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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    a lowered TSH could be indicative of a higher metabolism but it certainly isnt a cause of it.
    I know. I guess I should not speak so loosely to someone who knows so much

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    you didnt measure thyroid hormones, just TSH?
    yes, did levels also. t3 t4 and free t3 I believe. I lost my copy and only remembered my tsh level is why I quoted it. When I go back I will have doc give me my print outs again
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    It works very well for a lot of people. it will reduce fat over time and you cant expect it to do miracles in a week or two

    maybe i should have given free bottles out to the typical ass kissers who could have fillled the pages with fake positive reviews.
    So much win here. Go to almost any forum and count the number of fully negative logs that are sponsored. Hell go through the 300 some odd pages of reviews and logs on this site. Count the sponsored logs/reviews. Now count the negative vs. the positive ones. Mind blowing how positive people are with free products.

    I have a list of supplements I think are pretty much garbage that I've used and friends have used. These are some of the most positive reviewed supplements around...including on this board but the trick is most of those reviews are all the initial log type people. Often its the SAME people who just jump from free supp to free supp to rain the praise on. It pays (in future free products) to be fake...yeah yeah I know even when everyone puts in the first paragraph "unbiased honest truth bro!"

    Simply spot on. I have no idea if Ursobolic works or not, I haven't used it. I do know that I "trust" sponsored logs and reviews about as much as I trust candidates for president.
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    I review honestly. I got a very abrupt reply from the company owner last time I did it lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdcc View Post
    I review honestly. I got a very abrupt reply from the company owner last time I did it lol.
    I wasn't trying to say all reviewers are dishonest. Just the vast, vast, majority of them. Maybe dishonest isn't right...biased and have an incentive (got a free product and I owe you or future free product) to paint the product in as positive a light as possible.
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    i get people messaging me asking if they can get some free product for logging. they send me links to other logs they do so i can see how good they are at logging.

    I am not stupid, I can read through the lines. They mean to say "if you send me free product i will give you a real positive review"

    I generally send them a nice message back but I let them know that i prefer not to have to pay for positive reviews, and that i trust my products will stand on their own merit
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    Quote Originally Posted by shinivan View Post
    Patrick, taking this into account, would it be better to take 1-2 caps 6 times a day instead of the standard 3 caps 3 times a day or 1-2 caps is too low?

    Also, is your new urso version only a "more bioavailable" urso or have you discovered something new? the word you used "breakthrough" sounds very encouraging.
    I would not take "breakthrough" very serious if it came from jacob but coming from you it means serrious business.

    Please give us a hint of something after all, a lot of us are actual faithful consumers for years.
    I have started taking 2 caps at each meal instead of only 2 or 3 doses. This to me seems to be working better but it may be my imagination.

    I shall continue to take it though due to all the health benefits.
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    Ursobolic worked well for keeping my fat off during the holiday season.
    It also seemed to improve my digestion a little bit as well.
    Stacked with Slin-Sane or C-20 it seems to work even better.

    I think a lot of people expect PH/AAS/ECA type gains off this stuff.
    And that is expecting too much.
    It is a supplement which means it is something to add a little extra to training and diet.
    And Ursobolic did work in that capacity.

    And yes these prodcts are marketed strongly but what is not.
    I mean that is like thinking that AXE is actually going to automatically cause one to be showered with a bevy of gorgeous women.

    And I have NEVER received any free supplements from anyone except samples that NP might send out with orders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    i have made a breakthrough in Ursolic acid formulation btw, but i am not giving any details at this time. you all will have to wait and see
    Patrick.
    Can you give a tentative release date for your new formulation?
    Ursolic acid is kind of a staple for me now so I will be looking forward to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GuyverX View Post
    Ursobolic worked well for keeping my fat off during the holiday season.
    It also seemed to improve my digestion a little bit as well.
    Stacked with Slin-Sane or C-20 it seems to work even better.

    I think a lot of people expect PH/AAS/ECA type gains off this stuff.
    And that is expecting too much.
    It is a supplement which means it is something to add a little extra to training and diet.
    And Ursobolic did work in that capacity.

