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    Kisaj,
    thank you for the detailed post. Very informative and inspiring, also answered many questions!
    Looking forward to working with some noots in the near future.
    I tried Ani and also Noopept but I think that I need to get my test straightened out to fully appreciate the effects.
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    Anyone taking any Huperzine-a and/or vinpocetine? Curious what others thing, and dosing. I do 100 mcg of Hup-a and it seems to be one of those things that gives me focus for about 2-3 hours. prob good to take before times extra focus is needed. The Vinp I dont know if I am getting anything. Maybe this one sort of builds up over time.
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    A term called "dispositions" when used with learning is something like one's attitude toward learning, but much broader in scope. Our disposition toward different learning areas (and it can vary with areas of learning) can make a huge difference in how well knowledge sticks, how practical the knowledge is, and whether or not the knowledge transfers to other areas and adds insight to other knowledge.

    There are rote learners and smart learners, and the smart learners have better dispositions toward learning. More later.
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    There are a multitude of dispositions toward learning. One important one is the ability to stick to something when frustrated. Cognitive scientists have found that several ways of looking at things get in the way of sticking to something until you solve it. Expectations get in the way, as some people think you "either get it or you don't get it." Also some people get a Hollywood mind-set on things such as the power of really smart chess players to think ahead by 20 or even 50 moves, and maybe some people really do have "photographic memories" where they see something once out of the corner of their eye and they have it down for practical use forever (the movie "Limitless" had all of these in spades, and it just took a super noot to do them.) Real learning of hard things is usually incremental and must be accomplished over time and through frustrations. Kids are very prone to the you either get it or you don't fallacy and the ones with early success in school often fall into this trap as they are told early on how "smart" they are and not how hard they worked to reach their level of learning. The very idea that learning hard things is often frustrating and can be usually overcome by an incremental approach is a huge learning advantage. By just knowing to stick to it and using multiple approaches one stands a much better chance of becoming truly intelligent in an area.

    There are dozens of ways of looking into dispositions, but I'd like to look into a couple now that forward some of the ideas I've already tried to express on here.

    There is a disposition to think "broadly and adventurously," that's often the territory of creatives, and visionary types. Advertising people, artists of all types, and anyone who is not quite sure where the problem even is to solve or sometimes whether there even is a problem.

    Then there is the disposition to sound thinking that reaches conclusions based on logic, evidence, and etc. This is often the territory of set problems where you already know you need practical solutions to known areas, but these problems can be very complex and hard to solve. Clarity and soundness are fundamental here.

    These two dispositions are not opposites and can share some attitudes or other dispositions, yet they are different realms at the same time.

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    So how does one develop an attitude to think broadly and adventurously when needed, or soundly and clearly when called for with direct problems, and what exactly goes into creating those and other positive dispositions? And how does playfulness and humor fit in? Anyone? Anyone??? Let's just skip school and go see a parade. Ferris.
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    Ninety percent of the time "Experiential" life knowledge works just fine, and going to the parade and singing on a float is much better than going to school or strategically thinking about learning. But then there's the other 10%.

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    There is interesting stuff on strategic learning and when and how it can work, but it's too far off topic for here, and too sprawling. A great deal of strategic learning only applies after you've already learned much in a specific area through experience and study. I did notice the "experts" in these areas seldom mention the roles of playfulness and humor in learning -- I think they are very important. One book I read did talk about the importance of story telling as the passing of intelligence in group, corporate, and company settings, and I agree with that very much.

    So I intend to get very specific about my learning now and will occasionally comment on how much I think noots help.
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    got my A-tam, Sulbutiamine and rhodiola in. I took 1 pill, 750mg of the Atam with my lunch. Looks like I need fats for this and Sulb. I am going to run the Atam with my current stack for a week before I toss in Sulb and Rhodiola unless anyone thinks I should add one of them asap? I want to see how atam treats me.

