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    Thumbs up My proposed Epistane Cycle (USP Prime during PCT)


    After hours of research on company time I have put together the following cycle that I plan to start preloading towards the end of the month. Please let me know if I am on track with my cycle and I have all the supplements needed to complete the cycle. The only outstanding supplements might be Deisel Test Hard Core if the boys go from hanging low and become too close for comfort. :-)

    My Cycle will consist of Epistane with Cycle Support.

    My PCT will consist of Tamox, AI's Post Cycle Support and Lean Xtreme.

    My Daily supplements will be Cycle Support, Ragnarok, Protein shakes, Fish Oil, Taurine and a MultiVitamin.

    Anything missing on the supplement list or on the timelines listed below?



    My goal is lean musle mass and hopefully drop a little fat while bulking up.

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    Everything looks solid, the only differences I would do is upping my Fish oil ( I prefer a dose of about 10 cap ed year round) and with the Tamox I would probably follow a 40/20/20/20 plan but again I think its just personal preference and your outline will be sufficient.
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    Looks fine. Whats your diet look like?
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    I'm on board for this because I plan on running it and because I dig that spreadsheet. Get on with it son.
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    Silver, have you used Epi before? We're about the same height/weight and going above 30mg didn't offer any further benefit for me, and sides became an issue. I don't know, but 50mg seems a bit too high. I'd play it by ear when you get to 30mg. In fact, I love the gains, lack of sides, minimal shutdown, and on-top-of-the-world feeling I get with 20mg daily. Good luck with the cycle. The support supps and PCT look solid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rubberring View Post
    Silver, have you used Epi before? We're about the same height/weight and going above 30mg didn't offer any further benefit for me, and sides became an issue. I don't know, but 50mg seems a bit too high. I'd play it by ear when you get to 30mg. In fact, I love the gains, lack of sides, minimal shutdown, and on-top-of-the-world feeling I get with 20mg daily. Good luck with the cycle. The support supps and PCT look solid.
    My first cycle was M-Drol and I was no where near as prepared as I am for this one. I definately reserve my right to change the dosage and stick with 30mg - 40mg depending on the affect.

    I have thought about upping the Fish Oil, but I am not really sure what more will help. Can you please provide feedback on what to expect with more caps?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Royd The Noyd View Post
    Looks fine. Whats your diet look like?
    Right now I am more in the cutting/leaning phase since I am trying to lose the remaining gut. I am 194lbs and my diet on most days consists of:

    Breakfast:
    Protein shake (7:30AM)
    Oatmeal (8:30AM)

    Lunch:
    Lunch is my big meal of the day but I try to watch what I eat. I would say most days I consume 800-1200 calories at lunch.

    Snack:
    Banana or snack bar around 3-4 and sometimes both depending on lunch size

    I typically get a protein shake one I get home from work around 6-6:30PM

    Dinner:
    Most nights consist of fish, grilled chicken or pork chop.
    Sides include some type of veggies with green been and squash being frequent staples.

    I typically drink one more protein shake before bed.

    Here is my current workout log while I am off cycle. I might change it up when I start the Epistane.

    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/worko...s-workout.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mach .78 View Post
    I'm on board for this because I plan on running it and because I dig that spreadsheet. Get on with it son.
    Thx for the feedback and I have attach the spreadsheet in case you want to use the template. It didn't like xls file so I saved it in word.
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    Looks like somebody has done his homework

    If you don't have your supps yet I would suggest looking into this stack at Nutraplanet: Buy Together & Save: Epistane, Cycle Support, & POST Cycle Support

    You can also save 5% on the purchase of any regularly priced Anabolic Innovations products at NP by using the coupon code 74hsn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stxnas View Post
    Looks like somebody has done his homework

    If you don't have your supps yet I would suggest looking into this stack at Nutraplanet: Buy Together & Save: Epistane, Cycle Support, & POST Cycle Support

    You can also save 5% on the purchase of any regularly priced Anabolic Innovations products at NP by using the coupon code 74hsn.
    Sonofabish. I did buy that exact stack, but I didn't use the coupon code. That really sucks, but I suppose all is well. I am sure it will not be my last cycle and I will look for coupon codes first. :-)

    As for doing my homework, the M-Drol cycle that I did I did not research the way I should have. My PCT consisted of Formadrol. Luckily the cycle was short and I was lucky and have no probs. This time I want to do it by the book to maximize the effect while limiting the negatives.

