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  1. i asked this question earlier, but i didnt get a reply.

    im just wondering if i where to throw this version of 4-AD in a transdermal solution will it absorb better or should i just stick to the oral route?


  2. 1-AD, 4-AD and DecaVol stack worked great. 17lbs in 4 weeks. Only lost 3 lbs in PCT.

    Great products AMS. Keep up that good work
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  3. Would I need a serm with this or would otc pct be ok?
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    I think it is always necessary to have a SERM or AI (depending on what you are using) on hand in case of an emergency.

  5. I think AIs are a lot cheaper and easier to get plus they are legal. Would something like novedex be sufficient?
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by JOHNJESSICA20 View Post
    1-Androsterone cannot convert to estrogen or DHT, so gyno and hair loss are not a concern either. If you run the AROM-X for the sufficient amount of time & dosage you should have no problems with recovery. If you still have concerns you can always throw something else in there to help get your natural test pumping again.

    So are you saying if you use 1-ad as a stand alone as serm isn't (necesserally) need? But advisable? How about when stacked with 4-ad?

    I'm sure you've had this quesiton a 100 times before but I haven't seen a definative answer on this, maybe it's just a difference of opinion and some people are willing to take more risks than others.
  7. tattoopierced1
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caboose View Post
    So are you saying if you use 1-ad as a stand alone as serm isn't (necesserally) need? But advisable? How about when stacked with 4-ad?

    I'm sure you've had this quesiton a 100 times before but I haven't seen a definative answer on this, maybe it's just a difference of opinion and some people are willing to take more risks than others.
    I think what is trying to be said is that if you are prone to gyno, you should be proactive and have a SERM on hand, however, for PCT purposes, AromX is sufficient for 1andro/4ad

  8. Quote Originally Posted by tattoopierced1 View Post
    I think what is trying to be said is that if you are prone to gyno, you should be proactive and have a SERM on hand, however, for PCT purposes, AromX is sufficient for 1andro/4ad
    Exactly!

  9. Thanks for that guys

  10. Good thread with a lot of interesting info!!!

    BTW, i know both hormonals are milder on hair, but which do you think is milder on hair 1-AD or 4-AD?

  11. Quote Originally Posted by JBerto View Post
    Good thread with a lot of interesting info!!!

    BTW, i know both hormonals are milder on hair, but which do you think is milder on hair 1-AD or 4-AD?
    4-AD or 1-ANDRO does not directly convert to estrogen or DHT, you should be good with either at reasonable dosages.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by JOHNJESSICA20 View Post
    4-AD or 1-ANDRO does not directly convert to estrogen or DHT, you should be good with either at reasonable dosages.
    OK, thanks!

    I think 1-AD converts to 1-testosterone and 4-AD converts to testosterone. I'm using propecia (finasteride), and finasteride inhibits testosterone conversion to dht, so maybe 4-ad + finasteride would be the safest option for me (i don't know the effects of a 5ar inhibitor like finasteride on 1-test).

    I'll try 4AD + Finasteride.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by JBerto View Post
    OK, thanks!

    I think 1-AD converts to 1-testosterone and 4-AD converts to testosterone. I'm using propecia (finasteride), and finasteride inhibits testosterone conversion to dht, so maybe 4-ad + finasteride would be the safest option for me (i don't know the effects of a 5ar inhibitor like finasteride on 1-test).

    I'll try 4AD + Finasteride.
    Good luck my man.

  14. Be careful with the finasteride dosage. Since it helps stop test from converting to DHT, you will have more estrogen because DHT acts as an antagonist of Test. Keep an eye out for estrogen related effects like gyno.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by dg806 View Post
    Be careful with the finasteride dosage. Since it helps stop test from converting to DHT, you will have more estrogen because DHT acts as an antagonist of Test. Keep an eye out for estrogen related effects like gyno.
    Thanks bro!

    Anyway I'm runing finasteride since years ago and without any estrogen or gyno problems at all (and sometimes i run 5mg/day!!!)

    From my personal experience, i think estrogen problems of finasteride are "over-rated".

