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    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    How do u know when to refeed? What if u don't ever feel deprived ? Should u still force a refeed ? Mainly obviously once fat loss plateaus..
    Yes you should refeed .. and from my last post:

    these will help a ton with hormones, leptin, t3 levels and help with continual fatloss as well

    When you diet these all drop and to keep them from dropping too low can have a bigger negative than positive. When metabolism slows this is when stalls happen, same with when your hormones, t3, and leptin levels drop it can cause stalling to happen in your weightloss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Solution View Post

    Yes you should refeed .. and from my last post:

    these will help a ton with hormones, leptin, t3 levels and help with continual fatloss as well

    When you diet these all drop and to keep them from dropping too low can have a bigger negative than positive. When metabolism slows this is when stalls happen, same with when your hormones, t3, and leptin levels drop it can cause stalling to happen in your weightloss.
    Yes!!!^^^^

    I do every week, maybe every 10days.

    Try and keep liquids low on your carb up days to help with bloat. Sometimes, mentally, after carb ups the bloat can de discouraging but don't let it be.

    I look like compete sh!t before & right after carb ups. I don't control liquids very well as I am sometimes a complete savage :-D
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    Quote Originally Posted by Distilled Water View Post
    Yes!!!^^^^

    I do every week, maybe every 10days.

    Try and keep liquids low on your carb up days to help with bloat. Sometimes, mentally, after carb ups the bloat can de discouraging but don't let it be.

    I look like compete sh!t before & right after carb ups. I don't control liquids very well as I am sometimes a complete savage :-D
    Also will depend on sources for your refeed, use lower fiber sources and it wont be a major factor. Rice and Pasta are very good sources, same with breads, adding in some fructose and fruits wont hurt either (but dont make it your priority). I would also consider/facotr in veggie intake as well. That may hold people up, it does for me if i eat too many. Lyle McDonald has an outstanding chart in his Ebooks for UD 2.0 and Rapid Fatloss handbook regarding what happens when you diet and in offseason and regarding all the levels in your body and what drops and what rasies when calories fall and when they increase and how the refeeds can play huge parts to those especially in the Ultimate Diet 2.0 which is PSMF during the week and huge carb refeeds on the weekend.
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    Well can u refeed on a bulk? Lol I've really actually plateaued in my bulk.. I was recoumping quite nicely then started seeing some fat gain n stopped increasing lbm. Now I am maintaining.. Not sure what the next dietary move should be
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    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    Well can u refeed on a bulk? Lol I've really actually plateaued in my bulk.. I was recoumping quite nicely then started seeing some fat gain n stopped increasing lbm. Now I am maintaining.. Not sure what the next dietary move should be
    You stopped or plateaued from a few reasons
    - Change in routine
    - Change in Cardio
    - Change in diet my guess is because you saw the scale rise you dropped kcals and that is going to harm progress with adding/size strength.

    Can you refeed on a bulk? Sure.. you could do higher carbs on a leg day or a lagging bodypart day or implement a cheat meal as a form of a refeed, both would work and be a way. But once you are already hitting pretty consistent kcals and in a surplus the benefits of a refeed while bulking would not be anywhere near what they would illict on a deficit due to the swings in hormones, t3, leptin, to aid in your fatloss when in a caloric deficit over a time to help keep the metabolism churning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Solution View Post

    You stopped or plateaued from a few reasons
    - Change in routine
    - Change in Cardio
    - Change in diet my guess is because you saw the scale rise you dropped kcals and that is going to harm progress with adding/size strength.

    Can you refeed on a bulk? Sure.. you could do higher carbs on a leg day or a lagging bodypart day or implement a cheat meal as a form of a refeed, both would work and be a way. But once you are already hitting pretty consistent kcals and in a surplus the benefits of a refeed while bulking would not be anywhere near what they would illict on a deficit due to the swings in hormones, t3, leptin, to aid in your fatloss when in a caloric deficit over a time to help keep the metabolism churning.
    No I liked seeing the scale rise bc I was seeing positive changes in the mirror for both fat loss and muscle mass. My routine didn't change ... If anything I increased cardio due to having an increase in energy! Lol so I can't imagine how an increase in cRdio would slow fat loss.. I mean I know it CAN if it caused me to actually drop too low in overall calories... So maybe that was it..!
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    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    No I liked seeing the scale rise bc I was seeing positive changes in the mirror for both fat loss and muscle mass. My routine didn't change ... If anything I increased cardio due to having an increase in energy! Lol so I can't imagine how an increase in cRdio would slow fat loss.. I mean I know it CAN if it caused me to actually drop too low in overall calories... So maybe that was it..!
    Increase in cardio can slow fatloss, I know Layne has spotted some good research to show long bursts of LISS can slow the metabolism (he posted a link to it in his workout journal on bodybuilding.com regarding it). Overall if you were looking to cut (which i know you were talking abotu bulking and refeeding) So i am kind of lost on what you are trying to talk about or what you are currently doing because you went back and forth between cutting and bulking and were asking about the benefits of refeeds.

