Why did Ursobolic suck so hard?

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  1. Why did Ursobolic suck so hard?


    I did a search and seems 3/4 of the people who tried at very high doses got nothing. Sorry if you already addressed it but I wanted to know what you thought.


  2. I tried it and didn't notice ne thing at all, for me it was a waste of money
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  3. Probably to do with:

    - Only tested on rats
    - No real idea of a good dose for humans (no beta trial)
    - No real idea of how to take i.e. with food, with fats, empty stomach, etc. (no beta trial)
    - Unreal expectations of the users. The distributor (PA) had previously released some great products so people expected the same from this. The only info from Pat was 'it kept me lean during the Summer when I was drinking a lot'. There was no mention of other supps being taken, training, etc.

    If this product had been beta tested then chances are it would never have been released due to the lack of results in most users.

    TBH the whole Ursobolic thing reminded me of the informercials you see on tv. A pill is advertised that means you don't have to have a strict diet and you can still lose weight or remain lean if you spend time drinking a lot of alcohol/eating crappy food. A lot of people here jumped on the bandwagon and then wonder why they didn't get the fantastic (read unrealistic) results they expected.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by warsteiner View Post
    Probably to do with:

    - Only tested on rats
    - No real idea of a good dose for humans (no beta trial)
    - No real idea of how to take i.e. with food, with fats, empty stomach, etc. (no beta trial)
    - Unreal expectations of the users. The distributor (PA) had previously released some great products so people expected the same from this. The only info from Pat was 'it kept me lean during the Summer when I was drinking a lot'. There was no mention of other supps being taken, training, etc.

    If this product had been beta tested then chances are it would never have been released due to the lack of results in most users.

    TBH the whole Ursobolic thing reminded me of the informercials you see on tv. A pill is advertised that means you don't have to have a strict diet and you can still lose weight or remain lean if you spend time drinking a lot of alcohol/eating crappy food. A lot of people here jumped on the bandwagon and then wonder why they didn't get the fantastic (read unrealistic) results they expected.
    And a lot of folks got a lot out of it, self included. I was able to eat a lot more carbs and get leaner. When I went off over the Christmas break and deep into january I gained a lot excess fat and have mostly whittled it down sice restarting. There is no such thing as a miracle pill and more isn't necessarily more. I used 3x3 dosing and got great results. I also followed instruction ate it with fat etc. I wonder how many of the non responders took it regularly and multiple times pre day? Also lowered my bp. Look around the boards there a lot of folks touting it as a pct must as they are holding onto their gains. I think the reason most were disenchanted is that is takes a while to see results and most people seek instant gratification
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by Cool View Post
    I did a search and seems 3/4 of the people who tried at very high doses got nothing. Sorry if you already addressed it but I wanted to know what you thought.
    What type of search did you do and how did you arrive at 3 out of 4 ?
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by truthornothin View Post
    What type of search did you do and how did you arrive at 3 out of 4 ?
    Searched here at AM. 3/4 is an estimate but overall you can't deny the reviews have been largely disappointing .

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Cool View Post
    I did a search and seems 3/4 of the people who tried at very high doses got nothing. Sorry if you already addressed it but I wanted to know what you thought.
    It works very well for a lot of people. it will reduce fat over time and you cant expect it to do miracles in a week or two

    maybe i should have given free bottles out to the typical ass kissers who could have fillled the pages with fake positive reviews.
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  8. LMAO PA, I don't post much in here, but it is always good to read your writings.

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  9. the product works....sometimes fail diets , trainings or rest.

  10. if USP labs or someone like that introduced the exact same product then you would be saying 9 out of 10 reviews say its absolutely mindblowing
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    if USP labs or someone like that
    Compound 20 appears to suck for 3x the $$$ :jusyin:

  12. PA, if muscletech introduced de same product.. sales will be tremendous

    same problem with coleus forskholii, if you buy a 10% standardized, you don't get benefits

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Cool View Post
    Compound 20 appears to suck for 3x the $$$ :jusyin:
    so what out there now doesnt suck?
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  14. i have made a breakthrough in Ursolic acid formulation btw, but i am not giving any details at this time. you all will have to wait and see
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  15. Department of Nutrition and Food Hygiene, Public Health College, Harbin Medical University, Harbin, P. R. China.
    Abstract

