TNICK7's 2 WEEK SD BLAST LOG

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  1. Thanks for the kind words TG


    Quote Originally Posted by russianstar View Post
    Nice bro, looks good, i love sd, for me its the fastest acting compound available, wouldnt use nolva for pct though, clomid is much better, And TG hit it spot on when he said about dc training in pct, best way bro.
    I use Vitamin B5 too, 1500mg every day keeps me acne free on cycle, what dosage do you use bro?
    All the best with this, im in for your sick gains!!!
    Thanks bro. I have never tried clomid. I want to but for now I have nolva left over and dont want to wait to have to get clomid, but I will definitely give it a try someday!

    For B5, I was thinking 1-2g, wasn't really sure, but if 1.5g works for you then I will give that a shot


  2. I`m in , short cycles are of great interest to me,good luck bro.

    About the nolva vs clomid , my vote goes to nolva, from W.Llewellyn:

    Clomid and Nolvadex

    I am not sure how Clomid and Nolvadex became so separated in the minds of bodybuilders. They certainly should not be. Clomid and Nolvadex are both anti-estrogens belonging to the same group of triphenylethylene compounds. They are structurally related and specifically classified as selective estrogen receptor modulators (SERMs) with mixed agonistic and antagonistic properties. This means that in certain tissues they can block the effects of estrogen, by altering the binding capacity of the receptor, while in others they can act as actual estrogens, activating the receptor.

    In men, both of these drugs act as anti-estrogens in their capacity to oppose the negative feedback of estrogens on the hypothalamus and stimulate the heightened release of GnRH (Gonadotropin Releasing Hormone). LH output by the pituitary will be increased as a result, which in turn can increase the level of testosterone by the testes. Both drugs do this, but for some reason bodybuilders persist in thinking that Clomid is the only drug good at stimulating testosterone. What you will find with a little investigation however is that not only is Nolvadex useful for the same purpose, it should actually be the preferred agent of the two.

    Studies conducted in the late 1970's at the University of Ghent in Belgium make clear the advantages of using Nolvadex instead of Clomid for increasing testosterone levels (1). Here, researchers looked the effects of Nolvadex and Clomid on the endocrine profiles of normal men, as well as those suffering from low sperm counts (oligospermia). For our purposes, the results of these drugs on hormonally normal men are obviously the most relevant.

    What was found, just in the early parts of the study, was quite enlightening. Nolvadex, used for 10 days at a dosage of 20mg daily, increased serum testosterone levels to 142% of baseline, which was on par with the effect of 150mg of Clomid daily for the same duration (the testosterone increase was slightly, but not significantly, better for Clomid). We must remember though that this is the effect of three 50mg tablets of Clomid. With the price of both a 50mg Clomid and 20mg Nolvadex typically very similar, we are already seeing a cost vs. results discrepancy forming that strongly favors the Nolvadex side.

    Pituitary Sensitivity to GnRH

    But something more interesting is happening. Researchers were also conducting GnRH stimulation tests before and after various points of treatment with Nolvadex and Clomid, and the two drugs had markedly different results. These tests involved infusing patients with 100mcg of GnRH and measuring the output of pituitary LH in response.

    The focus of this test is to see how sensitive the pituitary is to Gonadotropin Releasing Hormone. The more sensitive the pituitary, the more LH will be released. The tests showed that after ten days of treatment with Nolvadex, pituitary sensitivity to GnRH increased slightly compared to pre-treated values. This is contrast to 10 days of treatment with 150mg Clomid, which was shown to consistently DECREASE pituitary sensitivity to GnRH (more LH was released before treatment).

    As the study with Nolvadex progresses to 6 weeks, pituitary sensitivity to GnRH was significantly higher than pre-treated or 10-day levels. At this point the same 20mg dosage was also raising testosterone and LH levels to an average of 183% and 172% of base values, respectively, which again is measurably higher than what was noted 10 days into therapy. Within 10 days of treatment Clomid is already exerting an effect that is causing the pituitary to become slightly desensitized to GnRH, while prolonged use of Nolvadex serves only to increase pituitary sensitivity to this hormone. That is not to say Clomid won't increase testosterone if taken for the same 6 week time period. Quite the opposite is true. But we are, however, noticing an advantage in Nolvadex.