    if you did stall and the only thing you did do was increase cardio a touch, what does the mirror show? The scale is your worst tool to use during a prep or a cut, the mirror is always your best indication. Some weeks you may never lose a pound or an oz, but look leaner/tighter showing you something is going on, then all of a sudden a week later you may see a 1-2 pound drop aka a WOOSH which lyle talks about on his website (bodyrecompostion) in his fatloss articles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Solution View Post

    Increase in cardio can slow fatloss, I know Layne has spotted some good research to show long bursts of LISS can slow the metabolism (he posted a link to it in his workout journal on bodybuilding.com regarding it). Overall if you were looking to cut (which i know you were talking abotu bulking and refeeding) So i am kind of lost on what you are trying to talk about or what you are currently doing because you went back and forth between cutting and bulking and were asking about the benefits of refeeds.

    if you did stall and the only thing you did do was increase cardio a touch, what does the mirror show? The scale is your worst tool to use during a prep or a cut, the mirror is always your best indication. Some weeks you may never lose a pound or an oz, but look leaner/tighter showing you something is going on, then all of a sudden a week later you may see a 1-2 pound drop aka a WOOSH which lyle talks about on his website (bodyrecompostion) in his fatloss articles.
    My goal right now is recomp to lean bulk. Idc about scale ever so long as the mirror is ok... I hardly ever weigh myself. I haven't done liss in months. I keep all my interval training from 20 to 60 second bursts and allow ample recovery. I do anywhere from 10+ bursts per session
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    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    My goal right now is recomp to lean bulk. Idc about scale ever so long as the mirror is ok... I hardly ever weigh myself. I haven't done liss in months. I keep all my interval training from 20 to 60 second bursts and allow ample recovery. I do anywhere from 10+ bursts per session
    That's good stuff. Great for your heart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drewsicle3210 View Post

    That's good stuff. Great for your heart.
    Yea. I used to have to run timed mile and half and will have to again at some point. I'm not looking froward to that bc it's pointless and detrimental to my overall goals.

    The only time I do liss is when I'm warming up for lifts on non HIIT days... And no more than 5-10 mins
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    Quote Originally Posted by kanakaboy747 View Post
    Aloha, I've been on versa-1 about a week notice a little more energy in the gym, but no real streath gains.
    this week on versa-1, Agmatine, & oxy elite.
    went from 30.2% BF to 29.8%. thats prety good for 7 days.
    this week will start Versa-1, OxyElite, Test powder Preworkout, BCAA during, & Agmatine, oxyElite later in the day.
    Tomarrow will be a lite day, TRX class with a little xtra cardio.
    I will be posting & look'n help to reach my goals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kanakaboy747 View Post
    Aloha, I've been on versa-1 about a week notice a little more energy in the gym, but no real streath gains.
    this week on versa-1, Agmatine, & oxy elite.
    went from 30.2% BF to 29.8%. thats prety good for 7 days.
    this week will start Versa-1, OxyElite, Test powder Preworkout, BCAA during, & Agmatine, oxyElite later in the day.
    Tomarrow will be a lite day, TRX class with a little xtra cardio.
    I will be posting & look'n help to reach my goals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by borobulker View Post
    How many of you are consuming BCAA with your carbs?
    Well, I don't consume them together, other than naturally occuring BCAA's in my food.
    I currently do IF, so I drink my Perform BCAA's pre and intra, then my Modern BCAA's until I eat at noon
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    Quote Originally Posted by drewsicle3210 View Post
    Well, I don't consume them together, other than naturally occuring BCAA's in my food.
    I currently do IF, so I drink my Perform BCAA's pre and intra, then my Modern BCAA's until I eat at noon
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    Quote Originally Posted by borobulker View Post

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    Quote Originally Posted by borobulker View Post
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    • Glycene: Supplementing with this amino around exercise is very important because muscles release more glycine during fasted exercise than any other amino, which creates a catabolic state.
    • Alanine: Also released at very high rates during fasted exercise, making supplementation important to preventing a catabolic state.†
    • Taurine: The most abundant amino acid in skeletal muscle. A recent animal study demonstrated that when muscles are low in taurine, muscle function and performance were significantly reduced.†
    • Lysine: This essential amino acid has been shown to preserve leucine in a protein starved state.†

