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    Got it today and dosed 500mg prewo.. godawful feeling
    It feels like my body is fighting against it, i don't know if it's normal
    the first time but jeez... The nootropic effect is heavy and not in a good way
    for me, trynna workout and find myself staring at dust flakes for I don't know how long
    and i feel lethargic.. Pumps are the same, in my case would be great since i'm on Pump-Bol
    right now as prewo, but agmatine didn't enhance that or anything else.. bah
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    Quote Originally Posted by AutoKal47 View Post
    Got it today and dosed 500mg prewo.. godawful feeling
    It feels like my body is fighting against it, i don't know if it's normal
    the first time but jeez... The nootropic effect is heavy and not in a good way
    for me, trynna workout and find myself staring at dust flakes for I don't know how long
    and i feel lethargic.. Pumps are the same, in my case would be great since i'm on Pump-Bol
    right now as prewo, but agmatine didn't enhance that or anything else.. bah
    What brand???

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    Quote Originally Posted by AutoKal47 View Post
    Got it today and dosed 500mg prewo.. godawful feeling
    It feels like my body is fighting against it, i don't know if it's normal
    the first time but jeez... The nootropic effect is heavy and not in a good way
    for me, trynna workout and find myself staring at dust flakes for I don't know how long
    and i feel lethargic.. Pumps are the same, in my case would be great since i'm on Pump-Bol
    right now as prewo, but agmatine didn't enhance that or anything else.. bah
    That's crazy, maybe it lowered your blood sugar too low?
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    Quote Originally Posted by StakedCop View Post
    What brand???
    Bulk from Bulkpowders, anything I got from them so far
    was very good quality and grade

    Quote Originally Posted by Ev52 View Post
    That's crazy, maybe it lowered your blood sugar too low?
    I don't know man, I know that 3 hours passed since I finished my wo and
    I'm lethargic as sh#t, I parked the car at home and *passed out* in it for like 15 minutes..

    WO was fine, but instead of helping me like I said, it felt like my body was fighting against it
    at which point if I don't feel ok I get pissed and go on out of rage
    I was able to carry on a good one anyway but the feeling was really ugly
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    What was your pre workout carb intake?

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    Quote Originally Posted by StakedCop View Post
    What was your pre workout carb intake?
    Carb? lol.. My DAILY carb intake is 30gr on wo days, split in three meals
    traces on day off.
    I do warrior diet/IF, wo fasted in the morning, only BCAA pre/intra/post,
    multi, vit D, prewo product of the month (Pumpbol+Ultima right now)
    ATM I'm also completely off stims

    The best way to describe the effect is that it seemed like agmatine
    took out my aggression in the gym.. man you take that out from me
    is a problem..
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    Quote Originally Posted by AutoKal47 View Post
    Got it today and dosed 500mg prewo.. godawful feeling
    It feels like my body is fighting against it, i don't know if it's normal
    the first time but jeez... The nootropic effect is heavy and not in a good way
    for me, trynna workout and find myself staring at dust flakes for I don't know how long
    and i feel lethargic.. Pumps are the same, in my case would be great since i'm on Pump-Bol
    right now as prewo, but agmatine didn't enhance that or anything else.. bah
    That is honestly an extremely odd reaction, especially at 500mg. Lethargy is strange as well. Give it another shot when you get the chance. This time, take 500mg with a high carb meal to see how you react.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    That is honestly an extremely odd reaction, especially at 500mg. Lethargy is strange as well. Give it another shot when you get the chance. This time, take 500mg with a high carb meal to see how you react.
    30gr of carbs is my daily carb intake (on wo days), split in 3 meals
    if carbs are required for it to work is not the right sups for me.
    I took another 500mg last night with my last meal anyway,
    noticed nothing, then I went to bed not long after that so i wouldn't know..

    I'll try it again on my day off (sat) and see
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    Hmm that's really odd. If you're always pretty carb depleted and the issues persist this might not be your "go to" supp. I've taken 1g Agmatine pre workout with no carbs and felt fine though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhadam View Post
    Hmm that's really odd. If you're always pretty carb depleted and the issues persist this might not be your "go to" supp. I've taken 1g Agmatine pre workout with no carbs and felt fine though.
    Indeed.. I'll see if I can figure it out
    I know that today I didn't take it prewo and had a
    badass day in the gym. My aggression was back and
    had a great wo.
    I'll dose it tonight with my 2nd meal and see if
    sides are back, if not another dose prebed, but
    if there are no noticeable benefit I won't keep using it
    even because I - very quickly and superficially - read
    some possible problem with protein breakdown with this

    Only thing is wth ima gonna do with 50gr of it if i don't
    use it lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by AutoKal47 View Post
    30gr of carbs is my daily carb intake (on wo days), split in 3 meals
    if carbs are required for it to work is not the right sups for me.
    I took another 500mg last night with my last meal anyway,
    noticed nothing, then I went to bed not long after that so i wouldn't know..

