Augmatine

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by AutoKal47 View Post
    Originally Posted by MAxximal
    what did you think use Agmatine on low carb diet?


    What about dosing/timing when in low carb doc?
    I don't think it changes much from when not on a low carb diet and as suggested in discussions before this (probably single-best time to take it is first thing in AM and every 24 hours thereafter); you are talking about an acting insulinomimetic, however, so it may potentiate symptoms of hypoglycemia in that setting. This would be a challenge in the normal population at large given the auto-regulatory set-up that inherently drives blood sugars in a neat range of 70-100 (+/- 5) mg/dl.

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  2. I was given the Atenolol for my heart rate, sometimes in the past just rolling over in bed would cause my heart rate too increase alot for about a minute or so and then come back down. The BP med is doing a good job of keeping my BP at a normal level, I,m actually going to ask my Cardiologist if I can stop and see if I even need it, some days I forget to take it and have no issues with racing heat rate, when prescribed this med., I was under a great deal of stress in my personal life and I feel this had alot to do with the heart rate issue. I really appreciate you commenting on this, I will give this supplement a try soon and see how it goes.......





    [UOTE=dinoiii;3086962]Well, I am unaware of interactions with ARBs or Beta-Blockers, although I am not necessarily a fan of atenolol in the first place:
    When compared to placebo for the treatment of hypertension (4 trials with about 3,000 patients total), there was no benefit for atenolol in terms of mortality, cardiovascular mortality or MI. There was a benefit for stroke, but this was mainly from one trial in which atenolol was not used as monotherapy in most patients.

    In 3 trials with about 7,000 patients that compared atenolol to other anti-hypertensives, atenolol fared worse than the other medications for all parameters except for MI, where it was about the same.

    The authors speculate that the non-lipophilic nature of atenolol (unlike metoprolol and others) might play a role, as might a lesser or absent influence on LVH, compared with other medications. They note that there have been no good trials comparing different beta-blockers in hypertension, thus this need not apply to other beta-blockers. And, of course, beta-blockers have an important role to play in the setting of ischemic heart disease, CHF and arrhythmias.

    I’m not a big fan of meta-analyses, in general, but this one is intriguing, and does make atenolol seem much less attractive for hypertension (and perhaps for other indications as well).

    Alas, discussion of your anti-hypertensives was not necessarily the question; BUT I still cringe at the use of this particular agent.


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  3. I've purchased bulk agmatine from Nutra. I'm going to take 750 mg/day for several months and see what transpires. Having said that, I'm really not sure what to expect. Some say better pumps, others recomp and still others better overall health. This I can say, the stuff is bitter as sin.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by dinoiii View Post
    I don't think it changes much from when not on a low carb diet and as suggested in discussions before this (probably single-best time to take it is first thing in AM and every 24 hours thereafter); you are talking about an acting insulinomimetic, however, so it may potentiate symptoms of hypoglycemia in that setting. This would be a challenge in the normal population at large given the auto-regulatory set-up that inherently drives blood sugars in a neat range of 70-100 (+/- 5) mg/dl.

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    Thanks doc I got no problem with hypo, lol I go hypo 5 times a week usually
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by BBB View Post
    I've purchased bulk agmatine from Nutra. I'm going to take 750 mg/day for several months and see what transpires. Having said that, I'm really not sure what to expect. Some say better pumps, others recomp and still others better overall health. This I can say, the stuff is bitter as sin.
    Bites nails in anticipation. I hope your experiment goes well. I have dosed it up as high as 4-5 grams for 3 months at a time without a lot of "consequence" so another thing I could likely say is toxicity is probably exceedingly low; so why not.


    Quote Originally Posted by AutoKal47 View Post
    Thanks doc I got no problem with hypo, lol I go hypo 5 times a week usually
    Concurrent insulin use?


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  6. Quote Originally Posted by dinoiii View Post
    I don't think it changes much from when not on a low carb diet and as suggested in discussions before this (probably single-best time to take it is first thing in AM and every 24 hours thereafter); you are talking about an acting insulinomimetic, however, so it may potentiate symptoms of hypoglycemia in that setting. This would be a challenge in the normal population at large given the auto-regulatory set-up that inherently drives blood sugars in a neat range of 70-100 (+/- 5) mg/dl.

    D_

    so if i consume 1g on AM this will NOT kick me out of Ketosis?

  7. Quote Originally Posted by dinoiii View Post
    Concurrent insulin use?

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    Oh not at all, I'm 100% natural (altho' I don't know if insulin use would be
    considered not natty..), from starvation I guess
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by dinoiii View Post
    Bites nails in anticipation. I hope your experiment goes well. I have dosed it up as high as 4-5 grams for 3 months at a time without a lot of "consequence" so another thing I could likely say is toxicity is probably exceedingly low; so why not.






    Concurrent insulin use?


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    Is there really any additional benefit by going over 1 gram per day?. At 1 gram per day the price is reasonable, but definitely not at 4-5.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by BBB View Post
    I've purchased bulk agmatine from Nutra. I'm going to take 750 mg/day for several months and see what transpires. Having said that, I'm really not sure what to expect. Some say better pumps, others recomp and still others better overall health. This I can say, the stuff is bitter as sin.
    interested in your results... Ive heard nothing but good things about the production versions out but have hardly heard anything about the bulks and I usually try to get my supps in bulk that I know are going to be legit as I can get anyhow...
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by Sourdough View Post
    interested in your results... Ive heard nothing but good things about the production versions out but have hardly heard anything about the bulks and I usually try to get my supps in bulk that I know are going to be legit as I can get anyhow...
    I got bulk too, I should get it in a coupla days
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by AutoKal47 View Post
    Oh not at all, I'm 100% natural (altho' I don't know if insulin use would be
    considered not natty..), from starvation I guess
    Might not be considered natural but there is no way someone could test for it from my understanding

  12. Quote Originally Posted by AutoKal47 View Post
    I got bulk too, I should get it in a coupla days
    nice man id be interested in following along your results.. if your not going to be running any kinda log then at least hit me up after your a lil way into it to lmk if your seeing the desired and mentioned effects
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by Sourdough View Post
    nice man id be interested in following along your results.. if your not going to be running any kinda log then at least hit me up after your a lil way into it to lmk if your seeing the desired and mentioned effects
    I just started the Swole Stack log, and I have another sponsored log to fill after that one ugh..

