[macedaddy]

nick, have you used SD and/or PHs in the past?

what did your BF% end up at? I am currently cutting and am thinking of doing a quick 2 weeker. 10/20 to speed things up a little......i happened to find some orig AX in my cupboard.......lol.

[pembroke3355]

Originally Posted by tnick7

Strength Gains: Strength gains were decent. All lifts went up slowly and steadily, not as expected though. All major lifts gained around 10-15lbs (depending on exercise). I think the strength gains are very maintainable. I give it a 5/10 for strength

Size Gains Great for size gains. Weight jumped up 15lbs.

Shoulders - +0.5"
Chest - +1.25"
Waist - +0.5"
Arms (Flexed) - +0.25"
Arms (Unflexed) - +0.25"
Forearms - +0.25"
Calves - +.025"
Thighs - 0.75"

I give it an 8/10 for size

Side Effects: Very tolerable. Minor back pumps, 2-3 zits which came at 30mg, and expectedly some testes atrophy, other than that great. I give it a 8.5/10.

Would I run it again?: Yes, and I will

What would I do differently?: I would run it for just 2 weeks, which is when 90% of the gains came. I would run it 20/20 or maybe 20/30

The important stuff:

During these 3 weeks:

- Everyone noticed I put on size, and commented

- 3 people (1 friend, 2 guys at the gym) asked the question we all want to here: "what are you on"

This is just for a laugh, but I am my worst critic (as I guess many of us are), and other people noticed, even though I usually train in an XL t-shirt

Thanks to everyone who followed along and helped out. I will keep this updated 2-3 times a week during PCT.

Outstanding log bro very detailed great job.

[tnick7]

Thanks pembroke!

Originally Posted by macedaddy

nick, have you used SD and/or PHs in the past?

what did your BF% end up at? I am currently cutting and am thinking of doing a quick 2 weeker. 10/20 to speed things up a little......i happened to find some orig AX in my cupboard.......lol.

I havent used SD itself before, but I used Epistane (with Furazadrol) a few months back as my first cycle (I've also run Jungle warfare a while back but I got nothing from it, and its so mild I dont count it!).

I gained a bit of fat, but according to calipers my bodyfat % is exactly the same.

I honestly say go for it. 2 weeks is perfect IMO, and unless I decide to pin, my next cycle will be this in 6 months time on a cut!

[tnick7]

Shoulder strength was great today. Went to an old gym, and the dumbbells only go up to 65lbs I did 4 sets 15/15/14/12 since the barbell rack was taken up. All is going well, diet is around the same on cycle, appetite is coming back (seems to go down first few days of nolva for me)

[pembroke3355]

Originally Posted by tnick7

Shoulder strength was great today. Went to an old gym, and the dumbbells only go up to 65lbs I did 4 sets 15/15/14/12 since the barbell rack was taken up. All is going well, diet is around the same on cycle, appetite is coming back (seems to go down first few days of nolva for me)

Looking good bro.

[nunes]

Originally Posted by tnick7

Shoulder strength was great today. Went to an old gym, and the dumbbells only go up to 65lbs I did 4 sets 15/15/14/12 since the barbell rack was taken up. All is going well, diet is around the same on cycle, appetite is coming back (seems to go down first few days of nolva for me)

are you losing any weight Nick?
By the way and just for curiosity,why wait 6 months for your next cycle?

[tnick7]

Originally Posted by nunes

are you losing any weight Nick?
By the way and just for curiosity,why wait 6 months for your next cycle?

No weight is around the same still. Strength is similar, if anything, its going up.

In October I go back to college. During college I drink a bit (its college, you have to). Its my last year, so I want to enjoy it. When I cycle I like to have a month before cycle of very limited alcohol intake, none on or during PCT, and limit after for a month or so, just to be cautious.

I also set a target weight of 220lbs, and said I would cut once I hit that, which I have now reached, but I am holding off on the cut until the new years, where I will probably be around to 230lbs. I then want to slowly cut down to 8-9% through diet/cardio and cycling EC on and off. May get some DCP as well.

Once I get down to 8-9% hopefully at around 210lbs (should be there around June time), I want to cycle again on a recomp, hopefully get me to around 215lbs @ 7% bodyfat summer. I will have my finals at this time, so my life will be eat/revise/gym/sleep, so it is a perfect time to cycle. This is the plan anyway, lol and I will stick to it as much as possible

[nunes]

Originally Posted by tnick7

No weight is around the same still. Strength is similar, if anything, its going up.

In October I go back to college. During college I drink a bit (its college, you have to). Its my last year, so I want to enjoy it. When I cycle I like to have a month before cycle of very limited alcohol intake, none on or during PCT, and limit after for a month or so, just to be cautious.

I also set a target weight of 220lbs, and said I would cut once I hit that, which I have now reached, but I am holding off on the cut until the new years, where I will probably be around to 230lbs. I then want to slowly cut down to 8-9% through diet/cardio and cycling EC on and off. May get some DCP as well.

Once I get down to 8-9% hopefully at around 210lbs (should be there around June time), I want to cycle again on a recomp, hopefully get me to around 215lbs @ 7% bodyfat summer. I will have my finals at this time, so my life will be eat/revise/gym/sleep, so it is a perfect time to cycle. This is the plan anyway, lol and I will stick to it as much as possible

and its a good one bro, I just asked cause I think that the htpa and liver recover much quicker when you do short cycles,and we both know that being on is always motivating

By the way have fun in your last college year

[tnick7]

Originally Posted by nunes

and its a good one bro, I just asked cause I think that the htpa and liver recover much quicker when you do short cycles,and we both now that being on is always motivating

I agree. That why if I end up going the test route, I would prefer to go with 6-8 weeks of test prop. no longer. If I went for Test E/C I would not exceed 10 weeks.

There is a guy I know, a bodyguard, absolutely massive (5'10, 20 inch arms, around 10% bf). He said he runs 2 cycles a year using test and a kickstart, and occasinally other compounds but never tren or deca. He wont because they make it much harder to bounce back from. He also will never cycle over 10 weeks (which for test inst very long) because he doesnt want to be on HRT for the rest of his life. He gets bloodwork all the time and recently got a full body MRI, and was said to be in good health for his age (late 20's) including test levels etc

It shows even though running 2 ten weeks cycles a year is overdoing it IMO, keeping it short and simple can really help.

[tnick7]

Originally Posted by nunes

By the way have fun in your last college year

Thanks bro, I will. Work hard, play hard

[thundergod]

Originally Posted by nunes

I think that the htpa and liver recover much quicker when you do short cycles,and we both know that being on is always motivating:head

I agree nunes. This is why I like my short oral cycles. 3 weekers are my favorites. Some people will say we're not giving the compounds enough time to fully kick in and be effective, but I feel the short blasts are more effective in not only recovering from them, but also the smaller gains seem to be easier to keep and maintain. And it IS very motivating to be "ON"!!

[nunes]

hey nick my prelox arrived today , have you ordered some?