Mind Steriods or Noots
- 06-22-2012, 08:10 PM
I can see where Ani would work well in the speaking to groups area, as the sense input flow allows you to catch subtle social nuances as they happen without effort.
And I do get a mild euphoric effect from Ani that I don't get from AndroDrive. I've seen any number of times where people will respond in the opposite or close to opposite direction that I get. Four years ago I tried some very minimal doses of SSRIs (Zoloft at it's smallest dose) to do a low carb diet, and it worked for me. I gave my brother 1/2 of this 50 mg dose, and he had severe anxiety with a racing mind and racing heart rate. I read after that this is not uncommon.
- 06-22-2012, 11:03 PM
I just started a few weeks ago. I've read that it can take up to 6 months before the benefits are noticed. I've been disappointed by Bacopa but I haven't given up. I've just about been able to do without coffee which I think has done some damage to my nerves and memory. I drank strong tall cups of Peets and Starbucks everyday for years and years and followed up with second cups of coffee or diet coke.
- 06-22-2012, 11:15 PM
06-23-2012, 05:21 PM
I'm still reading several brain science books on neuroplasticity, as that gives powerful hints about how things work.
What noots are you using now besides the Lion's Mane and Bacopa?
06-23-2012, 09:10 PM
Quick note: Started taking Noopept yesterday, and 3 doses so far. I stopped the aniracetam a couple of days before starting this. Noticeable intensity, but don't know what it does yet. Going to go after studying language as in Spanish with noots as a test and for the fun of it. Ordered a Spanish/English electronic translator I can use at work. it's pocket size. Cost me $63 with shipping.
Cannot use the office computers for internet personal use very often so this is my solution.
06-24-2012, 07:22 PM
Stopped taking the Ani and started taking the Noopept two days ago.
Started with 20mg and upped to 30mg today.
Probably too early to judge but it feels good so far. Hard to pin down the feeling but it's overall good mood with increased focus.
I started the Noot experiment with certain expectations. I was expecting something like AndroDrive. It hits you and there is a noticeable change. The Noots seem to be much more subtle.
06-24-2012, 08:04 PM
06-24-2012, 08:33 PM
I'll have to go back and check the material I read, but I believe it increases the neural growth factors as well, perhaps even more, much more than lion's mane.The growth factors are important for neural repair as well as growing new ones, and they help strengthen the Attention abilities which is critical. Attention itself is a two-way loop as the stronger attention you give to your interests, the stronger the parts of the brain dedicated to attention become. That's why the motivators say find something you really love to focus on, and catch fire. That Fire is Attention.
06-25-2012, 10:50 AM
Don't want to make this some sort of day to day log of my Noot experiments but I wanted to relate today's experience.
Woke up from 9 hours sleep with a headache and stiff neck (I never sleep 9 hours!) Thought it was going to be a wasted day. Turned on the coffee machine and while waiting for it to heat up I started feeling better, then much better, then slightly euphoric. Now after morning noots and two shots of espresso my mind is snappy and I'm smiling with a feeling of being able to get some things done. Mikey likes it!
06-25-2012, 12:26 PM
I'd be curious what role the 9 hours of sleep had to do with the added noots. I would personally not like that amount of sleep and part of what I love about Rhodiola mixed with Ani, is the ability to feel refreshed and functioning on 5-6 hours of sleep. Too much sleep and I am groggy all day and less productive.
06-25-2012, 03:20 PM
9 hours sleep could be attributed to my recovering from jet lag (I work in Africa and just arrived home on Wednesday, June 20) it takes about 1 day per hour of time difference to become acclimated to a new time zone.
A note about the noot experience. I have this feeling that my mind or head has been "opened" or cleared out. Sounds and sight are sharper. Tasks are easier. Don't have to think "do this, do that" so much. It could be summed up as "brain fog has lifted". I just cleaned out the garage. Not a speedy feeling, just more motivated to get things done. I'm really liking this.
06-25-2012, 03:59 PM
06-27-2012, 07:26 AM
06-27-2012, 08:12 AM
06-28-2012, 11:24 PM
I intend to extend a two month test to see how well I can pick up Spanish with the help of noots. The first 2 weeks I'll go back to Aniracetam, then I'll probably add some Noopept to this for the 2nd two weeks.