    Maybe placebo but I think I am feeling the a-tam already. I feel pretty focused and got some things done. I read some people say it takes some days to build up but others say kicks in pretty fast but only lasts a few hours. Im not sure here.

    got my new scale in accurate to .01 i believe it is so can weigh much better.

    So I was taking:
    ~2 g p-tam: 1/2 in morning fasted 1/2 like 30-60 mins before lunch.
    ~750mg Chol citrate in morning fasted. I take this and the above with my preWO drink and Ive been in such a zone at the gym. lol
    15 mg vipo broken up into 2-3 times per day with meals.
    100 mcg of hup-a - from my reading I shouldnt do this all time so gonna do something like 5 days on, 2 off.
    and today added in
    750mg A-tam

    i do also take 3 g of fish oil, and im getting over 2k epa/dha, a good multi, extra C and doing 10k iu (think d is measued in IUs) of vit d per day and other 2 days I take 1k iu.

    lol hope i spelt, abbreviated those right.
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    to clairfy, Alcar is Acetyl-L-Carnitine?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
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    thx again. u guys helping me in here are a real life saver let me tell u. my son told me the other day that i seem to be a in a better mood and do more stuff now. i was pretty excited about it.


    on the alcar note, i been taking ALA and after its done id like to try alcar. seems to get a good amount of feedback.

    i also have some L-Carnitine-L-tartrate i got from a black friday sale last year.
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    I have a hit or miss relationship with ALCAR. I loved it at first, but then it just started to get me a little agitated. I've tried playing around with the dosages, but in the end, I just decided that I didn't need it. Once I stopped taking it, I honestly didn't miss it a bit.

    That being said- there are a lot of people that swear by it (I thought I was going to be one of them). Good luck with it.
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    Ordered some stuff. Theanine - going to try adding to my sleep stack. my mind wanders bad and sometimes have hard time sleeping. tyrosine - swear by this stuff as part of my preWO. Good clean energy. Ordered some alcar and some more ala. seems the 2 may work well together. Jeesh I need a spreadsheet soon to monitor all this.

    Ive taken 750 mg A-tam last 2 days. today going to 1.5g in 2 doses. i took 1 dose with my 1.25 Ptam and 750mg Choline. i did take a gram of fish oil with the a-tam. Cant say i noticed anything extra with it before working out. I am taking another g of Ptam 30 mins before lunch and will take the other 750mg with lunch. I will monitor all next week 2 before I add to stack.

    I do fasting now and normally eat around 12-7 pm but i dont follow the rules 100%. I will have a preWO, some bcaa intra, post bcaa shake. depending how u count BCAAs im going over "the rule" of 50 cals every couple hours. Ill then use a splash of milk in coffee and eat full meal at lunch. Fasting treats me well.

    I bring this up cause I am thinking of adding some coconut oil in the morning with the A-tam. I could also use the fats and reading good stuff on this oil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tjwoody View Post


    I do fasting now and normally eat around 12-7 pm but i dont follow the rules 100%. I will have a preWO, some bcaa intra, post bcaa shake. depending how u count BCAAs im going over "the rule" of 50 cals every couple hours. Ill then use a splash of milk in coffee and eat full meal at lunch. Fasting treats me well.

    I bring this up cause I am thinking of adding some coconut oil in the morning with the A-tam. I could also use the fats and reading good stuff on this oil.
    What you are referring to is called intermittent fasting.

    I'll do some further checking on this, but if BCAAs promote insulin release, then it would be better to just add extra BCAAs to your meals later.

    You've got me thinking about using intermittent fasting soon. On checking, it seems that BCAAs gives a mild insulin spike, and Leucine gives almost no insulin spike at all. I think that weight loss would not be compromised very much by using BCAAs, yet Leucine would be the way to go if you are doing it for health purposes of getting your Leptin and other hormones such as thyroid normalized. That's what I've decided to do for me when I get around to doing this fasting. I will use Leucine to "cheat" during fasting periods.