    Thx for the feedback and it seems like AI products are the shiznit. :-)
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    The coupon code only works on regularly priced Anabolic Innovations products. It would not have worked with the stack. What I was trying to say was that if only need one of our products then you could use the code

    Sounds like you still got a good deal via the stack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stxnas View Post
    The coupon code only works on regularly priced Anabolic Innovations products. It would not have worked with the stack. What I was trying to say was that if only need one of our products then you could use the code

    Sounds like you still got a good deal via the stack.
    Thx for the info. I might check out Stoked after I finish the cycle, but I have not found too many independant reviews yet.
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    STOKED is the EXACT same thing as POST Cycle Support. Check out the link at the bottom of my sig.

    We released it under a different name b/c many people were confused by the name and weren't sure if it could be used for it's estrogen regulating and test boosting properties outside of pct. There were also others that didn't want to have a product that had a name associated with having done a cycle.

    STOKED! vs POST Cycle Support: What's The Difference?
    Quote Originally Posted by stxnas View Post
    I have been getting this question a lot lately...I figured I'd start this thread for those of you that utilize the search button!

    Short Answer
    POST Cycle Support and STOKED! are THE EXACT SAME THING CAPSULE FOR CAPSULE.

    Long Answer
    People were getting confused about the different applications of POST Cycle Support because its name implies that it is to be used during pct. POST Cycle Support is a great fit for pct b/c it inherently has test boosting and estrogen regulating effects.

    A lot of people were curious as to if POST Cycle Support could be used outside of pct due to these attractive characteristics. The answer is yes and to help avoid any confusion Anabolic Innovations came out with the same product under a different name. For these reasons you should see that Anabolic Innovations representatives will be suggesting POST Cycle Support for pct situations and STOKED! for situational usage outside of pct. In reality, the two products are interchangeable.

    Yes, I know...it's still confusing, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stxnas View Post
    STOKED is the EXACT same thing as POST Cycle Support. Check out the link at the bottom of my sig.

    We released it under a different name b/c many people were confused by the name and weren't sure if it could be used for it's estrogen regulating and test boosting properties outside of pct. There were also others that didn't want to have a product that had a name associated with having done a cycle.

    STOKED! vs POST Cycle Support: What's The Difference?
    Thx for the info. Can I return my PCS for Stoked! so that I don't get the label associated with cycle? Nevermind, I guess the Epistane is deserving of that label :bb3:
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    wow, great graphic!
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    Nice job on the excel plan bro.. Much smarter than your last cycle...
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    Any reason you're running for 8 weeks by the way?

    GMG might have more to offer, but I would probably start your dose higher week one to 20 or 30 then 40 / 50... stopping at 6 weeks total.

    Get in and get out. Also, I would suggest higher fish oil, and perhaps putting off your creatine for PCT... Usually people just want to feel the effects of the steroids and not the creatine.

    All just suggestions, I know you've done a lot of work. Nice job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TimberLakers View Post
    Any reason you're running for 8 weeks by the way?

    GMG might have more to offer, but I would probably start your dose higher week one to 20 or 30 then 40 / 50... stopping at 6 weeks total.

    Get in and get out. Also, I would suggest higher fish oil, and perhaps putting off your creatine for PCT... Usually people just want to feel the effects of the steroids and not the creatine.

    All just suggestions, I know you've done a lot of work. Nice job.
    I plan to only do 6 weeks total on Epistane with the Week 1 and 2 considered preload with the cycle support. I did think about Day 1 and 2 at 10mg and finishing week1 at 20. I am not opposed to starting at 20mg week 1 if that is what folks recommend.

    Thx for the advice on moving the creatine for PCT. I am sure the pumps will be good enough from the Epistane.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver3CSRT8 View Post
    I plan to only do 6 weeks total on Epistane with the Week 1 and 2 considered preload with the cycle support. I did think about Day 1 and 2 at 10mg and finishing week1 at 20. I am not opposed to starting at 20mg week 1 if that is what folks recommend.

    Thx for the advice on moving the creatine for PCT. I am sure the pumps will be good enough from the Epistane.
    My bad bro... I did read your sheet wrong. Apologies.

    Ask GMG about the beginning dose. I would suggest starting higher, but not having any first hand experience with the compound, I will defer.

    Definitely save the creatine... and your money. Ragnarok is supposed to be awesome. Get your moneys worth and see how it treats you by itself.
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    I personally would only dose the 10mg for the first day, and then jump right into 20mg for that week.