I'm not going to get fluent in two months, but I want to be able to communicate and even play with the words. I haven't purchased any of the major language learning programs yet and may not. I picked up a book by a former Green Beret on how to pick up languages fast. I like his ideas. I'll make lists of the most critical words and phrases to learn and practice them. I now have my translator for work. The computer translators are even better for at home. After learning 1000 or so words with some simple phrases, I'll start to add some study of grammer to refine the process. I already have "Madrigal's Magic Key to Spanish" and will pick up "Breaking Out of Beginner's Spanish," after six weeks of so to start getting rid of gringo habits in my Spanish speaking. I will likely buy a set of flash cards to help practice and a couple of kid's books written in Spanish (story books for children) to help out. There is a hoard of material available online and I will further my searches there soon. The plan of attack on this stuff is important at the beginning as too much grammar would have me looking for escapar and the door at the start. Yet words are fun.
I'll report back in two weeks and then after a month to say how I'm doing and how the ani and Noopept are doing.
06-29-2012, 09:31 AM
I am a former sys admin and now self-employed. There is less stress now than there was while being on-call 24hrs a day. Don't miss that at all.
06-29-2012, 04:32 PM
Noopept update. Really like this stuff. Clear thinking, improved memory to an extent. Not so much my short term memory but my long term is improved. Feel more comfortable in my skin if that makes sense.
Working on cleaning out some things in a spare room. I noticed my organizational skills are much better.. like when I was younger.
Side note: Tomorrow I visit Cenegenics. Spent an hour on the phone talking with one of the doctors and I was impressed with his knowledge.
07-02-2012, 08:13 PM
Just got through buying a couple of health supps from online. Decided to use a credit card that I had not used for 6 months. I did NOT pull card from wallet. I remembered the 16 digit card number plus the 3 digit code and expiration date with no problem. Study memory has improved a lot. It's not "photographic" as I still have to go over material a decent amount of times according to the amount and difficulty of material, but the sharpness of recall has improved. This is with aniracetam or Noopept, as they both work well for study memory recall. There is more focus and drive with Noopept, but not the intensity of AndroDrive and it is different than AD in a way that I haven't been able to qualify yet.
The Ani though has some of the socialization thing going for it. I use to think this was from the ability to observe nuances in social groups better, and it does do some of that. Yet it also has a direct socialization side to it that let's me enjoy the social more. I was using the ani during the credit card recall.
07-04-2012, 12:14 AM
I started with SNS Piracetam in February. I seemed to be a "responder" at first but after a few weeks the wondering effects seemed to wear off. The first couple of weeks were kind of unreal with vibrant colors, keener vision -- or perhaps my mind was more attentive - I was keenly aware of everyone's mood around me. I enjoyed being around people more - I didn't even mind waiting in line in a drug store or anything else tedious - it was all good. Over the years I've grown increasingly intolerant of crowds - not social anxiety - just boredom and fatigue.
Then the Piracetam effects seemed to diminish although I still take it. Other people kept writing to stay with it, it
takes a while but the initial effects didn't return.
I've kept up with the Piracetam. I think I do get some slightly clearer thinking, in particular insights into other people's behaviors - just some extra perspective, nothing earth shattering. I also have Sulbutiame and Aniracetam. I take them with fish oil, again, the benefits are subtle. I can tell when one of the "rams" is taking effect when I am listening to classical music in my car and the sound system sounds better than before.
I just ordered Noopept which is supposed to arrive in a week. I'm about ready to try AndroHard. It's getting to be expensive to try all these supps but anything that helps with my mental productivity is worth it in the long run.
07-05-2012, 02:02 PM
As an experiment, I decided to stop the Ani about 3 weeks ago and leave everything else the same. I really wanted to see if I had been really seeing the results that I was sure I had.
The first 2-3 days I did not really notice much, except mild brain fog, but I had not slept that well, so I attributed it to that. Customer meetings were going well and I had a 30 person presentation on our new support model, that I had no problems with. On days 4-5, I started to notice a little bit of the apprehension that I used to feel before a meeting. Slight nervousness, but more just wanting to make sure I had everything lined up in my mind correctly. The fact that I had to do this, caused a little anxiety. All went fine, but I did notice this. Come day 7-9, I started getting my anxious feeling back before executive RCAs and meetings. A feeling that I was not going to be prepared enough, not have the answers, etc. Completely back to where I was. This doesn't happen all the time- maybe 50%.