    I'll try it again on my day off (sat) and see

    Take a peak back at the slide show and the insulinomimetic action of the agent. You DO NOT need to take it with carbs, HOWEVER, you should add in a meal after taking it - probably about 45 min to an hour (not necessarily carb-laden...all macros will induce a spike in blood sugar and subsequent influx of insulin - contrary to what I think people are believing "ketosis" entails).

    It's not the kind of supplement you will "notice" something for (in other words, it's not a stimulant) outside of prolonged pump (but it looks as though you are pretty lean to start, so I would think you are pretty vascular baseline)...

    It is possibly something that can induce a GH response, BUT the food would blunt it - so even if before bed...you tried to promote GH with the supplement, but killed it with the food...as the normal GH-response on INDUCTION of sleep is rather large; probably your best in a 24-hour period.


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    Quote Originally Posted by AutoKal47 View Post
    Indeed.. I'll see if I can figure it out
    I know that today I didn't take it prewo and had a
    badass day in the gym. My aggression was back and
    had a great wo.
    I'll dose it tonight with my 2nd meal and see if
    sides are back, if not another dose prebed, but
    if there are no noticeable benefit I won't keep using it
    even because I - very quickly and superficially - read
    some possible problem with protein breakdown with this

    Only thing is wth ima gonna do with 50gr of it if i don't
    use it lol
    Unsure what you read about protein breakdown, but biogenic amines – like Agmatine – are formed by the breakdown of proteins in foods (not in the reverse order). Foods like beef, fish, bananas, avocados, mushrooms, chocolate, sauerkraut, and soy sauce are just some that contain Agmatine to varying degrees, though these levels can vary precipitously and drastically alter the amount you are ingesting. The problem is that as we age, it appears that our levels of amines decline and it becomes more pertinent and possibly more noticeable to the aged population that what you might expect to see (judging by your photo).


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    Thanks a lot Doc as usual

    Ok then so is the fasting + agmatine that probably
    did the trick on me..

    So I will try to dose it close to meals/pre meals,
    just not prewo for me since I wo fasted and my first meal
    is hours after my wo

    About the protein breakdown thing, it was a long a## thread on
    another board and you're in it, I was about to read the whole thing
    at some point

    Is agmatine effects gonna improve/increase with use?
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    Dosed 1gr with my last meal last night, results is it knocked me out
    within 20 minutes or so, i feel asleep like a baby which I'm not complaining too much
    about since it was late night.
    But today? oh boy... it's 2.25PM and I cannot for the life of me connect my mind with my body,
    I just do NOT give a damn about anything in the world.. No aggression again in the gym
    (i'm just glad today was "whatever i feel like training day")..

    There is some very wrong nootropic effect going on with this and my head.

    Doc since you were involved in the formulation of it, could agmatine interact in some
    bad way with Ultima(last version)?
    Mine is a totally wild guess, but for example, I can't take a full scoop of Ultima
    or I have this @_@ feeling, i focus yes, but I focus on EVERYTHING, it's too much for me
    so usually i take half or a lil more. I'm saying this because the feeling it similar
    to when I tried one full scoop of Ultima, just twice as much (I'm talking about the nootropic effect)
    and much $hittier..

    I'm hating the stuff
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    Quote Originally Posted by AutoKal47 View Post
    Thanks a lot Doc as usual

    Ok then so is the fasting + agmatine that probably
    did the trick on me..

    So I will try to dose it close to meals/pre meals,
    just not prewo for me since I wo fasted and my first meal
    is hours after my wo

    About the protein breakdown thing, it was a long a## thread on
    another board and you're in it, I was about to read the whole thing
    at some point

    Is agmatine effects gonna improve/increase with use?
    You should see a potentiated effect with multiple dosings.


    Quote Originally Posted by AutoKal47 View Post
    Dosed 1gr with my last meal last night, results is it knocked me out
    within 20 minutes or so, i feel asleep like a baby which I'm not complaining too much
    about since it was late night.
    But today? oh boy... it's 2.25PM and I cannot for the life of me connect my mind with my body,
    I just do NOT give a damn about anything in the world.. No aggression again in the gym
    (i'm just glad today was "whatever i feel like training day")..