    The Estrogen Clomid

    The above discrepancies are likely explained by differences in the estrogenic nature of the two compounds. The researchers' clearly support this theory when commenting in their paper, "The difference in response might be attributable to the weak intrinsic estrogenic effect of Clomid, which in this study manifested itself by an increase in transcortin and testosterone/estradiol-binding globulin [SHBG] levels; this increase was not observed after tamoxifen treatment". In reviewing other theories later in the paper, such as interference by increased androgen or estrogen levels, they persist in noting that increases in these hormones were similar with both drug treatments, and state that," €a role of the intrinsic estrogenic activity of Clomid which is practically absent in Tamoxifen seems the most probable explanation".

    Although these two are related anti-estrogens, they appear to act very differently at different sites of action. Nolvadex seems to be strongly anti-estrogenic at both the hypothalamus and pituitary, which is in contrast to Clomid, which although a strong anti-estrogen at the hypothalamus, seems to exhibit weak estrogenic activity at the pituitary. To find further support for this we can look at an in-vitro animal study published in the American Journal of Physiology in February 1981 (2).

    This paper looks at the effects of Clomid and Nolvadex on the GnRH stimulated release of LH from cultured rat pituitary cells. In this paper, it was noted that incubating cells with Clomid had a direct estrogenic effect on cultured pituitary cell sensitivity, exerting a weaker but still significant effect compared to estradiol. Nolvadex on the other hand did not have any significant effect on LH response. Furthermore it mildly blocked the effects of estrogen when both were incubated in the same culture.

    Conclusion

    To summarize the above research succinctly, Nolvadex is the more purely anti-estrogenic of the two drugs, at least where the HPTA (Hypothalamic-Pituitary-Testicular Axis) is concerned. This fact enables Nolvadex to offer the male bodybuilder certain advantages over Clomid.

    This is especially true at times when we are looking to restore a balanced HPTA, and would not want to desensitize the pituitary to GnRH. This could perhaps slow recovery to some extent, as the pituitary would require higher amounts of hypothalamic GnRH in the presence of Clomid in order to get the same level of LH stimulation.

    Nolvadex also seems preferred from long-term use, for those who find anti-estrogens effective enough at raising testosterone levels to warrant using as anabolics. Here Nolvadex would seem to provide a better and more stable increase in testosterone levels, and likely will offer a similar or greater effect than Clomid for considerably less money. The potential rise in SHBG levels with Clomid, supported by other research (3), is also cause for concern, as this might work to allow for comparably less free active testosterone compared to Nolvadex as well.

    Ultimately both drugs are effective anti-estrogens for the prevention of gyno and elevation of endogenous testosterone, however the above research provides enough evidence for me to choose Nolvadex every time.
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  3. awesome find.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by pistonpump View Post



    awesome find.
    x2. Great read Nunes. Glad you're following as well bro
  5. And it begins.............


    Just taking my first dose (10mg) with breakfast, then hitting the gym in around 90mins. Bring on the gains
    :bb3:
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  6. Day 1


    Obviously nothing to report. Chest and Biceps today. Ok workout, weigh-in was 200lbs dead on. I am considering not weighing myself until the end of the cycle, or would you prefer I keep log of it??

    I added some taurine (3g pre w/o) just in case of back and calf pumps.

    For those following who have used SD, when did the magic really start to happen? I'm guessing 5-8 days in.

    As I'm doing a 4 days split, with one day rest then repeat I am hoping things will start to happen by the time I do chest & bi's again (day 6).

    Also what came first for you; strength or weight?


    tnick7

  7. Quote Originally Posted by tnick7 View Post
    Obviously nothing to report. Chest and Biceps today. Ok workout, weigh-in was 200lbs dead on. I am considering not weighing myself until the end of the cycle, or would you prefer I keep log of it??
    Personally, unless you see a dramatic increase, you might as well just wait till the end to post a weight.

    I've found that its real easy to get fixated on gaining weight on a daily basis.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by futurepilot View Post
    Personally, unless you see a dramatic increase, you might as well just wait till the end to post a weight.

    I've found that its real easy to get fixated on gaining weight on a daily basis.

    Exactly. If I dont see the scales going up I may get disappointed, lol. I may just weigh-in every Monday

  9. Quote Originally Posted by tnick7 View Post
    For those following who have used SD, when did the magic really start to happen? I'm guessing 5-8 days in.
    Also what came first for you; strength or weight?
    I could tell for sure it was kicking between days 8 to 11. And strength came first. It came on big time!! Then days 10 to 14 the weight gains came fast. 5 to 10 pounds in that week. You're gonna love this cycle dude!!!
    THE PAIN YOU ENDURE TODAY WILL PRODUCE THE POWER YOU ENJOY TOMORROW!!