I decided to start up the 750mg Ani dose twice a day again knowing that I had a partner conference in the following days. The first 2 days back on (10 days off), I didn't notice much other than feeling quicker again with recall. On the morning of the 3rd day and a meeting lined up, I completely felt back at ease. Confident in my knowledge, articulation, and recall of the facts. I nailed the meeting and that really boosted my confidence for the next day. Once again, no anxiety at all and commanded total control of the room.
I truly feel like Ani can be a life changing supplement for people that suffer minor to medium GAD or social anxiety. I have no problem in social situations, but this has absolutely improved my career.
07-05-2012, 07:41 PM
I have very little social anxiety, in the sense that I don't notice it, although I may double check too often to see if I'm really ready. Yet when I take ani I feel even smoother and more in sink and flow with speaking and other social situations. What's amusing are the number of star athletes who are conscious of their performance rituals and how OCD they are. They don't care as it helps them cope and still perform well. Even more to the point are people in music, as they can't get away with rituals like athletes. They can but it makes their music more mechanical sounding and "too perfect." The best music people achieve a Zen mindfulness where they get past worrying about themselves or perfect music, it becomes about the emotions and feeling instilled by the music and not about them.
BTW, kisaj, I watched the movie "Limitless" -- fun movie, and will probably watch it again tomorrow before returning it.
07-06-2012, 04:19 PM
I have social anxiety pretty bad. I took Dale Carnegie's Public Speaking class a few years ago (Ok.. 15 years ago) but still get knees knocking when I have to get up in front of even a small crowd.
What are the implications of taking Ani and Noopept together??
Today I may have stumbled on something. I woke feeling like crap. 6 hours sleep, body aches and headache (DAA always gives me a headache). I thought it would be a wasted day. Had my normal 2 shots of espresso, oatmeal and toast. Was going to skip taking any noots or supplements but said what the heck so took 30mg Noopept, 500mg CDP, 1g DAA and my normal vitamins. About 30 minutes later I felt pretty good so decided to try and up the feeling with some sort of stimulant. I settled on Jack3d. Took one scoop with some BCAA powder. For the past two hours I've been going non-stop. Drastic change from how I felt upon waking.
I have noticed the same thing Tuberman. My short term memory is still not that great but my medium and long term seems much improved. Having some great dreams also.Study memory has improved a lot. It's not "photographic" as I still have to go over material a decent amount of times according to the amount and difficulty of material, but the sharpness of recall has improved. This is with aniracetam or Noopept, as they both work well for study memory recall. There is more focus and drive with Noopept, but not the intensity of AndroDrive and it is different than AD in a way that I haven't been able to qualify yet.
07-06-2012, 04:51 PM
How would a small tab of ativan work for public speaking? I also have some troubles when speaking in front of large groups, especially global webcasts with people I am not familiar with.
07-08-2012, 05:32 PM
I doubt if anyone here has tried ativan, but it's a strong anti-anxiety drug and could work for you, also beta blockers to stop adrenaline are known to work for some. But I'm not advising, as I do not know.
I received 4 days of overtime the last 3 weeks and this will give me close to $1000 extra in cash so I ordered some Stablon (6 bottles x 60) to check it out. It should get here in less than a month.
07-08-2012, 11:17 PM
07-09-2012, 06:49 AM
AndroDrive has almost no health issues and does not effect the liver or kidneys, nor does it send your cholesterol out of whack.Some BP increases, and a few get some estrogen (but far less than even BP issues), so an anti-E may be a good idea for after use. The shut down issue is what most worry about with a mild steroids of this kind, and even that is minor compared to harsh steroids -- coconut oil and some tocotrienols should stop any shut down, and take the AD all at once, once a day.
07-11-2012, 10:52 PM
The second day of AD couldn't have been more of a pleasant surprise. It was like sunshine slowly burning the morning fog in my head. As the day progressed I felt more and more focused, serene, mindful, attentive just about everything I had been hoping for. At first I thought it would work more like a pep pill and give my body energy and get all hyped up to clean and do chores but there are loads of pep supps for that.