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    • The second amino acid has been shown to have similarly beneficial effects. When this amino was ingested with a carb source, it was able to maximize the anabolic potential of insulin while minimizing the lipogenic effects of insulin. The key takeaway from both of these ingredients is that you want to maximize the levels of the highly anabolic hormone insulin, yet minimize its lipogenic potential since insulin doesn’t discriminate between being highly anabolic to muscle or fat. By utilizing these key amino acids, you can maintain or even improve the anabolic potential of insulin upon skeletal muscle, while reducing the lipogenic or fat gaining effects the hormone can have.†

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    Those look great, but I am stacked on BCAA's. I will try them next though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drewsicle3210 View Post
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    Oooh, on a much much better note, I see some great prices on USPLabs products at NP. OEP og is down, C20 is down, PowerFULL. I am going to grab some of these while the gettin is good.
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    Well.. you would hate to see my stash if that is considered stocked up
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Solution View Post
    Well.. you would hate to see my stash if that is considered stocked up
    No, I would love to. And that's just my BCAA's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Solution View Post
    I know Layne has spotted some good research to show long bursts of LISS can slow the metabolism (he posted a link to it in his workout journal on bodybuilding.com regarding it).
    I just saw that vid last night. Quite the eye opener.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Solution View Post
    Well.. you would hate to see my stash if that is considered stocked up
    I just want to see everything of yours laid out in a room..I'm all. Out of bcaas as of today.
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    The new MBCAA+ is ridiculously awesome. Yes, its only 30 servings instead of 35...BUT there are 15g per serving instead of the original 10g. So all in all you get more aminos per serving and also the new delicious watermelon flavor!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dkgreene88 View Post
    I just want to see everything of yours laid out in a room..I'm all. Out of bcaas as of today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Solution View Post
    Video here:



    + i have 2 more bottles Prime,
    CP 20,
    5 more bottles AP,
    2 bottles Micro Jacked
    3 more bottles Versa-1
    2 More bottles Powerfull

    8 different tubs of BCAA's
    40 pounds of whey

    Then all my essentials:

    Fish-Oil
    Multi
    Digestive Enzyme
    probiotic
    Vitamin D3
    Nice stash.
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    That is one hell of a stack brother...I thought mine was extensive lol.
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    i ran the exact same stack (minus PowerFull). Loved it. Can NOT wait till my spring cut. Alphamine + PowerFull + Versa 1 + Compound 20 + (Prime?...maybe)
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    Quote Originally Posted by drewsicle3210 View Post

    While that is a true statement, I am stacked.
    :-)

    I couldn't resist I'm in on this too

    This is what my wife has to put up with :-) an I'm pretty sure she only knows about half of it cause she doesn't snoop through my stuff haha.



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    Beside my bed stash on bottom of my end table



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    Beside my bed..



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    Box beside my bed in the corner :-)



    And I have a box in transit with some Jacked3D and MBCAAs in it :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Solution View Post

    Video here:

    YouTube Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPNnS_XuG_I

    + i have 2 more bottles Prime,
    CP 20,
    5 more bottles AP,
    2 bottles Micro Jacked
    3 more bottles Versa-1
    2 More bottles Powerfull

    8 different tubs of BCAA's
    40 pounds of whey

    Then all my essentials:

    Fish-Oil
    Multi
    Digestive Enzyme
    probiotic
    Vitamin D3
    I mean everything + usplabs
    Haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by dkgreene88 View Post
    I mean everything + usplabs
    Haha
    WOuld not fit...

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    Quote Originally Posted by R1balla View Post
    i ran the exact same stack (minus PowerFull). Loved it. Can NOT wait till my spring cut. Alphamine + PowerFull + Versa 1 + Compound 20 + (Prime?...maybe)
    Nice stack. I've got a very similar lineup for my cut.
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    Quote Originally Posted by breezy11 View Post
    Nice stack. I've got a very similar lineup for my cut.
    i am also considering alphamine + ABE + EP + Versa 1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R1balla View Post

    i am also considering alphamine + ABE + EP + Versa 1.
    Right now I have what you mentioned (without Prime as of now) with Test Powder, AP, and a combination of Erase/EP and AB/ABE. It'll be at least an 8 week run, but I haven't planned how I'll use everything yet. I'm going to recomp for a month or so before I get started.
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