    Coconut oil and maybe some fish oil in the morning with your Atam would work too. Coconut oil is very positive and helps to keep your hormones in great order. I'm trying some Mucuna for it's L-DOPA effects pre-wokout, but just one cap. It acts pretty much like tyrosine except stronger. I'm also trying to up my magnesium levels quite a bit as that's important. I also sometimes use ALCA or ALCAR with the Arginate in my pre-workout. I got some on sale though months ago. ALCA is pricey when not at least 30% off. Swanson's had a BOGO on it a long time ago, and it has not gone on sale since.
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    I do sometimes take extra Leucine in my BCAA drink (recovery pro atm)

    I do take some extra magnesium and zinc from reading how important the 2 can be. Not a ton but maybe like 200mg of mag on top of what I get in my multi and diet.

    Yes, IF, I do that but mainly for convienence than the science behind it right now. I like when I do sit down to eat I can eat larger meals. I will say that taking the noots during the fasted period I def feel them more then when I do eat.
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    Question ...

    What about stacking two substances - specifically Aniracetam and Sulbutiamine?

    Would you have to reduce the dosages for each? Would you want to space out the dosages of each so that you don't take them simultaneously?
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    im enjoying my stack and still havent added the Sulb and Rhod to it. Gonna wait bit longer. I added focus XT alternating between .5 and 1 scoop (usually at different times of my racetams) and its working well.

    Quote Originally Posted by HondaV65 View Post
    Question ...

    What about stacking two substances - specifically Aniracetam and Sulbutiamine?

    Would you have to reduce the dosages for each? Would you want to space out the dosages of each so that you don't take them simultaneously?
    from what i am getting is to slowly play with doses starting small and only introduce one thing at a time.

    I am messing with a bunch of stuff atm just trying to build a core stack and then addons on days i need it, like classes and study sessions.
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    I think that is wise with anything. Adding too many variables makes it difficult to decipher what is working and if there is a negative, too hard to determine what to remove.
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    Not sure if its my noots stack but I seem to get very tired later afternoons, early evenings. I had to switch my workouts to after work and finding I am low on steam. Wondering if the racetams can do this since I take 1 dose at 630am and 2nd about 1130am? Come 5pmish i am pretty worn out. Think I may push the 2nd dose out to preWO with some of my extras. So 630am and 430pm. This will be better for back to school too but I think i may push that 2nd dose to about hour before class.
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    Any feedback from the Stablon user in here yet?

    I just finished a 2nd bottle of AndroDrive. I have to be honest and say it did nothing very noticeable for me at any dose. The first time I tried it, I was also taking AndroHard, a DHT prohormone. This time I tried it on it's own and honestly felt nadda.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tjwoody View Post
    Not sure if its my noots stack but I seem to get very tired later afternoons, early evenings. I had to switch my workouts to after work and finding I am low on steam. Wondering if the racetams can do this since I take 1 dose at 630am and 2nd about 1130am? Come 5pmish i am pretty worn out. Think I may push the 2nd dose out to preWO with some of my extras. So 630am and 430pm. This will be better for back to school too but I think i may push that 2nd dose to about hour before class.
    Could be. I take my rhodiola and coQ10 first thing in the morning and then drop the kids at school and head to the gym. Then I take my Ani and choline at about 9:30-10. I am ready for the second dose around 3:30 and then feel myself wind down about 8. I have tried to take the noots earlier in the day and found myself getting lazy around 6pm. I do think there is a correlation and it might be a good experiment to try it at different times.
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    Test could be the best Noot out there.
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    not sure if these are OTC SUPPLEMENTS or pharmeceutical drugs
    can someone please aware me?
    i have terrible life long anxiety and this sounds real interesting to me...
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    Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    Could be. I take my rhodiola and coQ10 first thing in the morning and then drop the kids at school and head to the gym. Then I take my Ani and choline at about 9:30-10. I am ready for the second dose around 3:30 and then feel myself wind down about 8. I have tried to take the noots earlier in the day and found myself getting lazy around 6pm. I do think there is a correlation and it might be a good experiment to try it at different times.
    today i have some stuff planned for before my workout so we will see after a couple weeks.