Finding a nootropic sweet spot supp has been a challenge. Piracetam, Sulbutiam, Noopept, Aniracetam have been disappointments. I spend the $90 for a box of those yellow AD pills and I'm already sold. I picked up the Wall Street Journal and was able drill into each article without getting mentally fatigued or info-overloaded. I listened to very dense, analytical music CD discussing the hundreds of motifs in Wagner's Ring Cycle that is fascinating but again usually too much information to absorb. This time I was able to stay with it and listened to dozens and dozens of examples of motivic development without getting that lost feeling.
3 pills of AD work pretty well. After I adjust to the dose I may try more pills per day. It's not a cheap product but worth it for what I want.
By the way you mentioned using Longjack 100. I've wondered about the Tongkat Ali in it. I take it that you think it's an effective ingredient. I've research the Tongkat Ali somewhat but was never sure if it really works -- there's so many conflicting reports. I'm pretty much sold on trying it eventually, the adventure with AD is working so well.
Thanks kindly !!
07-12-2012, 07:37 AM
You get several weeks of ability to concentrate and focus much stronger than usual with AD, but not to the degree of an amphetamine like the ADD type stuff so prevalent on campus today, but close enough. On the Ritalin stuff you get short term study concentration, with frequent crashes and a heavy burn out effect. With AD you can go for weeks and most of the effects are positive, and if you take it correctly it doesn't deprive you of sleep or burn you out.
I found a place that sold LJ 100 in bulk as you need a lot to make it into a legit test booster, and I took it along with Titanium XL as this already is a decent test booster. I don't really think these are necessary, but it made a nice ending for the cycle.
Still you probably should not go more than 10-12 weeks without taking about 1.5 to 2 X that period away after, as you can't keep at it forever. AD makes a decent recomp steroid as well, you can gain a little muscle and much strength while actually leaning out some -- just some small extras.
I considered trying this the next time with the extra pregnenolone and maybe some Mucuna with a strong concentration of L-Dopa in it to see if I could get amphetamine quality concentration without the physical and mental price tag. I'm not advising anyone else to do this as I don't know what the combination effects would be like yet, and I will do some checking before trying mucuna with AD myself. This could need caution.
07-15-2012, 06:28 PM
One thing I am getting is a slight headache, although it's a little different than regular headaches, more in the frontal cortex area. The headache doesn't impair my ability to function as much as a regular headache. I'm going to try reading up on reported headaches at the PP forum. I only got this headache after increasing my AD dosage to 4 pills. At this point I cannot imagine using 6 a day.
I'm going try your recommended 3 pills of AD with the 25 mg pregnenolone instead of 4 pills of AD and monitor the difference.
07-15-2012, 08:32 PM
There are also some health/bodybuilding type supps that add huge noot abilities to things like AD, but I may carefully test them on myself before posting on here. Amazingly, some of these health supps when added to AD or even some racetams can be a little strange if you over do them. People have suggested a manic effect if overdone. If taken at a decent level they can potentate some of noots tremendously.
07-15-2012, 08:42 PM
I get the free time for my own interests but sometimes I'm living on a shoe string. It's feast or famine with contract work.
I just ran a week of AD. I didn't take any today ( sunday ) and I'm still feeling mentally buzzed from the AD. 3 pills is the limit for me. I tried upping to 4 pills ( up from 3 a day ) and it was too much although I've had a very pleasant Sunday with my frontal cortex still feeling like cylinders are firing and ( I hope ) I'm getting the benefit of neural growth and repair.
Other posts about AD have mentioned that they felt benefits from AD weeks after ending an 8 week run. So far AD is the best working noot I've tried. 6 months of Piracetam ( it worked at first ), Sulbutiame, Aniracetam ( they kind of worked in suble ways, some of the time ). I ordered Noopept but I only used it a couple of times.
AD is kind of expensive but if it continues to give me prolonged mental energy ( I don't tire out at the end of the day anymore ) I would say AD is worth it, especially since I do technical development and consulting which requires hours of study, discussion board posting and reading, white papers, tech manuals to ready, analysis and of course lots of coding and debugging and documentation and email/phone support.