    There is some very wrong nootropic effect going on with this and my head.

    Doc since you were involved in the formulation of it, could agmatine interact in some
    bad way with Ultima(last version)?
    Mine is a totally wild guess, but for example, I can't take a full scoop of Ultima
    or I have this @_@ feeling, i focus yes, but I focus on EVERYTHING, it's too much for me
    so usually i take half or a lil more. I'm saying this because the feeling it similar
    to when I tried one full scoop of Ultima, just twice as much (I'm talking about the nootropic effect)
    and much $hittier..

    I'm hating the stuff
    HA! Well, I was involved in the introduction of agmatine to the market as well as the ORIGINAL Ultima and V2; however, I had NO PART in V3. That said...I can discuss some issue I had with Ultima from the beginning...choline was originally dosed too high and it would induce a "sleepy" effect (we remedied that come V2); the TYROSINES are actually GABA-ergic and the acetylated version is very susceptible to crossing the BBB, for which 750mg might as well be 10 grams. Couple this with agmatine's role on the alpha 2 receptor (pre-synaptic) in the CNS and you are in for a very lethargic feeling. It would be very hard for me to do justice in a short piece like this on the imidazoline receptor - but this too is impacted with alpha 2 agonist to create a very "slowed-down" effect. That's why it's wonderful with chronic opioid users.

    You could also be seeing effects from the insulinomimetic action as well as the serotonin effect (albeit a lot less) just due to how low you're keeping your carbs. I mean, what you are describing is VERY atypical from agmatine users BUT may make a lot of sense in someone like you and the little I have learned through this thread.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dinoiii View Post
    You should see a potentiated effect with multiple dosings.




    HA! Well, I was involved in the introduction of agmatine to the market as well as the ORIGINAL Ultima and V2; however, I had NO PART in V3. That said...I can discuss some issue I had with Ultima from the beginning...choline was originally dosed too high and it would induce a "sleepy" effect (we remedied that come V2); the TYROSINES are actually GABA-ergic and the acetylated version is very susceptible to crossing the BBB, for which 750mg might as well be 10 grams. Couple this with agmatine's role on the alpha 2 receptor (pre-synaptic) in the CNS and you are in for a very lethargic feeling. It would be very hard for me to do justice in a short piece like this on the imidazoline receptor - but this too is impacted with alpha 2 agonist to create a very "slowed-down" effect. That's why it's wonderful with chronic opioid users.

    You could also be seeing effects from the insulinomimetic action as well as the serotonin effect (albeit a lot less) just due to how low you're keeping your carbs. I mean, what you are describing is VERY atypical from agmatine users BUT may make a lot of sense in someone like you and the little I have learned through this thread.


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    Soooo, what you describe is EXACTLY the kinda feeling, that slowed-down, sleepy effect, goddamn it was horrible (I mean, maybe if you wanna relax is ok, but PRE/DURINGWO? no thanks lol)

    Man, now a LOT of things make sense to me... Quick resume: I use Lit-Up as my main prewo, i cycle it off every two tubs
    usually ('cause the DAA and to keep my body to get used to it) I had two unopened tubs of Ultima which I was going to open after the above stack, to get off stims, and so I did.

    Knowing that I couldn't take a full scoop of Ultima I added Pumpbol (beta ala nitrates, just saying in case some other interaction is going on here...) as main prewo and just took half (often less) scoop of Ultima 15 minutes later.

    Since I added Ultima in the mix I started to have hard time starting the wo and while strength was there, my mind not so much,
    I mean usually I'm a machine, mind-muscle connection and concentration are always there without me having to do nothing really.
    Since Ultima I really had to force myself to stay alert and concentrated, I assumed it was because I was missing Lit-Up (even tho' never happened before..) but now that you tell me this: goddamn is Ultima causing this!!
    My wild guess was somewhat right.. see? Instinct (because being ignorant is all i got lol)

    I'm so very sensitive to nootropics, some work on me some other just f@ck with my mind a lot. Lit-Up has a lil bit of DMAE which
    gives me the perfect concentration, just enough, and aggression is still there 100%.

    So it's settled: skipping the damn Ultima tomorrow (Legs day yay!)
    dosing Agamatine tonight with my 2nd meal and tomorrow morning prewo and see how it goes.