    Next month i'll start my cycle of 4-ad + finasteride (well, i'll really run 4-AD + Bold + HDrol + Finasteride).

    I have done many cycles of bold + hdrol + finasteride in the past with good gains without any sides (no gyno, no hairloss), and since 4-ad seems to be mild on hair too (is testosterone related, not dht-based) i think 4-ad + bold + hdrol + finasteride must be an amazing stack!!!

  16. Quote Originally Posted by JBerto View Post
    Good thread with a lot of interesting info!!!

    BTW, i know both hormonals are milder on hair, but which do you think is milder on hair 1-AD or 4-AD?
    Def, the 4-ad is lighter on the hair.
    doing my own thang!

  17. So can I compare 4AD to inj. Testosteron? I read that 600mg 4AD equals ~100mg Test. So would I get equal results when I take 600mg 4AD everyday like 100mg Test Propoinat injected everyday?

  18. Quote Originally Posted by mcgeier View Post
    So can I compare 4AD to inj. Testosteron? I read that 600mg 4AD equals ~100mg Test. So would I get equal results when I take 600mg 4AD everyday like 100mg Test Propoinat injected everyday?
    The simple answer is no....Mostly because of bioavailability.

    A steroid, or more correctly and anabolic steroid, is an exogenous hormone.

    Use of an anabolic steroid increases ones hormone levels to supra-physiological levels (i.e. levels one could not achieve naturally).

    Most steroids are inactive when taken orally, thus they are injected. A few are altered (like dianabol) to make them active orally. One such method is my methylating the steroid. The methylation cause the steroid to pass through the liver mostly unharmed. This, however, makes it quite taxing on the liver.



    A "pro-hormone" is something that is not an active hormone (like a steroid) but it is a precursor to a steroid. In other words, there are enzymes in your body that can convert the PH into an active hormone (steroid).

    For example, 4-androstendiol will convert to testosterone (via an enzyme in the body).

    1, 4 androstendiol will convert to boldenone (a steroid).

    1 androstendiol (1-AD) will convert to 1-testosterone.


    So, PHs (and PSs) in order to qualify as a "dietary supplement" must be taken orally (pursuant to the DSHEA). So you again are back to the issue of how potent this PH/PS will be, since it is not very "bioavailable".

    People estimate that the PH/PSs are anywhere from 5-40% bioavailable. Some individuals have injected these (illegally) in which case you'd see results similar to various illegal anabolic compounds.

    So, the biggest difference between PHs (and especially PSs) and illegal anabolic compounds is the delivery mechanism.




    Hope this helps.

  19. Hi,

    I have a question.Can I stack 4-AD with NRGX-Labs Tren 13-Ethyl?I found a lot off different statements and I am little confused.Please,give me some unswers...Thank you

  20. Quote Originally Posted by polarbear79 View Post
    Hi,

    I have a question.Can I stack 4-AD with NRGX-Labs Tren 13-Ethyl?I found a lot off different statements and I am little confused.Please,give me some unswers...Thank you
    Was u worried about libido loss during the cycle? I would'nt see no problem with it at reasonable dosages.

  21. which is more effective, the single dose of 4-ad rd tabs, or double dose of 4-ad utt 120ml?

  22. Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    which is more effective, the single dose of 4-ad rd tabs, or double dose of 4-ad utt 120ml?
    4-AD UTT. But spread them out at least an hour.
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by Royd The Noyd View Post
    4-AD UTT. But spread them out at least an hour.
    thanks brother.
  24. more about hair loss


    Sorry to beat a dead horse here, but....if I'm 33, never tried anything like this before and there is absolutely no MPB on either side of my families, a straight up exactly as directions say pro anabolic kit once only will almost certainly be totally safe for the amazingly sweet flowing locks on my dome, yeah?
  25. tattoopierced1
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjmath View Post
    Sorry to beat a dead horse here, but....if I'm 33, never tried anything like this before and there is absolutely no MPB on either side of my families, a straight up exactly as directions say pro anabolic kit once only will almost certainly be totally safe for the amazingly sweet flowing locks on my dome, yeah?
    your flowing locks should be cool.
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