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    Quote Originally Posted by jjmath
    I'm gonna start pro anabolic kit. Should I start it pre workout Monday morning or off day Sunday to assess tolerance?
    Either way is cool. I would just start it Monday.
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    Awesome. Thanks for the answers. I'm pumped
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjmath
    Awesome. Thanks for the answers. I'm pumped
    Good to hear man and sorry for not replying sooner. Somehow missed it. I've been using my phone mostly lately and it seems easier to miss things on here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CopyCat

    Good to hear man and sorry for not replying sooner. Somehow missed it. I've been using my phone mostly lately and it seems easier to miss things on here.
    No worries. Thanks for the answers. One more question: do I take the deca and the 4-ad at the same time or space them out?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjmath

    No worries. Thanks for the answers. One more question: do I take the deca and the 4-ad at the same time or space them out?
    Space them out. About an hour will be fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CopyCat

    Space them out. About an hour will be fine.
    Okay,sorry, which one first? I train at 6:00 AM ( get up at 5:30 for meal and supps)
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjmath

    Okay,sorry, which one first? I train at 6:00 AM ( get up at 5:30 for meal and supps)
    Either one. I always took the deca first. In fact the over all order I always took 1 andro first, then deca and then the 4ad. So that's the preference of order for me. The hierarchy if you will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CopyCat View Post
    Either one. I always took the deca first. In fact the over all order I always took 1 andro first, then deca and then the 4ad. So that's the preference of order for me. The hierarchy if you will.
    I took them in that order as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tattoopierced1

    I took them in that order as well.
    It helped keep me honest in spacing the 1andro and 4ad far enough apart lol
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    Today is day four. I have tons of energy especially in the afternoons which has been a problem for me lately.

    Stupid me though, with a ridiculous schedule yesterday it looks like I missed the afternoon dose of 4-ad. Do I just skip it or double up at some point today, before bed, maybe?
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    Just skip it and resume as normal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tattoopierced1 View Post
    Just skip it and resume as normal.
    what he said
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    Quote Originally Posted by tattoopierced1
    Just skip it and resume as normal.
    I concur.
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    Hey guys. I've heard about "drying out" on this product. Does that refer to water weight or is it this intense dry sinus feeling I have. I swear there's a fire in my nose!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjmath
    Hey guys. I've heard about "drying out" on this product. Does that refer to water weight or is it this intense dry sinus feeling I have. I swear there's a fire in my nose!
    Usually when people in here say drying out or the sorts they usually mean water weight.

    You may need to increase your fluid intake if you feel your sinuses are too dry. It may also be just the weather and dry air in your area. Hard to gauge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CopyCat

    Usually when people in here say drying out or the sorts they usually mean water weight.

    You may need to increase your fluid intake if you feel your sinuses are too dry. It may also be just the weather and dry air in your area. Hard to gauge.
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    So, I'm three days into the PCT. I gained a solid 6lbs. I don't think I got any leaner, but I definitely did not add any fat. I am quite happy with the results.

    I am thinking I would like to do it again, but with something much stronger.

    What would you recommend, and how long should I wait?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjmath View Post
    So, I'm three days into the PCT. I gained a solid 6lbs. I don't think I got any leaner, but I definitely did not add any fat. I am quite happy with the results.

    I am thinking I would like to do it again, but with something much stronger.

    What would you recommend, and how long should I wait?
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    No royd, pro anabolic kit
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjmath
    No royd, pro anabolic kit
    Well, the natural progression would be to add in 1ad (anabolic growth kit). The addition of 1ad will definitely add mass and strength. You could also consider adding in Augmentor as well.

    Blood work obviously is the only way to truly tell if you have fully recovered and are ready for another cycle, but otherwise the general rule of thumb is usually time on+pct=time off. The idea is to let your body hit a good level of homeostasis and give it some recovery time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CopyCat

    Well, the natural progression would be to add in 1ad (anabolic growth kit). The addition of 1ad will definitely add mass and strength. You could also consider adding in Augmentor as well.