    As for carbs, my daily intake is MAX 30gr a day on workout days, traces-to-none the day before refeed (which is day off),
    but I've been doing this for years and never got any problems with any sups because of it, not GDAs not anything..
    Is totally Ultima, I could feel it in my guts..

    BTW, I started to do the refeed as you suggested and it worked great, I still can't eat complex carbs but cereals worked
    very well, while not the best choice is my only choice atm. Got both some sugary ones and rice krispies (6gr of sugar for 100gr of carbs) did a refeed (not big, i'm taking baby steps) and everything went good,
    not bloating, no water retention the next day and actually looking better

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    Report on today's wo WITHOUT Ultima, agmatine dosed last night with my last meal (1gr):

    ..motherf#$(r!!.. I had a terrific workout! Legs day, took almost 30 minute LESS to finish my routine,
    energy was up to the roof, concentration and aggression 100%, added sets and reps and broke PR on hack squat!

    I'd say enough said.. but no, separation on quads today was insane, I could see striations everywhere on 'em, and on the sides
    of my legs, I always have veins - which were bigger and more and nicer somehow - (due to great workout I don't imagine last night agmatine did that but who knows), but this was different it was that grainy look.. Just awesome.

    F@ck Ultima seriously! wth?
    I didn't dose Agmatine prewo today because I wanted to monitor one thing at the time,
    now I can 100% say that agmatine wasn't the problem and I'm looking forward to use it and
    see what brings to the table.

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    Gotta love candid non-pimping feedback!

    You're an extreme low carb guy. You think this might be relative? Just a guess as Ive seen some discussion of this stuff having blood sugar related attributes.

    EDIT-Im failed to read follow up posts. IGNORE please - thx

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    I don't know man, I know that 3 hours passed since I finished my wo and
    I'm lethargic as sh#t, I parked the car at home and *passed out* in it for like 15 minutes..

    WO was fine, but instead of helping me like I said, it felt like my body was fighting against it
    at which point if I don't feel ok I get pissed and go on out of rage
    I was able to carry on a good one anyway but the feeling was really ugly
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    Gotta love candid non-pimping feedback!

    You're an extreme low carb guy. You think this might be relative? Just a guess as Ive seen some discussion of this stuff having blood sugar related attributes.

    EDIT-Im failed to read follow up posts. IGNORE please - thx



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    Hype-slayer manifesto ahah but Agmatine wasn't the cause indeed,
    I am 101% certain that it was Ultima, today I had proof of it.
    I'll dose agma tomorrow prewo too and see what happens
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    I'm interested in seeing if the pronounced pump effect is still present without a surplus of carbs in a diet like yours...

    Does anything give you a decent pump?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sourdough View Post
    I'm interested in seeing if the pronounced pump effect is still present without a surplus of carbs in a diet like yours...

    Does anything give you a decent pump?
    Oh yes indeed, aside from a great workout - which still give me the best pumps of course -
    PumpBol gives me *crazy* pump, like skin tearing for real (fasted)
    Glycobol does, in a different way, is more a fullness/blood flow but still can be called pump (after meal)
    Pumps are immediately noticeable on me, veins start to move and have a life on their own lol
    and I do "puff up" no problem
    I'm sure i'm forgetting some other product tho'

    I have a bottle of Slin Sane that I'm gonna pop open at some point soon
    (probably after the Swole log), Agmatine tomorrow I'll dose it prewo, we'll see that..
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    Quote Originally Posted by AutoKal47 View Post
    Oh yes indeed, aside from a great workout - which still give me the best pumps of course -
    PumpBol gives me *crazy* pump, like skin tearing for real (fasted)
    Glycobol does, in a different way, is more a fullness/blood flow but still can be called pump (after meal)
    Pumps are immediately noticeable on me, veins start to move and have a life on their own lol
    and I do "puff up" no problem
    I'm sure i'm forgetting some other product tho'

    I have a bottle of Slin Sane that I'm gonna pop open at some point soon
    (probably after the Swole log), Agmatine tomorrow I'll dose it prewo, we'll see that..
    Pumpbol is basically a lot of creatine types, BA, and some Glyerol right? Has anything else given you comparable pumps?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattrag View Post
    Pumpbol is basically a lot of creatine types, BA, and some Glyerol right? Has anything else given you comparable pumps?
    Pumpbol's got nitrates, Beta Ala nitrates for sure and I think arginine nitrates as well.
    Now I don't care that much about pump products so i've never hunted them nor tried lot of
    pump oriented products, like I said i get pumps with my workouts, painful pumps so..
    for example I've never tried creatine nitrates either