    And yes these prodcts are marketed strongly but what is not.
    I mean that is like thinking that AXE is actually going to automatically cause one to be showered with a bevy of gorgeous women.

    And I have NEVER received any free supplements from anyone except samples that NP might send out with orders.
    I wish I could have afforded it over the holidays as I accumulated copious amounts of fat which through the aid of ursobolic I am losing just not as quickly as I'd hoped. I won't be without it again, I'll cut out my starbucks instead..... and are you saying that if use AXE women are not going to be clamoring for me????? Really?? in all seriousness AXE? Phew!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by GuyverX View Post
    Patrick.
    Can you give a tentative release date for your new formulation?
    Ursolic acid is kind of a staple for me now so I will be looking forward to it.
    Got my ultimate stay lean all year mix going on.

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    So I should be taking 3 six times a day instead of 6 three times a day?. I thought that since ursolic acid supposedly has a hard time surviving the digestive tract that it would make sense to take more at one time than a little each time. I came to this conclusion thinking that the more you take at once then more you would have left over after the digestive process destroys some of it. Does that make sense or am I all wrong?. If I'm wrong, Patrick could you please explain why taking less more frequently would be better?
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    So I should be taking 3 six times a day instead of 6 three times a day?. I thought that since ursolic acid supposedly has a hard time surviving the digestive tract that it would make sense to take more at one time than a little each time. I came to this conclusion thinking that the more you take at once then more you would have left over after the digestive process destroys some of it. Does that make sense or am I all wrong?. If I'm wrong, Patrick could you please explain why taking less more frequently would be better?
    the digestive system doesnt destroy it. the bioavailability problem is first and foremost limited absorption due to poor solubility. since only a limited amount is soluble enough to absorb at any one time it makes sense to take smaller doses more frequently

    this is a different case than with stuff like prohormones, which have decent solubility and absorb well but undergo extensive metabolic deactivation in the liver upon first pass
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    It is just my hypothesis that you would do better with smaller doses more frequently, there is no demonstrated proof of this
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    Quote Originally Posted by truthornothin View Post
    I wish I could have afforded it over the holidays as I accumulated copious amounts of fat which through the aid of ursobolic I am losing just not as quickly as I'd hoped. I won't be without it again, I'll cut out my starbucks instead..... and are you saying that if use AXE women are not going to be clamoring for me????? Really?? in all seriousness AXE? Phew!!
    That last couple of lines were priceless. Lolz....mileage may vary on that AXE.... and I did get attention from the Shrek looking women so i suppose that counts.

    I live like a freaking spartan. Grrrrrr.... Starbuck... lemur spit.....

    It is understandable that results will vary amongst people. Heck I get more of a response from herbals than I do pharmaceuticals..... but if something works for at least half the people, it is really a stretch to call it useless.

    I mean they can always try winny/clen or epi/dmz and get mad cuts with a needed pct if ursobolic isnt enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    the digestive system doesnt destroy it. the bioavailability problem is first and foremost limited absorption due to poor solubility. since only a limited amount is soluble enough to absorb at any one time it makes sense to take smaller doses more frequently

    this is a different case than with stuff like prohormones, which have decent solubility and absorb well but undergo extensive metabolic deactivation in the liver upon first pass

    I just saw this. Thanks for the explanation. Maybe I'll try taking 3 caps six times a day instead. It works great for me now but hey if it might work better it is worth the effort to try it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    we will see how many people come up to me at the arnold and ask me why ursobolic sucks so hard. like you say, it will likely be zero
    I never tried it, so I can't tell you that it sucks. jk. Well I didn't try it, but I wouldn't do something like that, persay.

    I can logically induce that many of the users gauged their expectations on your 'summer of success' with not working out diligently, drinking a lot of alcohol, etc. (like you said) and their results fell way short of their expectations. The picture that you painted for 'me' was one of a supplement that would reset the curve as far as dietary and exercise discipline is concerned. I waited and looked for reviews and logs and I saw the same thing as what some others are seeing on the surface, but seeing and perceiving are two different things. What I commonly noticed (wording very carefully) was that many of the negative reviews were written in an aggressive and angry manner that could clearly illustrate the disappointment due to either a lack of "gotta have it ALL right NOW" or they were possibly disgruntled because they spent money that they didn't really have to spend on a supplement, probably out of desperation to fill a void commonly left unoccupied by proper nutrition.