    If the ragnarock has a bunch of caffeine in it, It might effect your BP. People react differently. I haven't used ragnarock yet. Looks like a good product though, maybe better used for PCT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GMG760 View Post
    I personally would only dose the 10mg for the first day, and then jump right into 20mg for that week.

    If the ragnarock has a bunch of caffeine in it, It might effect your BP. People react differently. I haven't used ragnarock yet. Looks like a good product though, maybe better used for PCT.
    Thx for the info.

    The RagnaRok is a damn good product and tasted great. I actually bought more of it in the caffeine free version. I like the idea of saving for PCT though to help keep gains.

    I have updated the chart to reflect a few of the changes mentioned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver3CSRT8 View Post

    I have thought about upping the Fish Oil, but I am not really sure what more will help. Can you please provide feedback on what to expect with more caps?
    With more caps I notice better skin complexion, better joint lubrication, and finally stronger cognitive clarity. Since you are on cycle and are looking for a little hypertrophy I wouldn't mega dose the fish oil ( cuts inflammation to much ) but I thinking running it around 6-8 caps per day will ensure healthy joints and normal blood lipid ranges.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pmiller383 View Post
    With more caps I notice better skin complexion, better joint lubrication, and finally stronger cognitive clarity. Since you are on cycle and are looking for a little hypertrophy I wouldn't mega dose the fish oil ( cuts inflammation to much ) but I thinking running it around 6-8 caps per day will ensure healthy joints and normal blood lipid ranges.


    Agreed. If you don't want to dose the fish oil so high, cissus is a great supp to keep your joints healthy and free of pain.

    I really like Super Cissus by USP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GMG760 View Post


    Agreed. If you don't want to dose the fish oil so high, cissus is a great supp to keep your joints healthy and free of pain.

    I really like Super Cissus by USP.
    Have you tried non-super cissus?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GMG760 View Post


    Agreed. If you don't want to dose the fish oil so high, cissus is a great supp to keep your joints healthy and free of pain.

    I really like Super Cissus by USP.
    No doubt, Fish Oil + Cissus is amazing! They are both staples for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TimberLakers View Post
    Have you tried non-super cissus?
    Nope not yet. Ironically USP's Super Cissus is about as cheap as any bottled brand of cissus... you could get the bulk, but I was swayed from that once I figured I would have to cap it myself... bah, too much trouble... I have the damn 30 bucks. lol. God, the money I spend on this sport lol... It's worth it though, I got bad pain in my right elbow when I ran M1D and MMV2, and I haven't had pain yet on the Epistane, with the fish oil/cissus, which is pretty much the driest designer out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GMG760 View Post
    Nope not yet. Ironically USP's Super Cissus is about as cheap as any bottled brand of cissus... you could get the bulk, but I was swayed from that once I figured I would have to cap it myself... bah, too much trouble... I have the damn 30 bucks. lol. God, the money I spend on this sport lol... It's worth it though, I got bad pain in my right elbow when I ran M1D and MMV2, and I haven't had pain yet on the Epistane, with the fish oil/cissus, which is pretty much the driest designer out there.
    Its the same price, but the Primaforce has 50 percent more caps... Super is supposed to be more concentrated though... Regardless - my wrists and shoulder are feeling pretty good.
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    I have been reconsidering my dosages of Epi and I am contemplating changing it to 40 rampup/40/40/40/50/50 instead of the 10/20/30/40/50/50.

    Even the Epistane website recommends a ramp up 40mg during week 1 so I hate to stay too below their recommendation but I really want to do the 6 week cycle unless sides make it impossible.

    Thoughts? I will have enough that I could do a week 1 ramp up to 40 during week 1, 40mg week 2 - 4, and finish the last 2 weeks at 50mg if that would maximize gains.

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    I just started my cycle recently, Week 3 started yesterday. You can get noticable results even with 20mg. My first 2 weeks were at 20mg, 2 days at 10mg to start. I had one of my best Chest/Tri workouts yesterday. That was my first day at 30mg (but I also had 10mg of Superdrol pre-workout). You can get results going 20,30,30,40, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pmiller383 View Post
    With more caps I notice better skin complexion, better joint lubrication, and finally stronger cognitive clarity. Since you are on cycle and are looking for a little hypertrophy I wouldn't mega dose the fish oil ( cuts inflammation to much ) but I thinking running it around 6-8 caps per day will ensure healthy joints and normal blood lipid ranges.
    I agree with P, I would dose the fish oil slightly higher than 3 pills a day, between 6-8 ed sounds solid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver3CSRT8 View Post
    I have been reconsidering my dosages of Epi and I am contemplating changing it to 40 rampup/40/40/40/50/50 instead of the 10/20/30/40/50/50.

