Of course the pre/post didn't work, non of their stuff does. HGH patch? Creatine patch?Originally Posted by YYZgeddylee
Come on guys, really??
Got some backing for that statement, or do you figure your word and credibility alone is enough. The dude you quoted was the very happy with his results from the HGH patch, and he is not the only one (see SUppjunkies log for referrence). Also, I am not sure how a 25mg dose of somatotropin (Pharma grade HGH) could "not work" unless you have some evidence that the patch does not contain that.
I will however concede that a number of people have not been too happy with the pre/post patch.
Sorry if I sound cross, but if you are going to come in here and slam a company, please:
A) Don't make broad sweeping generalizations
B) Bring a shred of evidence (at least) to support your position.
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B.) Dont need evidence.Originally Posted by taman6886
3.) Dont care to.
Carry on with the scams. I was just browsing. I'm out...
If you care to prove your claims, Ageforce does have a newsletter which gives its subscribers great deals and once in a while free trials even.Originally Posted by therealest77
I personally have had great luck with the patches I've used.
Hi FL3X,Originally Posted by FL3X MAGNUM
I wasn't planning on returning, but received an email from someone telling me that I received a response the what I posted, and that I probably should get in and respond.
With that said, I can indeed back my claims; but I honestly dont care to. From a scientific standpoint, I don't see how the HGH or the Creatine patch would work. A friend if mine works for a pharmaceutical company (and although it's been 14 years since I've graduated from college, I still remember some things from chemistry classes) he seems to feel the same way.
With Carl's advertising (disappointed, but I understand) you guys are going to be successful. And I'm not here to bash. Eitherway, enjoy your success.
I remember reading that the molecules of gh are too large to penetrate the skin.
There is a study on a hair follicle delivery of insuline and hGH mediated by a coadministred peptide: http://www.nature.com/nbt/journal/v2...l/nbt1193.htmlOriginally Posted by Mafesto31
It is on rats and they say that since there is less follicles on human skin it might be tougher.
I never used Ageforce's products, so I have hell no opinion on HOW or IF they work at all. However, according to the above study it could be possible to deliver molecules larger than 500-1000 Da.
Check out my current log: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/195262-iforce-tropinol-testabolan.html
Very good read, I am def curious about trying the product.
I think since this is my thread that I should jump in here, LOL, I mean, I did make the log. I have not been here for a while, as I have a ton of other things going on. That being said, YES, I used this product last year after I had not one but two major surgeries. Everything that I said in the thread was true, for me. Looking back, I ran the HGH patch for about four months give or take. Immediately the things I noticed and can remember without having to look back at what I wrote was, WAY BETTER SLEEP and some KICKA*S vivid dreams. I really slept good and felt awesome when I got up in the morning. Energy seemed better as well. Now, can that be a direct relation to sleeping better, damn right it is. And one side effect I remember was the tingling I kept getting in my hands. Now, I can not say what is in the patch, is it HGH, I dont know and I know the whole molecule thing being to big to get through the skin and into the bloodstream etc. So if it is not HGH, could it be something else, sure. Could it be Melatonin, yah I guess, because I slept really good, but the only thing is, I never had the Melatonin hangover headache that I get from straight Melatonin pills I bought from the store. Also, no other product, other then Beta Alainine has giving me tingling in my body but with Beta Alanine, I felt the tingling all over, my hands, my feet, my face etc,. With the HGH patch, it is strictly to my hands. Anyway, I also leaned down a bit when I used the HGH patches, but at the same time, I was dieting and had alay off from training and when I started training again, I was doing higher reps then normal.
That being said, I know there is alot of controversy about this company and so be it. The bottom line is, would I use the HGH patch again. The answer is YES, I would. I would use it mainly to help me sleep better and for more energy. That would be my focus.
Anyway, take care
BTW, THe Pre/Posty patch did not work for me however, based on my experience with the HGH patch, I would be willing to try some other of their products down the road,and I just might do that..SJ
Thank you for providing your subsequent thoughts, SuppJunkie. I wonder if the formula for the pre/post workout patch is just not good, or if the effects are just too subtle for people to notice.
Most of us take so much other stuff that its hard to tell what's working and what isn't.Originally Posted by Cogrick2
The pre/post has actually been reformulated now.
I just ordered the trial box with the recurring monthly purchases.
VERY EXCITED to try this out, anyone have any info they'd like to share about stacking this with DAA and creatine monohydrate?
Also, I've been searching around and haven't found anything mentioned about PCT on the powerpatch. What do I need to be thinking about?
Thanks, love the site!