    thx
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    Quote Originally Posted by clayface91
    not sure if these are OTC SUPPLEMENTS or pharmeceutical drugs
    can someone please aware me?
    i have terrible life long anxiety and this sounds real interesting to me...
    OTC. Used piracetam with decent results but wasnt enough for me. Google for more info.
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    Hi everyone! I've been lurking on the site for a while, but just joined tonight. I'd really like to chat with some experienced supplement guys, because I have Piracetam and Focus XT and tried to stack it for 4 days, but I must have been doing something VERY wrong. This was several weeks ago, and I haven't taken it since. I wanted to have time to come here first and get some advice. I was taking 1 scoop of Focus XT and 3 scoops of Piracetam 3x per day. I started to feel tired, and almost completely apart from myself. I was like a zombie. Saturday was my 4th day, my in-laws were in town, and everybody kept asking me what was wrong... I just wasn't myself. We ended up coming home from our day's activities early because I "didn't feel well" (I felt fine; I just wasn't myself and I just felt so dreamy and foggy). Upon coming home, I barely got my shoes off before curling up in bed (the middle of the day on a Saturday!) and sleeping for almost 6 hours straight. The sleep was very weird, I hallucinated or had very lifelike dreams, and when I finally woke up I was soaking wet with sweat. I had to wash the sheets, I had sweat so bad. It felt like nothing I've ever experienced before (I don't do any drugs, and only a social drinker) and it scared me, so I stopped taking the Piracetam and the Focus XT until I could figure out what I did wrong. Any ideas? Thanks in advance!
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    Quote Originally Posted by funkd0c View Post
    OTC. Used piracetam with decent results but wasnt enough for me. Google for more info.
    on the fence about this too. hard to say if its doing anything. may as well finish off this jug and see if it gets any better.

    tried out some Sulbutiamine (~300mg) last night with my a-tam of 750mg. I def felt something. Bit more focused, not that I was doing anything that needed the extra focus so next time will need to take before something like watching tv. lol. i read this stuff can become addictive and screw with ya if taken to often/much? i am just going to use this as needed when school starts. Try to have a good 3-4 days off it i guess for now.
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    Anybody have any experience with Adrafinil?
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    Also I still haven't tried taking 2 caps at once which is the suggested dosing. So I'm still not sure about the product.
    Any updates on this T-Bone? If you continued trying the product, mixed it up with a stimulant (Axon perhaps?), etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by btm23 View Post
    Hi everyone! I've been lurking on the site for a while, but just joined tonight. I'd really like to chat with some experienced supplement guys, because I have Piracetam and Focus XT and tried to stack it for 4 days, but I must have been doing something VERY wrong. This was several weeks ago, and I haven't taken it since. I wanted to have time to come here first and get some advice. I was taking 1 scoop of Focus XT and 3 scoops of Piracetam 3x per day. I started to feel tired, and almost completely apart from myself. I was like a zombie. Saturday was my 4th day, my in-laws were in town, and everybody kept asking me what was wrong... I just wasn't myself. We ended up coming home from our day's activities early because I "didn't feel well" (I felt fine; I just wasn't myself and I just felt so dreamy and foggy). Upon coming home, I barely got my shoes off before curling up in bed (the middle of the day on a Saturday!) and sleeping for almost 6 hours straight. The sleep was very weird, I hallucinated or had very lifelike dreams, and when I finally woke up I was soaking wet with sweat. I had to wash the sheets, I had sweat so bad. It felt like nothing I've ever experienced before (I don't do any drugs, and only a social drinker) and it scared me, so I stopped taking the Piracetam and the Focus XT until I could figure out what I did wrong. Any ideas? Thanks in advance!
    btm,