    Ursolic acid (UA) is a pentacyclic triterpenic acid with many biological functions naturally existing in many kinds of food. To investigate whether UA can accelerate lipolysis, primary-cultured rat adipocytes were treated with UA, and glycerol release in the culture medium was measured. UA stimulated lipolysis significantly. Furthermore, the lipolytic effect of UA was inhibited by the protein kinase A (PKA) specific inhibitor H89, suggesting that UA exerted its lipolytic function through the cAMP-dependent PKA pathway. Downstream targets of the PKA pathway, hormone-sensitive lipase (HSL) and perilipin A were checked, UA enhanced lipolysis by promoting the translocation of HSL from the cytosol to the lipid droplets and inhibiting the expression of perilipin A. Additionally, adipose triglyceride lipase (ATGL), a novel rate-limiting lipase in the lipolytic catabolism, was upregulated by UA. UA-induced expression of ATGL could not be blocked by H89, suggesting that ATGL upregulation is not regulated by the PKA pathway. These findings suggest that UA significantly stimulates lipolysis by translocating HSL, decreasing perilipin A expression by the PKA pathway, and up-regulating ATGL in primary cultured adipocytes. Thus, UA is a promising candidate for the treatment of obesity.

    PMID: 20521271 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    so what out there now doesnt suck?
    Excellent question. CL Blue Gene, Erase/Erase-Pro, DS Triazole and Athletix Titanium. Craze is popular, Super Size. Apparently Anabeta is a God-send. Just a few off the top of my head. There are very few non-PH/PS's IMO.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Cool View Post
    Excellent question. CL Blue Gene, Erase/Erase-Pro, DS Triazole and Athletix Titanium. Craze is popular, Super Size. Apparently Anabeta is a God-send. Just a few off the top of my head. There are very few non-PH/PS's IMO.
    u must have checked the logs
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  18. prime, powerfull, compound, aplodan ..... :S

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    u must have checked the logs
    My bad for thinking that was an honest question. Half of those I listed I've tried and can vouch for. A few of those I did not like but yes, the good bro's do. Log's are not perfect, but they're not automatically BS either. There ALOT of products that don't work but I think that list is pretty decent

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Cool View Post
    My bad for thinking that was an honest question. Half of those I listed I've tried and can vouch for. A few of those I did not like but yes, the good bro's do. Log's are not perfect, but they're not automatically BS either. There ALOT of products that don't work but I think that list is pretty decent
    you come on here, my forum, with a title that explicitly says my product sucks. that is a direct insult

    do you think that was appropriate? couldnt you have handled that a little more diplomatically? you expect me to take you seriously after that?
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  21. Just the internet man, did that actually offend you? If you are being serious then I apologize. I didn't pull that idea out of thin air. Those were the words of several people who have tried it. Titles like that get people clicking. Good luck with future endeavors. Peace.

  22. After spending thousands of dollars on supps with little to show for it, I am becomming less and less enamored with the whole industry. However, I did buy 5 bottles of Ursolic Acid primarily because it was indroduced by PA. Thus far everything I have tried from him has worked, more or less with this exception. I started UA at 8 caps/day for about two weeks with no reuslts. I then went to 12 caps/day for another two weeks with no results. I finished off the rest of bottles at 18 caps/day with no results. I won't say that it was a complete waist of money there are health benefits to be had.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    It works very well for a lot of people. it will reduce fat over time and you cant expect it to do miracles in a week or two

    maybe i should have given free bottles out to the typical ass kissers who could have fillled the pages with fake positive reviews.

    Yes it works well for me. I'm taking it now and it works extremely well and helping me gain mass and keep from getting fat. It seems to work better with higher caloric intake. This is not a fake positive review. I paid for all my bottles and will continue to take it.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    i have made a breakthrough in Ursolic acid formulation btw, but i am not giving any details at this time. you all will have to wait and see
    So then can I trade in my bottles I have now for the new version?.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Cool View Post
    Just the internet man, did that actually offend you? If you are being serious then I apologize. I didn't pull that idea out of thin air. Those were the words of several people who have tried it. Titles like that get people clicking. Good luck with future endeavors. Peace.
    next time you are in a decent restaurant go into the kitchen and say to the cook "why does your chicken piccata suck so hard?"

    After you dodge the frying pan thrown at your face you can give him a dumb look and say "did that actually offend you?"
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  26. Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    So then can I trade in my bottles I have now for the new version?.
    we are still a ways off from a "new version" my friend
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  27. LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO

    love me some PA sarcasm

    hahaha

    ur a trip dude

    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    next time you are in a decent restaurant go into the kitchen and say to the cook "why does your chicken piccata suck so hard?"

    After you dodge the frying pan thrown at your face you can give him a dumb look and say "did that actually offend you?"
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  28. Never enough
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    so Cool, if you saw that only 1 out of 4 were positive, before I go hunting through looking did you notice any common details among the people who were successful? timing, taking fats with it, overall macros, overall calorie level, cardio level, starting bodyfat level, height to weight ratio, etc? Or if anyone else has noticed a common theme, feel free to chime in.
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  29. My results with urso have been similar to truth's. For what it's worth I dosed 12 caps daily with fats.

  30. ursobolic + omega 3 (3 gr ED) , great combo
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