If AD continues to work for me the way this first week has it would make me feel young again and have the energy to go to night school after a day of work. You probably know that feeling - once middle age hits a days work leaves you too tired out and you just want to go home and watch tv.
07-15-2012, 08:51 PM
Looking into LTP or long-term potentiation. There is a text book on Amazon that use to cost a lot but can be bought for less tan $2 new currently. It comes at neuroplasticity from multiple areas of the brain.
I'm doing what's called a Klondike Roving process where you wander around in vast territories looking for gold nuggets of info. With this process, one has some idea of what patches of territory are likely to be worthwhile, but you do not want to let hidden assumptions get in the way of the search either, so part of the "search" is to constantly review one's possible hidden assumptions to expose them and transcend them.
On the other hand if you realize an assumption is just a working model or theory than it's is just a working model that one is using for practical reasons in the present until you find a better model (if you can). I usually take my working models with an attitude that they can change with more or better information.
07-16-2012, 01:57 AM
Appreciate everyone who has shared their experience with AndroDrive.
07-16-2012, 09:28 PM
Interestingly, HGH Complete tells its customers to use it on a 5 day on, 2 day off cycle.
The other think I have to add about AD is that, if I'm not mistaken, the AD is potentiating other noots and supps that I've taken in the past with disappointing results. I'm getting a better response to Piracetam, GABA and Ribose since I started AD. Ribose in particular was a disappointment since so many reviews raved about great pep and energy from it. With me Ribose was a big zero as far as energy or anything else.
I feel like I can keep going and going, even in the evening, when my energy really starts to flag. My metabolism has changed too, food just seems to burn off quicker and I'm getting firmer and less flabby.
I'm pretty pleased to see these kinds of results after a week. I hope to continue to get benefits from the AD. I wasn't planning to make this into a supplement log but that's the way it's turning out, plus I feel more motivated to post results and get feedback from others who have used AD. Some posters have said the benefits start to diminish after the first few weeks, others say they got good results all the way through their eight week cycle and even during PCT.
07-17-2012, 01:26 AM
07-17-2012, 09:08 AM
Interested in hearing your feedback. I personally had the best results with 4-5 tabs per day. Keep in mind it's something that needs to be taken every 3-4 hours or so I think - I can't remember the time, but it's normal dose is split over ~3 dosages per day to be effective. I would normally dose something like 2-2-1.
07-17-2012, 03:11 PM
Guys,if piracetam does not work,what other racetam i need to try.I have tried from doses as low as 400 mg to as high as 5gm.However,today i added Lecithin(with 3gm piracetam) and noticed an increase in energy but no concentration boost.I want to increase my short term memory for aptitute test.
Here is my current stack
Piracetam twice a day(still experimenting with doses)
Lecithin 1 table spoon 7.5 gm
Alcar 750mg twice a day
07-17-2012, 04:24 PM
Piracetam was terrible for me. Tired, foggy, irritable, etc. Aniracetam is my go to. My power stack is:
Aniracetam 750mg twice a day
Alpha GPC 300mg twice a day
Gaia Thyroid support twice a day (LOVE ashwaganda). This replaced rhodiola for me as I found the ashwagandha to be superior to the rhodiola for energy and stress relief.
Alcar 500mg twice a day
If I have to speak in front of a large group, like I had 80 people the other day- I take 100-200mg of l-theanine and life is good.
07-17-2012, 08:04 PM
I'll probably try taking 4 at first at 2 x 2 per day. I am an excellent responder to most supps and meds, and I''d like to see how fast it fades on me after the second dose of the day. I will add either a 5th or even a 6th tab as necessary.
07-17-2012, 08:10 PM
ashwaganda that I have not opened yet, but will try it with aniracetam later. I'm experimenting with adding forskolin to aniracetam now for the cAMP effects. Forskolin seems a natural for some of these noot stacks, but may really shine with AndroDrive.
Some of the other supps I intend to try adding to noot stacks that are not noots themselves include artichoke extract and quercetin. Quercetin is also a potentiator like grapefruit juice, except it may even have stronger effects on some noots. This is a supp that one should be cautious with as quercetin can take you over the edge with some noots, according to my readings.
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