    With that said, to answer the question: no never tried anything like it, not even close
    Pump on P-Bol are no joke, and they DO last the whole damn day, legs days would be almost
    funny, I move around really like my legs are twice the size I look at corners not to smack into them.
    And again you just walk up the stairs after 6 hours from your work out and BAM you're all puffed again lol
    I love it.. It's my go-to stim free pre-wo, and I dose it at only 1 scoop and it last forever
    I didn't take it at first because of the pump, like i said i never cared that much, I wanted to try beta ala nitrates
    since beta ala works so well on me, and i trusted TL since I like E-bol quite a lot as you know,
    but since my first run of it I gotta say it, I do enjoy the pumps it gives me quite a lot.
    It lacks on some energy compared to stimmed prewo but for me is first a nice change, second
    it totally makes up for the "rush" feeling with the fact that you go for the FIRST warmup set
    and your muscles are full of blood right away, mentally it's a big push.
    It says you need to be careful with nitrates and take time off otherwise i'd add half scoop of it
    to EVERY other prewo.

    It's a very cost effective, solid, good product in my book.

    If you try it, keep in mind two things: first dose it at least 45 minutes before wo (nitrates need to be
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    Quote Originally Posted by AutoKal47 View Post
    Pumpbol's got nitrates, Beta Ala nitrates for sure and I think arginine nitrates as well.
    Now I don't care that much about pump products so i've never hunted them nor tried lot of
    pump oriented products, like I said i get pumps with my workouts, painful pumps so..
    for example I've never tried creatine nitrates either

    With that said, to answer the question: no never tried anything like it, not even close
    Pump on P-Bol are no joke, and they DO last the whole damn day, legs days would be almost
    funny, I move around really like my legs are twice the size I look at corners not to smack into them.
    And again you just walk up the stairs after 6 hours from your work out and BAM you're all puffed again lol
    I love it.. It's my go-to stim free pre-wo, and I dose it at only 1 scoop and it last forever
    I didn't take it at first because of the pump, like i said i never cared that much, I wanted to try beta ala nitrates
    since beta ala works so well on me, and i trusted TL since I like E-bol quite a lot as you know,
    but since my first run of it I gotta say it, I do enjoy the pumps it gives me quite a lot.
    It lacks on some energy compared to stimmed prewo but for me is first a nice change, second
    it totally makes up for the "rush" feeling with the fact that you go for the FIRST warmup set
    and your muscles are full of blood right away, mentally it's a big push.
    It says you need to be careful with nitrates and take time off otherwise i'd add half scoop of it
    to EVERY other prewo.
    Wow that sounds amazing! I wish nutra had it in stock so I could try.....

    With that said back to Agmatine, what are your thoughts? Worth the money? Notice any extra GDA properties?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattrag View Post
    Wow that sounds amazing! I wish nutra had it in stock so I could try.....

    With that said back to Agmatine, what are your thoughts? Worth the money? Notice any extra GDA properties?
    Yeah give it a shot when you have the chance.

    As for Agmatine, still too early to say
    I took only 3gr overall so far and the first two with Ultima in the way
    I couldn't really tell

    Tomorrow is gonna be the first day I will dose it prewo, but really
    I'm expecting to notice something in the next days or even weeks (i have 50gr so, I'll be running it
    for a while) even according to Dr Houser the effects will build up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AutoKal47 View Post
    Yeah give it a shot when you have the chance.

    As for Agmatine, still too early to say
    I took only 3gr overall so far and the first two with Ultima in the way
    I couldn't really tell

    Tomorrow is gonna be the first day I will dose it prewo, but really
    I'm expecting to notice something in the next days or even weeks (i have 50gr so, I'll be running it
    for a while) even according to Dr Houser the effects will build up.
    Is not really something you feel like a stim, but I'll keep you updated
    Sounds good. You know I'll be following along

    Agmatine seems to be all the talk now with PrimaForce having a bulk product, and now iForce has it in two of their products. People are saying it's good stuff. Gotta look beyond the hype though. Although.... I'm usually one to buy it and test the hype out...
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    It looks like Agmatine has been stocked just in time for our BlackFriday sale:

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    Quote Originally Posted by stxnas View Post
    It looks like Agmatine has been stocked just in time for our BlackFriday sale:

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    Quote Originally Posted by stxnas View Post
    It looks like Agmatine has been stocked just in time for our BlackFriday sale:

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    Just what I needed! Thank you!!!

