.

    i'm doing my best here to list everything that's going on, keeping it honest, real, and always challenging myself. next time i'll set the leg press machine to accommodate a change in weights. i'll also be paying much closer attention to my SLDL form. maybe i'll use a belt with these. any ideas on whether i should use a belt, or a better way to do them?
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    Whats up suncloud, how you like that cycle? How much weight have you gained? Im gettin ready for a Phera cycle in a week or two.
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    starting the pulse this monday. started the workout two weeks before, so i could get some natural gains from it before the goods kick in. also, it gives me a little bit of leeway to switch up my workouts before i try a pulse if i realize my workout doesn't match my needs. run a log of your phera brotha.
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    Subbed.

    Good luck Suncloud!
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    welcome rob. good to have you here.

    my back is frikken killing me today. no doubt those SLDL with crappy form is to blame. thank god i have a few days to recover. then the pulse starts! i'm so excited. more so because i haven't run across any pulse logs yet, so this should provide feedback for either a phera/havoc or LMG/havoc pulse, with regards to gains and sides. anyways, on to the workout.

    Workout 10 of 10 pre pulse

    chest / shoulders
    4 sets of 10 as supersets
    DB bench press 50/50/55/55
    DB arnold press 35/35/35/30 (too much for a 4th set)
    DB incline bench 45/45/45/45
    cable front delt raises 25/25/25/25
    Decline barbell bench 225/225/225/225
    cable side delt raises 20/20/20/20
    cable crossovers 40/40/40/40
    wide grip pullovers 70/70/70/70 (damn these are hard)
    cable upright rows 100??? * triple pulley cable. felt like 70 lbs real world weight, did 4 sets. can only do 80x5 on the smith...
    cable rear delt raises 20/20/20/20

    all in all, pretty satisfying workout. 35 minutes. saw some old guy, could have sworn he was asleep on the leg press. some other dork wanted to work in with me (use the bench), which i stupidly agreed to. never mind that there was another bench open. oh wait, it wasn't. someone had their sweat towel on it to "reserve it". bleh. so the guy got on my bench, and did skullcrushers (both arms) for 25 reps with 40 pounds. talk about waiting, and an absolute waste of my time.... thankfully, it was at the beginning of my 4th set, so it didn't happen again. anyways, thats it for today.
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    Hey bro, nice log, its cool as i always wanted to know what sort of gains a pulse with lmg would bring, and what the sides and gains would be like..would they be wet etc..
    Great log bro...Russian im subbbudistilllizzzladooodledoo od
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    Thats a good idea to log 10 workouts to get a baseline.

    Pulse starts Monday then? Have fun!
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    welcome brotha russian, and thanks for the compliment rob.

    good god i hurt today (saturday). i planned my workout specifically because thursday and fridays workouts are so hard for me to recover from. fridays by far the hardest. no doubt its the added range of motion from all the dumbells that makes it what it is. the other plan was to get almost all my body working out twice a week, similar to DC. however, for an ecto, in my opinion (because i've never tried DC), the ecto's endurance muscles wouldn't be challenged at all, which makes up a large portion of their muscles. hence why i set my workout the way it is, with lots of supersets, to drain the endurance out of my body, with two days of heavier lifting thrown in.

    this is a completely new idea to me, but it makes sense, so i gave it a run 10 days pre cycle to make sure it matched up with me, and i think it will lead to spectacular gains.
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    Subbed suncloud. Damn. I didn't know about this one. You need to PM and tell me when you throw up a thread. You know I'll be in like Flynn!! Give this thing Hel, bro!!
    THE PAIN YOU ENDURE TODAY WILL PRODUCE THE POWER YOU ENJOY TOMORROW!!

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    thanks for the support TG! i'm looking forward to giving this hell.
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    yay! monday is here. took 2 havoc, 1 LMG 2 hours prior to the gym. went to the gym. saw my helper buddy in the corner. the best muscletech product of all time - placebotech! yes. placebo is here, and its here to represent. here we go!

    monday
    legs/back
    4 sets of 5 as supersets.
    Squats ATG feet close -165/165/165/165 (up 10 lbs for 2 sets. can't get any more weight on ATG or i can't go back up)
    Chin ups medium grip - BW + 25/25/25/25 (all 4 sets!)
    Deadlift to shrug - 205/205/205/205 (up 20 pounds)
    Rows - 110/110/110/110 (new exercise - TBar row still broken)
    Lat pull down (neutral) - 110/120/120/120 (up 10 pounds for 3 sets)
    SLDL - 95/115/115/115 (up 25 lbs for 3 set)
    SLED (feet wide)- 410/410/410/410 (no change)
    bent over rows - 95/95/105/115 (up 35 pounds for last set!)
    donkey calf raises - 115/115/115/115 (no change)
    preacher curls - 75/75/75/75 (no change)

    when the LMG plus the Havoc kick in, i hope they kick in as hard as Placebotech does! God i feel on top of the world today. Used a belt this time with my SLDL to make sure i didn't injure myself. Diet is a little off today, but i'll make the calories up later in the day. if i had to guess, i've only had around 2.5k calories so far - way off the 4-4.5k i should be at for this time of the day. this workout frikken rocked. i'll see if i can swing by GNC to pick up some more Placebotech!

    quick question. does everyone sweat more on cycle or is it just me? i never sweat like i did today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by suncloud View Post
    quick question. does everyone sweat more on cycle or is it just me? i never sweat like i did today.
    Yes, I definitely sweat more on cycle. We're you able to feel the androgens at all yet?
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    of the first dose? i doubt it. strictly all placebo is my guess.

    on an interesting side note, i do feel warmer all over, and the sweating was insane - straight out of a boxmeman log.

    seriously, i might sweat from a workout. the key word is might. today, i had to wipe my face a few times, and the hair on the back of my head was wet.
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    Way to layeth the smacketh down on those candy-ass weights suncloud!! Hel Yeah! The Havoc will kick in much faster than the LMG. I'm glad you decided to stack it together. I love combining wet and dry compounds. One is very androgenic (LMG) and the other is very anabolic (Havoc). The best of both worlds!!
    THE PAIN YOU ENDURE TODAY WILL PRODUCE THE POWER YOU ENJOY TOMORROW!!

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