    Piracetam effects some people the way it seems to effect you. Tiredness is not unusual. I get a very mild positive effect from pira, so it's just an add-on noot for me when I use it at all. Just try other noots one at a time to see what has positive effects for you. I haven't tried Focus XT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by prld2gr8ns View Post
    Anybody have any experience with Adrafinil?
    Have you any experience? When lurking on Longecity and other forums such as BrainMeta, it seems like most people were looking to minimize the use of these keep awake drugs such as Modafinil and Adrifinil and replace them with other supplements for mental sharpness. But I'd be interested in anyone's direct experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tuberman View Post
    Have you any experience? When lurking on Longecity and other forums such as BrainMeta, it seems like most people were looking to minimize the use of these keep awake drugs such as Modafinil and Adrifinil and replace them with other supplements for mental sharpness. But I'd be interested in anyone's direct experience.
    Nope, just asking for any feedback as I'm going to try either Adrifinil or Modafinil ( more then likely Modafinil ) in the near future. Adrifinil is pretty easy to source and isn't regulated by the FDA so it's legal. Figured I would ask. The safety aspect of them seem to be close to what we are already supplementing with via racetams and the like (from what little reading I have been doing on them). The approved use of Provigil for US fighter pilots really made me curious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by prld2gr8ns View Post
    Nope, just asking for any feedback as I'm going to try either Adrifinil or Modafinil ( more then likely Modafinil ) in the near future. Adrifinil is pretty easy to source and isn't regulated by the FDA so it's legal. Figured I would ask. The safety aspect of them seem to be close to what we are already supplementing with via racetams and the like (from what little reading I have been doing on them). The approved use of Provigil for US fighter pilots really made me curious.
    I'll probably look deeper into these on my own as I am curious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tuberman

    btm,

    Piracetam effects some people the way it seems to effect you. Tiredness is not unusual. I get a very mild positive effect from pira, so it's just an add-on noot for me when I use it at all. Just try other noots one at a time to see what has positive effects for you. I haven't tried Focus XT.
    Thanks for the tip! I wish there was a way to sample or test this stuff before buying. That was $85 worth of powder that I won't be using now... :/
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    Modafinil didn't work for me personally. I gave it a trial run. Stablon was definitely the best noot out there for me, and I've tried most of them from Cognitive Nutrition.

    Stablon + dl-phenylalanine + some PEA, worked wonders for me in the past. I'm pretty sure that's a sign that my dopamine was fairly depleted though.
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    im still playing with my stack but atm my base stack is P-tam, a-tam and some choline. Gawd I cant spell this stuff and should prob make a cheat sheet! ive also added alcar to my ala. Going to see if this will be part of my core.

    I have focus xt ive been messing with but if i take it i reduce the choline dose i take in bulk.

    when school starts i will prob be dosing my main stack at about 7am and then again around 5pm. Get me some before work and before school/study sessions.

    Should i cycle off any of the tams now and then? im doing ~2.25g p-tam, either 750mg or 1.5g of a-tam and ~750mg of choline with 500-1g of alcar and only taking 600mg of ala all normally twice per day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    Modafinil didn't work for me personally. I gave it a trial run. Stablon was definitely the best noot out there for me, and I've tried most of them from Cognitive Nutrition.

    Stablon + dl-phenylalanine + some PEA, worked wonders for me in the past. I'm pretty sure that's a sign that my dopamine was fairly depleted though.
    Did you ever try Armodafinil (Nuvigil)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    No, can't say I have
    Armodafinil contains 100% of the active isomer, were as modafinil is a mixture. Seems people respond to it better.
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    Opinions on D-Serine?

    Looking to put a stack together for some entrace exam studies and found interest in this. Looks to be about ~30 for 90g from PA's company (if I remember weight right), and same cost for 100g from a smart supplier in bulk.
    Just inject.
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    Looks pretty interesting. Seems like it's a relatively new find as well
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    Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy View Post
    Opinions on D-Serine?

    Looking to put a stack together for some entrace exam studies and found interest in this. Looks to be about ~30 for 90g from PA's company (if I remember weight right), and same cost for 100g from a smart supplier in bulk.
    What is the suggested doses on D-Seine? I may pick some up as I will order some noots soon.
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