    But I will definitely try Agmatine while on the Swole and add in there or just make a review of it in here.
    Worse case scenario count on it, I'll hit you up and let you know, I'm also very interested in how it'll work,
    got a hefty 50gr tub too, so it'll last enough for a long-ish term use report
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  14. niiiiiiice.
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  15. i used with food but this time i thinking taking without.

  16. Got it today and dosed 500mg prewo.. godawful feeling
    It feels like my body is fighting against it, i don't know if it's normal
    the first time but jeez... The nootropic effect is heavy and not in a good way
    for me, trynna workout and find myself staring at dust flakes for I don't know how long
    and i feel lethargic.. Pumps are the same, in my case would be great since i'm on Pump-Bol
    right now as prewo, but agmatine didn't enhance that or anything else.. bah
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by AutoKal47 View Post
    Got it today and dosed 500mg prewo.. godawful feeling
    It feels like my body is fighting against it, i don't know if it's normal
    the first time but jeez... The nootropic effect is heavy and not in a good way
    for me, trynna workout and find myself staring at dust flakes for I don't know how long
    and i feel lethargic.. Pumps are the same, in my case would be great since i'm on Pump-Bol
    right now as prewo, but agmatine didn't enhance that or anything else.. bah
    What brand???


  18. Quote Originally Posted by AutoKal47 View Post
    Got it today and dosed 500mg prewo.. godawful feeling
    It feels like my body is fighting against it, i don't know if it's normal
    the first time but jeez... The nootropic effect is heavy and not in a good way
    for me, trynna workout and find myself staring at dust flakes for I don't know how long
    and i feel lethargic.. Pumps are the same, in my case would be great since i'm on Pump-Bol
    right now as prewo, but agmatine didn't enhance that or anything else.. bah
    That's crazy, maybe it lowered your blood sugar too low?

  19. Quote Originally Posted by StakedCop View Post
    What brand???
    Bulk from Bulkpowders, anything I got from them so far
    was very good quality and grade

    Quote Originally Posted by Ev52 View Post
    That's crazy, maybe it lowered your blood sugar too low?
    I don't know man, I know that 3 hours passed since I finished my wo and
    I'm lethargic as sh#t, I parked the car at home and *passed out* in it for like 15 minutes..

    WO was fine, but instead of helping me like I said, it felt like my body was fighting against it
    at which point if I don't feel ok I get pissed and go on out of rage
    I was able to carry on a good one anyway but the feeling was really ugly
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  20. What was your pre workout carb intake?


  21. Quote Originally Posted by StakedCop View Post
    What was your pre workout carb intake?
    Carb? lol.. My DAILY carb intake is 30gr on wo days, split in three meals
    traces on day off.
    I do warrior diet/IF, wo fasted in the morning, only BCAA pre/intra/post,
    multi, vit D, prewo product of the month (Pumpbol+Ultima right now)
    ATM I'm also completely off stims

    The best way to describe the effect is that it seemed like agmatine
    took out my aggression in the gym.. man you take that out from me
    is a problem..
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by AutoKal47 View Post
    Got it today and dosed 500mg prewo.. godawful feeling
    It feels like my body is fighting against it, i don't know if it's normal
    the first time but jeez... The nootropic effect is heavy and not in a good way
    for me, trynna workout and find myself staring at dust flakes for I don't know how long
    and i feel lethargic.. Pumps are the same, in my case would be great since i'm on Pump-Bol
    right now as prewo, but agmatine didn't enhance that or anything else.. bah
    That is honestly an extremely odd reaction, especially at 500mg. Lethargy is strange as well. Give it another shot when you get the chance. This time, take 500mg with a high carb meal to see how you react.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    That is honestly an extremely odd reaction, especially at 500mg. Lethargy is strange as well. Give it another shot when you get the chance. This time, take 500mg with a high carb meal to see how you react.
    30gr of carbs is my daily carb intake (on wo days), split in 3 meals
    if carbs are required for it to work is not the right sups for me.
    I took another 500mg last night with my last meal anyway,
    noticed nothing, then I went to bed not long after that so i wouldn't know..

    I'll try it again on my day off (sat) and see
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  24. Hmm that's really odd. If you're always pretty carb depleted and the issues persist this might not be your "go to" supp. I've taken 1g Agmatine pre workout with no carbs and felt fine though.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Rhadam View Post
    Hmm that's really odd. If you're always pretty carb depleted and the issues persist this might not be your "go to" supp. I've taken 1g Agmatine pre workout with no carbs and felt fine though.
    Indeed.. I'll see if I can figure it out
    I know that today I didn't take it prewo and had a
    badass day in the gym. My aggression was back and
    had a great wo.
    I'll dose it tonight with my 2nd meal and see if
    sides are back, if not another dose prebed, but
    if there are no noticeable benefit I won't keep using it
    even because I - very quickly and superficially - read
    some possible problem with protein breakdown with this

    Only thing is wth ima gonna do with 50gr of it if i don't
    use it lol
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