    That's my 2 cents after reading the first page or so... I do plan on using Ursobolic after placing my next order, as I tend to respond positively to most things that do work!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Force of Green View Post
    I never tried it, so I can't tell you that it sucks. jk. Well I didn't try it, but I wouldn't do something like that, persay.

    I can logically induce that many of the users gauged their expectations on your 'summer of success' with not working out diligently, drinking a lot of alcohol, etc. (like you said) and their results fell way short of their expectations.
    well then those people were just morons then. i tried to make it clear that my feedback was completely useless and i was half joking about all that anyway. this is why i prefer to keep my mouth shut
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    I review honestly. I got a very abrupt reply from the company owner last time I did it lol.
    I wonder what happened? I will post a review of a product if it is really worth the time. I will occasionally ask for a sample here and there, though the only company that has come through with direct sample requests is Millenium Sports Technologies and I'm hooked on them.

    Given the conflict in this thread, I find myself compelled even more to buy the product and also give it a very detailed review. Good, bad, nothing, whatever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    well then those people were just morons then. i tried to make it clear that my feedback was completely useless and i was half joking about all that anyway. this is why i prefer to keep my mouth shut
    LOL. I'd probably moronically have tried it as damage control if I were in the same situation. But yeah, sometimes when you are as prominent of a fitness/health figure as you are, anything you say is usually exploited and can be perceived as however someone wants. Unfortunately morons make a firm number of the population in the world today
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    Quote Originally Posted by Force of Green View Post
    I wonder what happened? I will post a review of a product if it is really worth the time. I will occasionally ask for a sample here and there, though the only company that has come through with direct sample requests is Millenium Sports Technologies and I'm hooked on them.

    Given the conflict in this thread, I find myself compelled even more to buy the product and also give it a very detailed review. Good, bad, nothing, whatever.
    I started an un sponsored log on Ursobolic at the outset. I bought my first two bottle at full retail, and started my log well before becoming a rep. It is detailed in regard to food intake and workout regimen. I also have photos of my progress and regress. You can see how I progressively got leaner while eating more. Then due to injury and financial concerns,i dropped it through December. As I said I bought my Ursoblolic out of pocket, I've received three bottles Gratis. Thats it. Anyway if you see the pics after the month off you'll see the value in it. I haven't posted there in a week but will be updating tonight and pics this weekend. I have given nothing but an honest evaluation. Truthornothin' is more than just my moniker its my philosophy on life. So take a look and see what you think. I will be using it as long as I can get it and am looking forward to the new formulation. See Here

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    Quote Originally Posted by truthornothin View Post
    I started an un sponsored log on Ursobolic at the outset. I bought my first two bottle at full retail, and started my log well before becoming a rep. It is detailed in regard to food intake and workout regimen. I also have photos of my progress and regress. You can see how I progressively got leaner while eating more. Then due to injury and financial concerns,i dropped it through December. As I said I bought my Ursoblolic out of pocket, I've received three bottles Gratis. Thats it. Anyway if you see the pics after the month off you'll see the value in it. I haven't posted there in a week but will be updating tonight and pics this weekend. I have given nothing but an honest evaluation. Truthornothin' is more than just my moniker its my philosophy on life. So take a look and see what you think. I will be using it as long as I can get it and am looking forward to the new formulation. See Here

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    I have started taking 2 caps at each meal instead of only 2 or 3 doses. This to me seems to be working better but it may be my imagination.

    I shall continue to take it though due to all the health benefits.

    Great, keep us posted bro, i will start too experimenting with this when i get back into my urso in a few weeks. Im cycling off for a month then im going back 12 wks again.
    I had great results with regular 9 urso a day 3 times 3. I also experimented with higher dosage up to 18 caps in 3 doses and didn't experience any significant effect versus 9 so i kept it at 9 a day.