    "Ye are gods, and all of you are children of the most High."

  10. Quote Originally Posted by thundergod View Post
    I could tell for sure it was kicking between days 8 to 11. And strength came first. It came on big time!! Then days 10 to 14 the weight gains came fast. 5 to 10 pounds in that week. You're gonna love this cycle dude!!!

    Cant wait for it to kick-in. I hope I'm one that it kicks in really quickly for (like 5 days or so)

  11. for me it was basically a pound a day for the first two weeks so it kicked in instantly. Noticed pumps and hardness around day 2 and strength started increasing around day 3.
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  12. Day 2


    Did back and triceps today. Not bad workout, great tricep pump (regular back pump though).

    I go through phases of loving or hating deadlifts, and at the moment I'm hating them, especially heavy ones, IDK why, lol !!

    Going to weigh myself either weekly or post cycle.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by tnick7 View Post
    I go through phases of loving or hating deadlifts
    Going to weigh myself either weekly or post cycle.
    I love Deadlifts man!! My favorite exercise of all. It is the BEST movement for testing one's overall strength and power IMO!! And why don't you give us weekly updates on your bodyweight? That keeps us informed along the way of your progress.
    THE PAIN YOU ENDURE TODAY WILL PRODUCE THE POWER YOU ENJOY TOMORROW!!

    "Ye are gods, and all of you are children of the most High."

  14. do you guys pick the weight (on the deadlifts) directly from the floor or from a elevated position ?

  15. Quote Originally Posted by thundergod View Post
    I love Deadlifts man!! My favorite exercise of all. It is the BEST movement for testing one's overall strength and power IMO!! And why don't you give us weekly updates on your bodyweight? That keeps us informed along the way of your progress.
    As I said, its either my favourite exercise or worst, depending on the day! LOL I agree it definitely shows overall strength, and I used to be strong on deads (for my size) until a few months back I had surgery on my leg so I tend not to go above 405lb now. Hopefully they will get stronger this cycle!!

    Nunes, I lift straight from the ground. HARCORE style LOL

  16. Nunes....I lift from the ground. No partial reps for me. And I worked up to a 610 Deadlift. I love 'em!!
    THE PAIN YOU ENDURE TODAY WILL PRODUCE THE POWER YOU ENJOY TOMORROW!!

    "Ye are gods, and all of you are children of the most High."

  17. Quote Originally Posted by thundergod View Post
    Nunes....I lift from the ground. No partial reps for me. And I worked up to a 610 Deadlift. I love 'em!!

    610lbs, you BEAST. Before my surgery I was getting 500lb up, but its just not the same anymore

    Hopefully I will get it up a bit this cycle!!

    :dl:

  18. Quote Originally Posted by thundergod View Post
    Nunes....I lift from the ground. No partial reps for me. And I worked up to a 610 Deadlift. I love 'em!!
    Man you`re really the son of Odin

  19. Quote Originally Posted by nunes View Post
    Man you`re really the son of Odin
    Was there ever any doubt??
    THE PAIN YOU ENDURE TODAY WILL PRODUCE THE POWER YOU ENJOY TOMORROW!!

    "Ye are gods, and all of you are children of the most High."

  20. 610LB WOAAH, thats amazing TG.

    How are you feeling on SD i love the stuff?

    By the way, the reason i prefer clomid is because its not heptoxic like nolva, and it works better with superdrol than nolva does, Those who have had superdol gyno, have used either no pct or nolva, Dont get me wrong in its place nolva is awesome, especialy with drugs that aromatise.

    Getting back to your thread, your strength will shoot up on sd, mine went up so quick, keep those complex carbs coming bro, and grow grow grow....Russian.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by russianstar View Post
    610LB WOAAH, thats amazing TG.

    How are you feeling on SD i love the stuff?

    By the way, the reason i prefer clomid is because its not heptoxic like nolva, and it works better with superdrol than nolva does, Those who have had superdol gyno, have used either no pct or nolva, Dont get me wrong in its place nolva is awesome, especialy with drugs that aromatise.