    Blood work obviously is the only way to truly tell if you have fully recovered and are ready for another cycle, but otherwise the general rule of thumb is usually time on+pct=time off. The idea is to let your body hit a good level of homeostasis and give it some recovery time.
    I have just recently begun my experiment with AMS anabolic products. First week with 1 alpha(now discontinued vitamin shoppe product) and now throwing in 4 AD rd. Then a PTC of Arom x rd. Was wondering should I just stick with something simple since its my first cycle? Or should I add something like decavol to it. I not exactly sure what to expect from what I am doing now.
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    im stacking 4ad with p-mag, do you see any need to stack an OTC ai during the cycle?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 22bandit
    im stacking 4ad with p-mag, do you see any need to stack an OTC ai during the cycle?
    I wouldn't think you would, but each person can be different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 22bandit View Post
    im stacking 4ad with p-mag, do you see any need to stack an OTC ai during the cycle?
    I wouldnt, shouldnt really be a need
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    I just started a 4ad + 1 andro stack cycle this week. Im noticing some hair loss in the shower post workout. Not a lot, but still a little concerned. Wondering if i should cut down to one ph or if there is a better solution. Any suggestions?
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    Quote Originally Posted by T Hunk
    I just started a 4ad + 1 andro stack cycle this week. Im noticing some hair loss in the shower post workout. Not a lot, but still a little concerned. Wondering if i should cut down to one ph or if there is a better solution. Any suggestions?
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    If anyone here has ever run a log of 4-AD solo, what effects were noticed in terms of gains? Is it even worth it to take 4-AD for a standalone cycle?
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    I phased out the 1-Andro and phased in Decavol. So now I am running the 4-AD with the Decavol. I am taking one of each three times daily. It seems to be putting on mass but I will see what my measurements are at the end of the month.

    On a different subject, I have read on here that it isn't a good idea to use a preworkout like Jack3d with a PH cycle because it elevates the blood pressure too high. Is that the general consensus? Because I still don't feel too pumped before my workout even after taking the PHs. Should I increase the dosage of the PH or take a little Jack3d preworkout?
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    Quote Originally Posted by T Hunk View Post
    I phased out the 1-Andro and phased in Decavol. So now I am running the 4-AD with the Decavol. I am taking one of each three times daily. It seems to be putting on mass but I will see what my measurements are at the end of the month.

    On a different subject, I have read on here that it isn't a good idea to use a preworkout like Jack3d with a PH cycle because it elevates the blood pressure too high. Is that the general consensus? Because I still don't feel too pumped before my workout even after taking the PHs. Should I increase the dosage of the PH or take a little Jack3d preworkout?

    You can take a preworkout, that's fine. Just watch your b/p. If you feel it spiking and such, back off a little. Other then that it's fine.
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    Im using the 1 andro and 4 ad and im 2 weeks in and think its a great product. My only question is when stacking the two should i be taking the 4 ad and 1 andro at the same time? for the past two weeks ive been taking them together. Should i take 4ad first thing in the am then 4 hrs later take 1andro and so on. the directions say to hold for thirty seconds to let it disolve well it doesnt disolve in thirty seconds so swallowing a 3/4 melted tab it what i get. whould a full disolve be better, it would take about five min or so just trying to see where i may find the best effect. thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by gravitygames View Post
    Im using the 1 andro and 4 ad and im 2 weeks in and think its a great product. My only question is when stacking the two should i be taking the 4 ad and 1 andro at the same time? for the past two weeks ive been taking them together. Should i take 4ad first thing in the am then 4 hrs later take 1andro and so on. the directions say to hold for thirty seconds to let it disolve well it doesnt disolve in thirty seconds so swallowing a 3/4 melted tab it what i get. whould a full disolve be better, it would take about five min or so just trying to see where i may find the best effect. thanks

    Space the 1ad and 4ad out a bit. 20-30 min apart at least. They compete in similar pathways and you want the 1ad to be the one reaching its target hormone as the mass builder.

    I prefer to space them out evenly alternating about 4 hrs. So...
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    This helps keep steady flows of hormones and avoids the high peaks and low troughs.

    As far as them dissolving, you can bite them in half, then hld under toungue and they'll dissolve faster. but don't chew them up. Either way you want as much as possible to absorb via the mucosa. Which in turns helps it bypass 1st pass of liver
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    thanks alot that clears up my thoughts on the ams tabs and stack plan. I had the same in mind but there no sturdy directions on the stack. thanks copycat. Just one more question if ur around. Do you know of similar products that are stronger, dry not liver toxic. Any recomendations are well heard my way. thanks again
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    Quote Originally Posted by gravitygames View Post
    thanks alot that clears up my thoughts on the ams tabs and stack plan. I had the same in mind but there no sturdy directions on the stack. thanks copycat. Just one more question if ur around. Do you know of similar products that are stronger, dry not liver toxic. Any recomendations are well heard my way. thanks again

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