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    Update on Agmatine (lol can someone fix the title of this 3d? )

    Dosed 750mg ca last night with my last snack before bed (I forgot to take it with the last meal)
    and another dose this morning 30 minutes prior my wo.

    First I wanna mention this: i still had *massive* pump and pain to my legs from yesterday,
    now pain is normal, yesterday's session was badass, but pump? 10 hours far from my last meal?
    That doesn't happen. Lean in the morning ok, but no pump..
    Second thing: veins are always all over the place on me and that's ok, but this morning
    that grainy look that I noticed yesterday on my legs was, well.. everywhere.
    Especially on my chest and abs and legs still, it was very cool it made me smile goddammit

    All happy i took the prewo dose and started back day, fantastic wo, 3h 27min and I stopped
    myself! Noticed MUCH better recovery, the session turned out this long because I was tossin' in
    new exercises, and what i liked the most is I was feeling a great deal of stimulation on muscles
    even with the lighter sets and endurance - obviously - was improved too.

    Don't know how much Agmatine is responsible for this but, since I took Ultima out of the picture
    i'd dare to say Agmatine seems to work really well.

    Now today's pump: I don't even know where to start without sounding like I'm pimpin' but
    PumpBol + Agmatine = you gotta be kiddin' me

    My back *looks* wider, no joke, it feels full and my skin it tight, I'm really really enjoying this combo
    as prewo (altho' I cheated today, I didn't get much of a sleep last night and took 200mg of caffeine
    this morning).

    No problem dosing Agmatine on empty, nor not eating after it so far, i'll update later on
    we'll see how the day is gonna be, I still have 4/6 hours to go before my first meal.

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    Something to say about Agmatine: this stuff is bitter as s#it!
    I have powder and no matter what trick i try it makes my tongue
    numb for 30 minutes when I take it, I usually wouldn't mind this
    but I can't *taste* anything after it which is kinda of annoying..
    I have some empty caps in here Ima cap the stuff myself 'cause lol is bad.

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    Due to your reaction AutoKal...I will be ordering this tonight! I am thinking that I will stack it with DAA. Dosing them both at the same time..early morning and late night. Both with meals. If I dont feel anything i'll try it pre wo with N.O and see how that goes. CANT WAIT!
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    It is bitter. I put mine in my protein shake and it masks the taste.
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    ultimate bulk powder bitter blocker..... GFJ
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    Quote Originally Posted by BBB View Post
    It is bitter. I put mine in my protein shake and it masks the taste.
    it doesnt sour your shake at all???
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    After a coupla days I can say I'm quite happy with it,
    as dinoii said is not something you really feel when you take it
    I mean no rush or tingling or anything like that
    but I've never had pumps this crazy before, coupled with Pumpbol
    prewo is mindblowing really.. Pumps on Pbol already last for hours,
    with agmatine they last for *days*, and I'm not even kiddin..

    Really good stuff, and very versatile.
    I'm taking 750mg two times a day, first prewo (morning) second around 10pm
    20/25 min before my second meal.

    I wouldn't mix this with *anything* to be honest, it's so sour and bitter that
    it would ruin everything you put it into.. I just gulp it with water and be done with it.
    But I'm weird, I gulp 10/15gr of unflavored BCAA powder with creapure and beta ala
    in one scoop, powder in my mouth and just a sip of water lol hc

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    No. At 750 mg I can't even taste it. I use Myofusion for my primary protein. I like the taste. I also add an egg and a banana.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BBB View Post
    No. At 750 mg I can't even taste it. I use Myofusion for my primary protein. I like the taste. I also add an egg and a banana.
    lol oic

    I never think about the fact that some of you actually *eat*
    I eat two things and they taste like nothing so any lil change for me is huge,
    an egg and a banana with my protein would cover half of my whole daily cal intake ahah
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    Quote Originally Posted by AutoKal47 View Post
    lol oic

    I never think about the fact that some of you actually *eat*
    I eat two things and they taste like nothing so any lil change for me is huge,
    an egg and a banana with my protein would cover half of my whole daily cal intake ahah
    and carbs for three days
    Jesus, how do you even maintain muscle with that amount of food? and what do you weigh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jahcuree View Post
    Jesus, how do you even maintain muscle with that amount of food? and what do you weigh?
    Long story, let's just say my body got used to calorie restriction+hardcore training,
    I also follow warrior diet/IF..
    Altho' I my previous sentence is not to be taken literally (aside from the carbs, 30gr a day
    on days on, traces in my day off before the refeed), you'd be surprised that I actually
    make gains. 167lbs last time on the scale
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