    Getting back to your thread, your strength will shoot up on sd, mine went up so quick, keep those complex carbs coming bro, and grow grow grow....Russian.

    Not feeling anything yet, but only day 2. Hopefully within the next few days

    Keeping carbs 350-400g a day (oats/pasta/couscous mainly). If I eat abymore I blow up like a balloon. I'm quite carb sensitive.

  22. jst to ask about the earlier nolva vs clomid, ive heard that SD can lead to prolactin induced gyno and thats why ppl use clomid instead of nolva as nolva has little effect on prolactin, but clomid and torem do.

    what are your thoughts on this? sorry for the slight hijack.

    also gl with ur cycle.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by Losso View Post
    jst to ask about the earlier nolva vs clomid, ive heard that SD can lead to prolactin induced gyno and thats why ppl use clomid instead of nolva as nolva has little effect on prolactin, but clomid and torem do.

    what are your thoughts on this? sorry for the slight hijack.

    also gl with ur cycle.
    Don't worry about hijack, lol, I encourage it if its interesting discussion!

    I've never heard of torem or clomid having an effect on prolactin. I have heard nolva could even have a negative impact on it.

    I am using L-Dopa, for this. L-Dopa will raise Dopamine levels which in turn will lower prolactin levels, which should hopefully keep me leak-free

  24. Quote Originally Posted by tnick7 View Post
    Don't worry about hijack, lol, I encourage it if its interesting discussion!

    I've never heard of torem or clomid having an effect on prolactin. I have heard nolva could even have a negative impact on it.

    I am using L-Dopa, for this. L-Dopa will raise Dopamine levels which in turn will lower prolactin levels, which should hopefully keep me leak-free

    Clomid can have an effect on prolactin caused by progestins, thats why with sd i would only use clomid not nolva.
    But with L-dopa you should be ok, if not carboxy-1 is very good!!!
    Keep those carbs up and blow up like a baloon

  25. l-dopa good idea, i like it

  26. Quote Originally Posted by tnick7 View Post
    I am using L-Dopa, for this. L-Dopa will raise Dopamine levels which in turn will lower prolactin levels, which should hopefully keep me leak-free
    My last cycle included TRN and Phera so I was also concerned with prolactin issues. TRN is a very strong progestin. On-cycle I used Vitamin B6 @100 mg. every day. For PCT I used the B6 and Vitex @500 mg. per day. Now in this natty run I'm using L-Dopa so I believe this is a safe and long tapering off to avoid any prolactin rebound! So far...so good!! You won't be getting any milk from this bull!! ha ha
    THE PAIN YOU ENDURE TODAY WILL PRODUCE THE POWER YOU ENJOY TOMORROW!!

    "Ye are gods, and all of you are children of the most High."

  27. Quote Originally Posted by thundergod View Post
    My last cycle included TRN and Phera so I was also concerned with prolactin issues. TRN is a very strong progestin. On-cycle I used Vitamin B6 @100 mg. every day. For PCT I used the B6 and Vitex @500 mg. per day. Now in this natty run I'm using L-Dopa so I believe this is a safe and long tapering off to avoid any prolactin rebound! So far...so good!! You won't be getting any milk from this bull!! ha ha
    Haha, I always say better safe than sorry! Leaking nipples isn't the most masculine of features
  28. Day 3


    Legs today. Getting back into legs, which almost disappeared after my surgery (was on crutches for 2 months, in a cast). They went from 26" down to 20" (well one went to 20" the other to 21.5"). They are getting back up now in size but strength is lacking on squat especially. This short resting is killing me but I like it. Will drop it for PCT though.

    Nothing to report so far, but when I cycled Epistane/Furaz (my only other cycle) it took around 3 weeks to really kick in so maybe it takes me a while

  29. Going to throw in some Glucosamine or Cissus because the joints on my leg around where it was operated on is feeling real dry and aching. Could be coincidence as it does play up but going to add it in case.

  30. Quote Originally Posted by tnick7 View Post
    Going to throw in some Glucosamine or Cissus because the joints on my leg around where it was operated on is feeling real dry and aching. Could be coincidence as it does play up but going to add it in case.

    I found the same on my sd cycle, so i upped my olive oil intake, there has been a lot of research to prove its more powerfull than ibruprofen, when combined with efa oils, you could give it a try, But super cissus is one of my fave supps. Nice and anabolic too.
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