    Even the Epistane website recommends a ramp up 40mg during week 1 so I hate to stay too below their recommendation but I really want to do the 6 week cycle unless sides make it impossible.

    Thoughts? I will have enough that I could do a week 1 ramp up to 40 during week 1, 40mg week 2 - 4, and finish the last 2 weeks at 50mg if that would maximize gains.


    I would have to agree on the rampup...I didn't notice anything really until I got to 30mg. Looking back, I wish I would have done the 1 week ramp up versus 10/20/30/40/40. I'm not so sure you will recieve that much added benefit from stringing your cycle out to 6 weeks at those doses. I would run it the 4 weeks and assess the situation after that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2k2ser View Post
    I just started my cycle recently, Week 3 started yesterday. You can get noticable results even with 20mg. My first 2 weeks were at 20mg, 2 days at 10mg to start. I had one of my best Chest/Tri workouts yesterday. That was my first day at 30mg (but I also had 10mg of Superdrol pre-workout). You can get results going 20,30,30,40, etc.
    Super and epi huh... that sounds rough... how long are you running that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver3CSRT8 View Post
    I have been reconsidering my dosages of Epi and I am contemplating changing it to 40 rampup/40/40/40/50/50 instead of the 10/20/30/40/50/50.

    Even the Epistane website recommends a ramp up 40mg during week 1 so I hate to stay too below their recommendation but I really want to do the 6 week cycle unless sides make it impossible.

    Thoughts? I will have enough that I could do a week 1 ramp up to 40 during week 1, 40mg week 2 - 4, and finish the last 2 weeks at 50mg if that would maximize gains.

    I don't think it is gonna hurt you, just realize it is gonna shut you down faster. I personally can still get it up at 50mg, but everyone's different.

    The lethargy early on might be strong.

    Make sure you ramp it up even if its only a few days because some people have bad reactions to the sulfur that is in the compound.
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    Thanks Silver, I'll use it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GMG760 View Post
    Super and epi huh... that sounds rough... how long are you running that?
    So far it's great! It's 4 weeks of Havoc at a fairly low dose and bridged into SD at the end.
    I'm only 15 pounds off from my best ever set(s) on the bench. Still have to finish week 3 and 4 of Havoc. I'll be somewhat close to my old max before I even start the SD. I just want to get a 315-325 bench or 2 sets of 5 w/ 275. Either of those will make this cycle a success! It's in the Cycle Info section, no real log on anything though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2k2ser View Post
    So far it's great! It's 4 weeks of Havoc at a fairly low dose and bridged into SD at the end.
    I'm only 15 pounds off from my best ever set(s) on the bench. Still have to finish week 3 and 4 of Havoc. I'll be somewhat close to my old max before I even start the SD. I just want to get a 315-325 bench or 2 sets of 5 w/ 275. Either of those will make this cycle a success! It's in the Cycle Info section, no real log on anything though.
    Well yea, so far it's great, you haven't dosed the superdrol yet.

    Let us know how it goes.
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    I never went above above 30mg when I ran epi, and I got great results. You'll know if you need to go up or down once your a week or two into it.
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    I am running a Epi , x tren pulse right now. Doing a recomp. This is my first go round with Epi. with this exp. i know I could easily do a good 6 week bulk at 30 mg.
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    I started the Pre-load of the Cycle Support today and continued taking all the other supplements that will be part of my routing. Today was supposed to be an off day after yesterday's leg workout. However, I said Fuk it and hit the cardio.

    Cardio consisted of 4.65 miles on the eliptical in 29 minutes. I was flying today and felt good even though the legs were sore from yesterday's workout.

    I will use this thread as my Epistane Log. This should be a good log for the guys that are not fully ripped with 6 pack abs to follow. I will ensure that some before pics are posted in a week or so.

    Tomorrow will consist of my full body workout with 20 - 30 minutes of cardio.

    Here is the cycle I decided to go with with the 5th and 6th week optional depending on how the Epi is treating me.
  

  
 

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