    I'll be jumping on PA's new usro product as soon as it hits the shelves for sure, the stuff as it is has given me good results as is and at standard dose, can only imagine what the improved new product will do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shinivan View Post
    Great, keep us posted bro, i will start too experimenting with this when i get back into my urso in a few weeks. Im cycling off for a month then im going back 12 wks again.
    I had great results with regular 9 urso a day 3 times 3. I also experimented with higher dosage up to 18 caps in 3 doses and didn't experience any significant effect versus 9 so i kept it at 9 a day.


    I'll be jumping on PA's new usro product as soon as it hits the shelves for sure, the stuff as it is has given me good results as is and at standard dose, can only imagine what the improved new product will do.
    Yea i took upwords of 27 caps a day but in only three doses. Spacing it out with every meal seems to have produced the results im looking for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shinivan View Post
    Great, keep us posted bro, i will start too experimenting with this when i get back into my urso in a few weeks. Im cycling off for a month then im going back 12 wks again.
    I had great results with regular 9 urso a day 3 times 3. I also experimented with higher dosage up to 18 caps in 3 doses and didn't experience any significant effect versus 9 so i kept it at 9 a day.



    I'll be jumping on PA's new usro product as soon as it hits the shelves for sure, the stuff as it is has given me good results as is and at standard dose, can only imagine what the improved new product will do.



    I think maybe the reason you didn't experience anything more is because it was in three doses. I tried to do 6 doses yesterday but I had trouble timing things. I'm gonna try 5 doses today. It won't be an even number of caps but maybe I can do it this time. I don't know maybe I'll do 6 doses of 3 caps each. I'm just bad at managing my time is all.
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    From the research I've seen, it seemed to me that Ursolic Acid would really shine when people are in severe caloric deficit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Force of Green View Post
    LOL. I'd probably moronically have tried it as damage control if I were in the same situation. But yeah, sometimes when you are as prominent of a fitness/health figure as you are, anything you say is usually exploited and can be perceived as however someone wants. Unfortunately morons make a firm number of the population in the world today
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    don't want to be a jerk, but 2 bottles of ursobolic in approx a month did not much for me too.
    I wasn't expecting much tho, but buyed it because it wasn't expensive ($10/bottle)
    It is probably a good supp, but only at very high dose (20caps daily ?) and there is cost issue to that.
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    I like the product. Sometimes 2 much is expected I believe IMO. I'm already very lean but noticed nice full muscle bellies and good vascularity while using it.
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    I like the product. Sometimes 2 much is expected I believe IMO. I'm already very lean but noticed nice full muscle bellies and good vascularity while using it.
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    Lol Eizbear quit trying to dig for shirtless pics of me I keep telling you in pm that one is enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by truthornothin View Post
    I started an un sponsored log on Ursobolic at the outset. I bought my first two bottle at full retail, and started my log well before becoming a rep. It is detailed in regard to food intake and workout regimen. I also have photos of my progress and regress. You can see how I progressively got leaner while eating more. Then due to injury and financial concerns,i dropped it through December. As I said I bought my Ursoblolic out of pocket, I've received three bottles Gratis. Thats it. Anyway if you see the pics after the month off you'll see the value in it. I haven't posted there in a week but will be updating tonight and pics this weekend. I have given nothing but an honest evaluation. Truthornothin' is more than just my moniker its my philosophy on life. So take a look and see what you think. I will be using it as long as I can get it and am looking forward to the new formulation. See Here

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    Truth's log is what really made me want to try it.
    I took mine at 2 to 3 caps every 6 hours approximately and that was my sweet spot.
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    Hmmmm... look who's thread is the most replied/viewed thread in this sub-forum...







































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    I'm kinda disappointed that nothing got thrown at my head when I asked
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cool View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    I'm kinda disappointed that nothing got thrown at my head when I asked
    We thought about it but with the security and all...... lol It was good to meet you, hope you enjoyed the expo and thanks for stopping by the booth even if it was to taunt us lol
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    what about this ursolic acid supplement guys? http://www.essense-of-life.com/morei...Sublingual.htm the delivery system and the amount of ursolic acid used looks pretty good. whats everyones opinion?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jayice View Post
    what about this ursolic acid supplement guys? http://www.essense-of-life.com/morei...Sublingual.htm the delivery system and the amount of ursolic acid used looks pretty good. whats everyones opinion?

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